Current Events > Turns out Covid was circulating globally before China even had it

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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/01/940395651/coronavirus-was-in-u-s-weeks-earlier-than-previously-known-study-says

Funny thing is in Nov 2019 I had a really bad sore throat and sinus combo.
It felt different than anything I had before. I have been thinking it was Covid and this was before the world had even heard of the disease.

before cases in China were publicly identified

You aren't illiterate - why pretend?

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I had some super horrible cough cold last christmas till early feb that i had never experienced before.
But
Nobody around me got it too, and i was hanging with a couple people who would be considered high risk.


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WingsOfGood posted...

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/01/940395651/coronavirus-was-in-u-s-weeks-earlier-than-previously-known-study-says

Funny thing is in Nov 2019 I had a really bad sore throat and sinus combo.
It felt different than anything I had before. I have been thinking it was Covid and this was before the world had even heard of the disease.

I had a a bad fever and cough in Nov too along with my family. Hoping I got immunity already.

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@Phynaster posted...

before cases in China were publicly identified

You aren't illiterate - why pretend?

Is China not part of the globe?

Guess we won't see you again ITT.

WingsOfGood posted...

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Is China not part of the globe?

Guess we won't see you again ITT.

You said "before China even had it"

That isn't what the article says.

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WingsOfGood posted...

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Is China not part of the globe?

Guess we won't see you again ITT.

"Before China even had it"...

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@Phynaster posted...

You said "before China even had it"

That isn't what the article says.

Is China not part of the globe?
Yes or no?

WingsOfGood posted...

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Is China not part of the globe?
Yes or no?

keep defending that hill TC!

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This is embarrassing

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iPhone_7 posted...

This is embarrassing

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monkmith posted...

keep defending that hill TC!

My thread title says it was circulating globally.

Unless China is not part of the globe, he has no gotcha.
Perhaps I didn't explicitly state before it was reported before China had it due to limitations on topic titles, but the meaning is clearly there to anyone who can read and comprehend that a global circulation does indeed include China.

Or is China not part of the globe?

WingsOfGood posted...

Funny thing is in Nov 2019 I had a really bad sore throat and sinus combo.

Thats not really the main symptoms of Covid....

WingsOfGood posted...

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Thats not really the main symptoms of Covid....

I had the dry cough.
Maybe fever too, it is hard to remember.

I got same thing again March 2020 and remember thinking it was just like I had in Nov.

China had it and then it started circulating globally

whether it happened in july or november doesnt change that fact

this is cringy to read lol

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Bananana posted...

China had it and then it started circulating globally

whether it happened in july or november doesnt change that fact

this is cringy to read lol

From article

The virus and the illness that it causes, COVID-19, were first identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019, but it wasn't until about Jan. 20 that the first confirmed COVID-19 case, from a traveler returning from China, was found in the U.S.

It then goes on to say virus was already circulating globally before this.
That is, before thr virus was first identified in China in Dec 2019, people in the USA already had it.

In the fall of 2019 a mysterious pneumonia-like illness worked its way through my office. I had a fever of roughly 103. A woman I worked with got to 104. Her husband caught it, he shot to 105 and had to be rushed to the ER.

I tested negative for flu and negative for strep. Still no idea wtf that was.

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Phantom36 posted...

In the fall of 2019 a mysterious pneumonia-like illness worked its way through my office. I had a fever of roughly 103. A woman I worked with got to 104. Her husband caught it, he shot to 105 and had to be rushed to the ER.

I tested negative for flu and negative for strep. Still no idea wtf that was.

China lied, people died.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html

In a report marked "internal document, please keep confidential," local health authorities in the province of Hubei, where the virus was first detected, list a total of 5,918 newly detected cases on February 10, more than double the official public number of confirmed cases, breaking down the total into a variety of subcategories. This larger figure was never fully revealed at that time, as China's accounting system seemed, in the tumult of the early weeks of the pandemic, to downplay the severity of the outbreak.

The previously undisclosed figure is among a string of revelations contained within 117 pages of leaked documents from the Hubei Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention, shared with and verified by CNN.

At the same time that the virus is believed to have first emerged, the documents show another health crisis was unfolding: Hubei was dealing with a significant influenza outbreak. It caused cases to rise to 20 times the level recorded the previous year, the documents show, placing enormous levels of additional stress on an already stretched health care system.

