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Anagram 11/26/20 5:38:50 PM #1: |
My sister says ghosts aren't inherently magical, as in, ghosts can exist in a universe in which magic isn't real and don't qualify as magical creatures in the same way that wizards and vampires do. I say that ghosts are inherently magical by nature.
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redrocket 11/26/20 5:43:54 PM #2: |
I mean, you are obviously right here, at least according to our current understanding.
That said, it is possible for ghosts to exist in the world without also having wizards and vampires, but at the present they are all on the same level of magical. Ask your sister how ghosts can be explained using currently accepted scientific principles. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SovietOmega 11/26/20 6:00:06 PM #3: |
Well you see, when one parallel universe partially collides into another, but only a tiny bit and in certain ways due to quantum nonsense, ghosts start appearing. Only certain people can sense these 'ghosts' thanks to a random mutation.
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BlackMageJawa 11/26/20 6:00:25 PM #4: |
I wouldn't consider a setting that's "reality but there's ghosts" to be inherently magical. As in, if ghosts were the only sign of weirdness, I wouldn't automatically assume that there must also be harnessable magic.
Yeah, they're 'magical' in the sense that they violate real-world physics, and if there's ghosts in a setting then there's probably going to be spells and arcane relics and dark gods and whatnot, but you can definitely have a setting where ghosts exist, but 'magic' doesn't. --- The shattered stage is set and there's a role you must fulfil ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 11/26/20 6:03:22 PM #5: |
SovietOmega posted...
Well you see, when one parallel universe partially collides into another, but only a tiny bit and in certain ways due to quantum nonsense, ghosts start appearing. Only certain people can sense these 'ghosts' thanks to a random mutation."quantum" = "magic" --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Panthera 11/26/20 6:09:49 PM #6: |
Oooooo i'm a ghost!
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BetrayedTangy 11/26/20 6:24:15 PM #7: |
But if ghosts are just a natural stage in the cycle of life can they be magic?
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Anagram 11/26/20 6:26:32 PM #8: |
BetrayedTangy posted...
But if ghosts are just a natural stage in the cycle of life can they be magic?Are they a natural stage in the cycle of life? --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 11/26/20 6:29:39 PM #9: |
I think you're making the mistake of defining magic as a technique when magic is really more of a genre
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HanOfTheNekos 11/26/20 6:35:54 PM #10: |
Vampires don't have to be magical
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LeonhartFour 11/26/20 6:40:02 PM #11: |
yeah it depends on how you define "magic"
if ghosts are just the spirits of dead people and they just happen "naturally" then they aren't necessarily magical like in FFX when dead people become fiends that's not magic, that's just the cycle of life and death in that world --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Waluigi1 11/26/20 6:52:33 PM #12: |
It really depends on your definition of magic. But as a catch all, no ghosts are not magical.
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SovietOmega 11/26/20 6:54:17 PM #13: |
NFUN posted...
"quantum" = "magic"In the parlance of shysters perhaps, but if one is meticulous and rigorous enough to plausibly describe particle interactions such that a hitherto unknown effect can be discovered and the consequences explored in a scientific manner, that'd be the backbone of a solid hard sci-fi novel. --- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 11/26/20 6:55:16 PM #14: |
Clarke's Third Law eh
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NFUN 11/26/20 6:55:33 PM #15: |
SovietOmega posted...
In the parlance of shysters perhaps, but if one is meticulous and rigorous enough to plausibly describe particle interactions such that a hitherto unknown effect can be discovered and the consequences explored in a scientific manner, that'd be the backbone of a solid hard sci-fi novel.You say this like particle physics isn't also magic --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Waluigi1 11/26/20 7:00:21 PM #16: |
Magic is just science we don't understand yet.
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