Current Events > C/D: The far left and the far right are the exact same kind of people.

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It boils down to this dumb thing where lefties want to say they're nothing like the radical left wing, but everyone right of center is an alt right death worshipper.

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Veggeta X posted...

Now you condemn these people moving forward. You disown them forever.

Wasn't this attitude decried earlier ITT as far-left cancel culture and extremism? What happened to finding common ground?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Well I disagree with your mission, so I'm going to disown you too. I am the real leftist.

This is the most leftist post that happens so many times unironically every single day

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hockeybub89 posted...

Well I disagree with your mission, so I'm going to disown you too. I am the real leftist.

That's fine but don't cry when you realize you're not the good guy you think you are, if you ever realize it.

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King_Hutton posted...

This is the most leftist post that happens so many times unironically every single day

I think that post is peak internet leftism and I say that in the most affectionate possible way

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King_Hutton posted...

Something that a ton of leftists did when Joel made the post initially, but of course thats not in your screenshots because youre trolling

I've lost track of the number of times I've addressed the post in that screenshot, but it's still being brought up over 2 years later

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Not exactly but if we are talking about cringe SJW's who used or use to use tumblr and cringe Alt Right people who use a certain imageboard they are both people who feel alienated by their communities or even left out, usually because they have poor social skills and mental health issues that are just clinging to SOMETHING.

Basically both have extreme levels of cringe.

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Sorry but we can't be on the same side at the end because your views and action are too radical for me. I'm fine with you thinking I've now become a radical centralist if that helps you sleep better.

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Sheep007 posted...

are white, single, atheist/agnostic men under the age of 40 who spend a lot of time on the internet.

This is seeming less like a "surface level" take already.

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Sheep007 posted...

I think that post is peak internet leftism and I say that in the most affectionate possible way

Agreed.

averagejoel posted...

I've lost track of the number of times I've addressed the post in that screenshot, but it's still being brought up over 2 years later

Bro youve said a lot of shitty things that deserve a lot of criticism and a lot of your defenses are pretty shitty overall. Youre very apt to write off murder.

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I think we have successfully radicalized Fake Vegy. I just don't know what you call the end result.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I think we have successfully radicalized Fake Vegy. I just don't know what you call the end result.

More trolling, Im sure of it

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King_Hutton posted...

Bro youve said a lot of shitty things that deserve a lot of criticism and a lot of your defenses are pretty shitty overall.

I disagree. but also that's not really relevant in this particular case

Youre very apt to write off murder.

this is just false

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no u

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averagejoel posted...

I disagree.

this is just false

Well yeah, youre obvious not going to agree that your stances are shitty

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CyricZ posted...

This is seeming less like a "surface level" take already.

Nothing wrong with that demographic, plus it's a pretty damn big one! It's just that they're generally privileged enough to not have life or death situations to worry about above politics, while also often lacking some sort of direction that comes from religion or being marginalised in some way. If you wanted you could narrow it down even further to straight/bi and lower-middle to middle class men, and probably a few other things. Those people don't necessarily have values in common though, which is why I would call it surface level.

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King_Hutton posted...

Well yeah, youre obvious not going to agree that your stances are shitty

it's not just that I disagree; it's that any general shittiness in my stances is irrelevant here aside from the 2 screenshotted posts

and also that one of your two sentences was outright false

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Extremism is bad whatever your ideology is.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Extremism is bad whatever your ideology is.

can you describe the logic that lead you to that conclusion?

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Not surprised that the radical far left are trying to defend the detention and enslavement of a million innnocent people.


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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Extremism is bad whatever your ideology is.

No it isn't.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Extremism is bad whatever your ideology is.

What does far left extremism in America look like to you?
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ColdOne666 posted...
Prove China is far left.

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averagejoel posted...

can you describe the logic that lead you to that conclusion?

Taking any ideology to an extreme is really bad.

Extreme Capitalism - no minimum wage, no state intervention to help less fortunate

Extreme Socialism - private ownership is fucking horrible. State ownership of all enterprise is necessary.

Extreme Feminism - men are responsible for all the bads in the world and need to be removed from all areas of control

While you can argue that taking those things to such a degree changes what the ideology is they truly believe in, it is an extreme viewpoint taking an ideology to a ridiculous extreme.

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ColdOne666 posted...

Not surprised that the radical far left are trying to defend the detention and enslavement of a million innnocent people.

"China is bad, so the left is bad. You should all be on the right. They've never dealt with really bad people."

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hockeybub89 posted...

"China is bad, so the left is bad. You should all be on the right. They've never dealt with really bad people."

lol

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Taking any ideology to an extreme is really bad.

Extreme Capitalism - no minimum wage, no state intervention to help less fortunate

Extreme Socialism - private ownership is fucking horrible. State ownership of all enterprise is necessary.

Extreme Feminism - men are responsible for all the bads in the world and need to be removed from all areas of control

While you can argue that taking those things to such a degree changes what the ideology is they truly believe in, it is an extreme viewpoint taking an ideology to a ridiculous extreme.

those are examples. but you haven't described the logic behind the idea that "Taking any ideology to an extreme is really bad" in the first place.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Taking any ideology to an extreme is really bad.

Extreme Capitalism - no minimum wage, no state intervention to help less fortunate

Extreme Socialism - private ownership is fucking horrible. State ownership of all enterprise is necessary.