The influenza "epidemic," as officials noted in the document, was not only present in Wuhan in December, but was greatest in the neighboring cities of Yichang and Xianning. It remains unclear what impact or connection the influenza spike had on the Covid-19 outbreak. And while there is no suggestion in the documents the two parallel crises are linked, information regarding the magnitude of Hubei's influenza spike has still yet to be made public.

He said Chinese officials "seemed actually to minimize the impact of the epidemic at any moment in time. To include patients who were suspected of having the infection obviously would have expanded the size of outbreak and would have given, I think, a truer appreciation of the nature of the infection and its size."

Even though China has never revealed the total number of Covid-19 cases in 2019, a graph in one document appears to suggest a much higher number had been detected.

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Squall28 posted...

I had a a bad fever and cough in Nov too along with my family. Hoping I got immunity already.

Not very likely, Also its been a year so there is an appreciable chance your immunity is gone(you may or may not have some resistance still)

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WingsOfGood posted...

My thread title says it was circulating globally.

Unless China is not part of the globe, he has no gotcha.
Perhaps I didn't explicitly state before it was reported before China had it due to limitations on topic titles, but the meaning is clearly there to anyone who can read and comprehend that a global circulation does indeed include China.

Or is China not part of the globe?

So if I punched you in the face for saying dumb shit I would be punching people around the globe because you live on the globe?

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pikachupwnage posted...

Also its been a year so there is an appreciable chance your immunity is gone

have to take every precaution in avoiding getting sick or infecting others. it's not a virus to play with.
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Polar bears are found globally because the Arctic Circle is part of the globe.

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Some antibody tests show patients with COVID19 in the U.S, had it in mid Decemeber, so the theory that it came from the United States actually has merit.

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twitterfriends posted...

Some antibody tests show patients with COVID19 in the U.S, had it in mid Decemeber, so the theory that it came from the United States actually has merit.

No it doesn't.

https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html

A 55-year-old individual from Hubei province in China may have been the first person to have contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus spreading across the globe. That case dates back to Nov. 17, 2019, according to the South China Morning Post.

They found that following the Nov. 17 case, about one to five new cases were reported every day and by Dec. 15, the total infections reached 27. Daily cases seem to have increased after that, with the case count reaching 60 by Dec. 20, the SCMP reported.

On Dec. 27, Dr. Zhang Jixian, head of the respiratory department at Hubei Provincial Hospital, reported to health officials in China that a novel coronavirus was causing the disease; by that day, it had infected more than 180 individuals. (Doctors may not have been aware of all of those cases at the time, but only identified those cases after going back over the records, the Morning Post reported.)

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pikachupwnage posted...

So if I punched you in the face for saying dumb shit I would be punching people around the globe because you live on the globe?

If you said your punch was globally circulating yes.

Its always both funny and sad to watch people like TC triple down because they cant admit that they were wrong

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@sonicfan

You can posts all the articles you want but it doesn't change the fact it was one the earliest cases in the United States, Wuhan might have the "official title" of announcing the strain of virus first but that's it.

The biggest number is 270,000 deaths in America from COVID19 - everyone can see that America has the worse case, which leads me to believe it was probably originated in the United States. This is sort of the Spanish Flu where it came from Kansas but it's called the Spanish Flu because it was announced there and not the "Kansas Flu" where it originated.

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FlameTurtle posted...

Its always both funny and sad to watch people like TC triple down because they cant admit that they were wrong

TC is one of like three posters in CE that are legitimate CCP shills. He only made this topic because it spreads the conspiracy that the virus started somewhere other than China and he will say whatever he needs to say to continue that illusion.

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twitterfriends posted...

@sonicfan

You can posts all the articles you want but it doesn't change the fact it was one the earliest cases in the United States, Wuhan might have the "official title" of announcing the strain of virus first but that's it.

The biggest number is 270,000 deaths in America from COVID19 - everyone can see that America has the worse case, which leads me to believe it was probably originated in the United States. This is sort of the Spanish Flu where it came from Kansas but it's called the Spanish Flu because it was announced there and not the "Kansas Flu" where it originated.

this some Olympic level mental gymnastics fr fr

twitterfriends posted...

Deflecting to the number of cases in the US doesn't change the fact that it originated in China, and it also does nothing to justify your original claim that the conspiracy that it came from somewhere like the US has validity because someone in the US got it in mid-december.

China lied, for months, about the virus, how much it had spread, and important details surrounding it. If you want to criticize how the US has handled it go ahead, but that doesn't change where it came from and the extent to which leaked documentation shows how badly and for how long China lied about it.

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FlameTurtle posted...

