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Oatcakes
11/10/20 5:00:00 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Lol, sure. She's center left compared to Lenin

Yes, that is how political spectrums work.

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averagejoel
11/10/20 7:37:17 AM
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Arcanine2009 posted...
AOC wants green new deal, one health care plan, tuition free college, canceling student debt, ending private prisons, more gun control, social justice issues, etc. Her and Bernie Sanders are far left in the u.s.
neither of them are actually far left though. they're like, barely even on the left.

If you are talking about European standards, she is far from center and center left even.
no.

if we have a line from -10 (far left) to +10 (far right), then the farthest left mainstream US politician might be at -2. probably not even that.

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EffectAndCause
11/10/20 8:08:33 AM
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So whats considered far left in Europe? Free virgin daughters for everyone?

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Oatcakes
11/10/20 8:10:31 AM
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Actual communists. Not what Americans think communists are.

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COVxy
11/10/20 8:44:39 AM
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Placing candidates on some scale with some arbitrary reference and then expecting people to accept whatever arbitrary reference as gold standard is clearly moronic, given that half this topic is just debating how left AOC and Bernie Sanders are. Like, ultimately childish.

Why don't you just talk in reference to policy goals you like? Stop this dick measuring contest of who's the real leftist.

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Oatcakes
11/10/20 8:52:58 AM
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My dick is centre left, I'll have you know.

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averagejoel
11/10/20 8:57:26 AM
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COVxy posted...
Why don't you just talk in reference to policy goals you like?
because, despite barely scratching the surface of the "left", the politicians mentioned do want to materially improve the lives of americans. the policies they support are not defining features of socialist ideology, though they are pretty much unanimously supported by socialists

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COVxy
11/10/20 9:04:55 AM
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averagejoel posted...
because, despite barely scratching the surface of the "left", the politicians mentioned do want to materially improve the lives of americans. the policies they support are not defining features of socialist ideology, though they are pretty much unanimously supported by socialists

It's not bad to support policies that are good for people if they don't come from "leftists". This is true of people like AOC and Bernie, but also people like Biden who puts a strong emphasis on things like social programs.

Yet, this leftist vs liberal (neoliberal corporate shill) pitting seems to shift the discussion away from good policy and into the realm of a weird in group out group thing.

Things would be a lot clearer for a lot of people if we just...stopped.

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averagejoel
11/10/20 9:13:44 AM
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COVxy posted...
It's not bad to support policies that are good for people if they don't come from leftists. This is true of people like AOC and Bernie, but also people like Biden who puts a strong emphasis on things like social programs.
I never said it was bad.

but also, Biden does not put a strong emphasis on "things like social programs"

Yet, this leftist vs liberal (neoliberal corporate shill) pitting seems to shift the discussion away from good policy and into the realm of a weird in group out group thing.
I'm not "pitting" anyone against anyone, and I didn't even use the words "liberal" or "neoliberal" before this post, so I'm not sure where this complaint is coming from.

people have made several false claims in this topic; I am correcting them. that's all.

Things would be a lot clearer for a lot of people if we just...stopped.
I agree that people should stop conflating "socialism" with "capitalism with some social programs"

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COVxy
11/10/20 9:18:37 AM
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averagejoel posted...
I never said it was bad.

No, but I'm sure people would loathe to admit that they like policies that aren't being pushed by "leftists".

averagejoel posted...
but also, Biden does not put a strong emphasis on "things like social programs"

I could see how you could get that impression if you've spent exactly zero time doing any research and only passively absorbed what is being said about him.

averagejoel posted...
I'm not "pitting" anyone against anyone, and I didn't even use the words "liberal" or "neoliberal" before this post, so I'm not sure where this complaint is coming from.

It wasn't a specific reference to anything you've said, but a generalization of the behavior itt.

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The Trent
11/10/20 9:23:14 AM
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i can watch things go to shit when i'm 70 and don't need an economy or the ability to out-earn my peers

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Solid Snake07
11/10/20 11:10:53 AM
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_TrustOurAces_ posted...
Oh look, the "I'm totally progressive and not conservative" guy is posting weak bait again.