Extreme Feminism - men are responsible for all the bads in the world and need to be removed from all areas of control

While you can argue that taking those things to such a degree changes what the ideology is they truly believe in, it is an extreme viewpoint taking an ideology to a ridiculous extreme.

People even just sticking to an ideology gets called extremism. Apparently the only solution to anything is to weigh all ideologies equally and make a decision that works for everyone. Nevermind that it's impossible. Unless disagreements are purely semantics, some ideologies have to lose if you want to actually run a society.

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averagejoel posted...

those are examples. but you haven't described the logic behind the idea that "Taking any ideology to an extreme is really bad" in the first place.

It limits your ability to judge situations in a logical way. Logic is all about taking in new information and coming to a conclusion based on that information. Extreme ideology leads you to basically forego gathering information and instead default to whatever the extreme ideological conclusion would be.

There is a global pandemic. That is new information that would warrant an examination of how we utilize Capitalism. An extreme capitalist would just shrug their shoulders and say free market will inevitably work.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Taking any ideology to an extreme is really bad.

Extreme Capitalism - no minimum wage, no state intervention to help less fortunate

Extreme Socialism - private ownership is fucking horrible. State ownership of all enterprise is necessary.

Extreme Feminism - men are responsible for all the bads in the world and need to be removed from all areas of control

While you can argue that taking those things to such a degree changes what the ideology is they truly believe in, it is an extreme viewpoint taking an ideology to a ridiculous extreme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0OY9680sNk

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

An extreme capitalist would just shrug their shoulders and say free market will inevitably work.

lol yeah we're living it!

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

It limits your ability to judge situations in a logical way. Logic is all about taking in new information and coming to a conclusion based on that information. Extreme ideology leads you to basically forego gathering information and instead default to whatever the extreme ideological conclusion would be.

There is a global pandemic. That is new information that would warrant an examination of how we utilize Capitalism. An extreme capitalist would just shrug their shoulders and say free market will inevitably work.

So does this pandemic prove everyone in America is an extremist?

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hockeybub89 posted...

So does this pandemic prove everyone in America is an extremist?

Not at all. The fact that hundreds of millions of people argued for a stimulus package and happily cashed those cheques from the government shows that people are OK with "government handouts" as long as it is beneficial to them.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

It limits your ability to judge situations in a logical way. Logic is all about taking in new information and coming to a conclusion based on that information. Extreme ideology leads you to basically forego gathering information and instead default to whatever the extreme ideological conclusion would be.

I'm not convinced that this is inherent to having an "extreme" ideological position

There is a global pandemic. That is new information that would warrant an examination of how we utilize Capitalism. An extreme capitalist would just shrug their shoulders and say free market will inevitably work.

well, yes. this is more or less what's happening. but I'm not convinced that the same is true of all ideologies, or even all ideologies linked to economic systems.

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averagejoel posted...

I'm not convinced that this is inherent to having an "extreme" ideological position

well, yes. this is more or less what's happening. but I'm not convinced that the same is true of all ideologies, or even all ideologies linked to economic systems.

I will pose the question to you then. Can you provide an example of taking an ideology to an extreme that has positive results?

Even something like Buddhism, when taken to an extreme, is negative.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I will pose the question to you then. Can you provide an example of taking an ideology to an extreme that has positive results?

examples are not the same thing as proof.

I don't think there's enough to prove that your point is true that's my whole point. you're the one making the argument; you are responsible for proving it.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

It limits your ability to judge situations in a logical way. Logic is all about taking in new information and coming to a conclusion based on that information. Extreme ideology leads you to basically forego gathering information and instead default to whatever the extreme ideological conclusion would be.

I have a few problems with this. Firstly, I agree that gathering information is important regardless of ideology. However, almost no source of information is free of ideology. Maths and physics are about as non-ideological as you can get, yet the leading academic theory of how the universe is constructed a couple of years ago required physicists to come up with at least 6 new dimensions. We either come up with ideology and use the science to validate it, or use new ideology to validate the science. Ideology is just the lens through which we view things and radical ideologies are necessary to push the boundaries: at the time Darwin's writings on evolution were ideologically extreme, or Galileo talking about how we orbit the sun. I think it would be naive to say that what we might now consider extreme ideologies are never going to discover a genuine truth about the universe or life as a result of their ideologies, regardless of how far we have come from the examples I gave (again, I'd point you to the literal construction of new dimensions required for string theory to even attempt to explain the universe as a modern example. Maybe it's still wrong and you could point to the ideology as part of that, but it's also pushed the boundaries of physics in a way which it wouldn't if it only accepted and considered facts it could see.)

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I will pose the question to you then. Can you provide an example of taking an ideology to an extreme that has positive results?

You still need go define 'extreme' cuz the civil rights movement was viewed as highly unpopular and extreme lmao
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Shablagoo posted...

Not really. The far left are less violent and more straightforward. The alt-right commits a lot of violence in comparison and tend to know that their rhetoric is bullshit that they simply use as a tool.

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"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

My only criticism of the far left is how unreceptive to advice and criticism and how garbage at politics they are

They're intense and extreme about shit like equality and healthcare and racial justice

whereas the far right are literally fascists

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Im glad youve enjoyed this topic @Veggeta_X :)
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the far left is awesome even when it's bad and the far right is poopoo always

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The Trent posted...

the far left is awesome even when it's bad and the far right is poopoo always

You're joking but you're not wrong lol

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the idea is to make the line blurry enough for you to all hate me

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I said it once and Ill say it again:

see

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