Its always both funny and sad to watch people like TC triple down because they cant admit that they were wrong

The funnier thing is to be pedantic about one phrase in my thread title and not the other.

I admitted it is a paradox and I should have put reported.
But to deny that a global circulation includes China is being a hypocrite about where you are a pedant.

WingsOfGood posted...

Funny thing is in Nov 2019 I had a really bad sore throat and sinus combo.

So did I.
But dont fool yourself into thinking you had COVID.
You didnt.

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twitterfriends posted...

@sonicfan

You can posts all the articles you want but it doesn't change the fact it was one the earliest cases in the United States, Wuhan might have the "official title" of announcing the strain of virus first but that's it.

The biggest number is 270,000 deaths in America from COVID19 - everyone can see that America has the worse case, which leads me to believe it was probably originated in the United States. This is sort of the Spanish Flu where it came from Kansas but it's called the Spanish Flu because it was announced there and not the "Kansas Flu" where it originated.

Thats not how any of that works and you are just speculating.

It is up to you to have proof not us.

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The thing about all these people coming out of woodwork to say they had it months before China publicly identified it is. We have info for how contagious it is now. So lets say all these people are telling the truth. If you had it before the universal masking and treatment we have now that means your entire family had it and you might have killed your grand parents or other old people when you were around them.

Or maybe the other option you didn't have covid and just had a bad case of flu/sinus infection.

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@sonicfan

It just doesn't make sense to me. People say it came from "bat soup", bat soup meme was circulating around mid December too when the United States had it, it seem like such a coincidence to me. It's sort of like lined up when they suddenly announced people dropping dead in Wuhan and open meat markets and provide bat meat there. Bat soup is fully cooked. It was around March when I predicted the United States would have the worse cases

And here we are.

We need to figure it out because we break recorded cases daily, I don't even really care where it came from at this point we need to start saving as much lives as possible. 270,000 American deaths and COUNTING

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twitterfriends posted...

It just doesn't make sense to me

that sounds like a personal problem. We have official and leaked documents tracing the origin of the virus to china, and lots of leaked evidence that China lied about it for months. I don't really care if that makes sense to you or not, that's the truth.

So either stop spreading lies and propaganda, find a way for all the evidence that's been presented to make sense to you, or fuck off of CE. I don't care which.

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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Covid or Covid-19?

I have no idea why people like you feel the need to be this stupidly dense. With the mention of China, Wuhan, and Covid, TC is talking about something completely different from the modern pandemic that has been devastating the world for the last year. Yes. Completely unrelated! Please specify the number so we know exactly what virus you are talking about TC! Otherwise i'm so lost about what type of Covid you speak of.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

I have no idea why people like you feel the need to be this stupidly dense. With the mention of China, Wuhan, and Covid, TC is talking about something completely different from the modern pandemic that has been devastating the world for the last year. Yes. Completely unrelated! Please specify the number so we know exactly what virus you are talking about TC! Otherwise i'm so lost about what type of Covid you speak of.

Gamefaqs users love fake gotchas too much.
They all want to bandwagon and mock other users for no reason.
Guess a need to feel superiority to someone?

No it wasn't. The outbreak definitely started in China in one of the places.

iPhone_7 posted...

This is embarrassing

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TC going hard on the gaslighting over, literally, an indefensible position.

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I got a pretty bad cough in 2005. Im pretty sure that I had it then.

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

I got a pretty bad cough in 2005. Im pretty sure that I had it then.

Were you somewhere on the globe?

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WingsOfGood posted...

The funnier thing is to be pedantic about one phrase in my thread title and not the other.

I admitted it is a paradox and I should have put reported.
But to deny that a global circulation includes China is being a hypocrite about where you are a pedant.

It's not being pedantic, my man, when you specifically used exclusionary language to explicitly state China was not apart of the the initial circulation. That's not semantics either. It's not a paradox either. You said something that is by definition incorrect and misinformation, and you've since tripled down on your lie because you are legitimately too insecure to admit you're wrong. People will continue to mock you because you are demonstrating the intelligence and ego of a toddler.

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Is it wrong that it would be kinda funny if after all the anti-China sentiment it turned out Covid started in America under Donald Trump's watch?

I know that makes no sense but it would beone hell of a uno reverse card

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america will deny it just like they deny all their war crimes

this headline perfectly displays just how deep western propaganda is seeded. we are coded to believe by default that the "good guys" couldn't have been responsible. its always ironic when people meme north korean brainwashing, when its nowhere near as potent as what we're subjected to.



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