If you're dumb enough to think AOC is a moderate I don't doubt you think I'm a far right facist

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Rexdragon125
11/10/20 11:15:42 AM
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averagejoel
11/10/20 11:44:07 AM
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COVxy posted...
It wasn't a specific reference to anything you've said, but a generalization of the behavior itt.
that doesn't make it any more accurate

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COVxy
11/10/20 12:17:58 PM
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Sure, there are absolutely no issues with perceived polarization and you are correct.

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averagejoel
11/10/20 12:30:42 PM
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I'm correcting false information. nothing more. you're turning it into a much bigger problem than it needs to be

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Complete_Idi0t
11/10/20 12:32:48 PM
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But I thought Obama was the most leftist president we ever had
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TheHoldSteady
11/10/20 2:27:25 PM
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_TrustOurAces_ posted...
I'd imagine so, considering there are no far left politicians with a position of power in this country.

Teddy Roosevelt would've been considered far left for his time

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_TrustOurAces_
11/10/20 3:44:35 PM
#69:


Solid Snake07 posted...


If you're dumb enough to think AOC is a moderate I don't doubt you think I'm a far right facist


I never called her a moderate. You seriously cannot read.
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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 1:00:11 PM
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_TrustOurAces_ posted...
I never called her a moderate. You seriously cannot read

_TrustOurAces_ posted...
First off, AOC is center left.


Sure looks like you did buddy

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_TrustOurAces_
11/11/20 1:02:04 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...


Sure looks like you did buddy


First off, center left isn't a moderate.

Secondly, she's center left compared to global politics. Yes, in America she would be deemed "radical left" but that's because the entire country is centered on right wing politics.

Stop concern trolling.
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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 1:29:27 PM
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_TrustOurAces_ posted...
First off, center left isn't a moderate.

Secondly, she's center left compared to global politics. Yes, in America she would be deemed "radical left" but that's because the entire country is centered on right wing politics.

Stop concern trolling.


Center left is a moderate liberal. Joe Biden is center left. Even if you do want to play semantics and dispute that it doesn't make what you said any less rediculous

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averagejoel
11/11/20 1:55:37 PM
#73:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Center left is a moderate liberal. Joe Biden is center left. Even if you do want to play semantics and dispute that it doesn't make what you said any less rediculous
if you don't want to "play semantics", you should start using words correctly. your first two sentences are literally, factually, incorrect.

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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 2:02:06 PM
#74:


averagejoel posted...
if you don't want to "play semantics", you should start using words correctly. your first two sentences are literally, factually, incorrect.


Said the literal socialist

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averagejoel
11/11/20 2:10:13 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Said the literal socialist
irrelevant. your statements are incorrect regardless of who points it out.

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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 2:11:26 PM
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This shit reeks just as bad as the far right mouth breathers who were calling people like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham RINOs back in 2016

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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 2:17:09 PM
#77:


averagejoel posted...
irrelevant. your statements are incorrect regardless of who points it out.


Of course it's relevant. Why on earth would I let someone with extremist left views dictate where the middle lies? Lol

As I just said, you're no different than red hats calling lifelong Republicans liberals

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averagejoel
11/11/20 2:26:09 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Of course it's relevant. Why on earth would I let someone with extremist left views dictate where the middle lies? Lol
I'm not dictating where the middle lies. I'm informing you that you were incorrect.

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_TrustOurAces_
11/11/20 2:27:55 PM
#79:


Solid Snake07 posted...


Of course it's relevant. Why on earth would I let someone with extremist left views dictate where the middle lies? Lol

As I just said, you're no different than red hats calling lifelong Republicans liberals


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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 2:28:53 PM
#80:


averagejoel posted...
I'm not dictating where the middle lies. I'm informing you that you were incorrect.


Lol okay? In that case i would like to also formally inform that you're incorrect....about pretty much everything I've ever heard you say

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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 2:30:58 PM
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_TrustOurAces_ posted...
You literally have no idea what an extremist left looks like


Full blown socialism is pretty extreame. And joel is definitely all about that life comrade

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Tyranthraxus
11/11/20 2:35:20 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Center left is a moderate liberal. Joe Biden is center left. Even if you do want to play semantics and dispute that it doesn't make what you said any less rediculous

Left-of-Center (which is where AOC is) would be a pretty extreme liberal. Liberals are right wing they're just not as far right as the conservative republicans.

Actual extreme leftists would be literal Communists. The closest America has ever come to having a far left movement was occupy wall street but it went nowhere.

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_TrustOurAces_
11/11/20 2:41:00 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...


Full blown socialism is pretty extreame. And joel is definitely all about that life comrade


I've yet to see evidencs of this. All we're asking for is capitalism with social safety nets.
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COVxy
11/11/20 2:45:08 PM
#84:


It is I, The One True Leftist. Only I am able to guide us into the promised land of the most spicy takes on twitter and zero change in legislation.

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_TrustOurAces_
11/11/20 2:46:13 PM
#85:


COVxy posted...
It is I, The One True Leftist. Only I am able to guide us into the promised land of the most spicy takes on twitter and zero change in legislation.


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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 3:03:28 PM
#86:


_TrustOurAces_ posted...
I've yet to see evidencs of this. All we're asking for is capitalism with social safety nets.


He pretty much openly acknowledged it like 10 posts back

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_TrustOurAces_
11/11/20 3:07:48 PM
#87:


Solid Snake07 posted...


He pretty much openly acknowledged it like 10 posts back


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averagejoel
11/11/20 3:10:46 PM
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_TrustOurAces_ posted...
????
FYI I am an actual socialist. but as I said, it's irrelevant and he's still wrong.

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averagejoel
11/11/20 3:26:04 PM
#89:


COVxy posted...
It is I, The One True Leftist. Only I am able to guide us into the promised land of the most spicy takes on twitter and zero change in legislation.
I have never said anything even remotely close to this, so kindly shut the fuck up unless you actually have something to say

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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 3:37:15 PM
#90:


averagejoel posted...
FYI I am an actual socialist. but as I said, it's irrelevant and he's still wrong.


It's definitly is relevant and pretty clear proof that I am not.

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IfGodCouldDie
11/11/20 11:06:11 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
It's definitly is relevant and pretty clear proof that I am not.
Are you under the impression that people cannot view the world objectively?

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Solid Snake07
11/11/20 11:10:40 PM
#92:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Are you under the impression that people cannot view the world objectively?


People? Sure. Joel? Lol, hell no

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averagejoel
11/12/20 12:03:44 AM
#93:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Are you under the impression that people cannot view the world objectively?
it's literally impossible for anyone to view the world objectively, since everything they see is filtered through their point of view

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BudDupree48
11/12/20 12:04:00 AM
#94:


averagejoel posted...
it's literally impossible for anyone to view the world objectively, since everything they see is filtered through their point of view

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IfGodCouldDie
11/12/20 12:38:38 AM
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averagejoel posted...
it's literally impossible for anyone to view the world objectively, since everything they see is filtered through their point of view
So then how can anyone trust your point of view on this topic?

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SiO4
11/12/20 12:45:48 AM
#96:


Zikten posted...
I think once the boomers are gone, society is going to undergo a massive cultural shift. boomers have been holding us back for decades.


Kinda ironic isn't it?
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averagejoel
11/12/20 1:39:33 AM
#97:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
So then how can anyone trust your point of view on this topic?
I didn't give a point of view. I corrected false information.

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FlameTurtle
11/12/20 1:54:29 AM
#98:


averagejoel posted...
I didn't give a point of view. I corrected false information.
Have you ever successfully persuaded a single person with this I dont have opinions, I have facts tact

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IfGodCouldDie
11/12/20 2:05:07 AM
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averagejoel posted...
I didn't give a point of view. I corrected false information.
But if no person can be objective because of their point of view than your facts are just your opinion.

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IShall_Run_Amok
11/12/20 2:07:21 AM
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So i *might* get a decent president in my lifetime, but I won't live to see the office, or the garbage country itself, abolished. Oh well.

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