Current Events > Do you ever think SJW's made the Alt Right more appealing?

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Like I hate to be like "it's liberal's fault nazi's exist" but seriously though from like 2011-2017 SJW's were soooo annoying. I don't think they are as much of a thing anymore but as someone who was apart of the Occupy Movement I can honestly say SJW's ruined Occupy Wall-Street and made political science classes on a liberal arts college campus really shitty.

Am I just biased? I kinda feel like people were partly attracted to the alt right because they were the only ones standing up to the SJW nonense.

Things are wayyyyy different now, we are a year into a new decade even but does anyone have any thoughts on this?

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Not at all. Extremists are crazy no matter what and should be shamed when they make themselves apparent.

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https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1020039128291786752

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It probably just sped up the process for people who were already drifting in that direction if anything.

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Maybe, extremists push people off the fence

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No, Nazis have intentionally sought out recruitment in ways that so-called sjws do not, and they have reaped the fruits of their efforts because people have not taken the proper precautions against them.

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In the 1960s, the civil rights movement would've been considered "SJW". Making America better for all of its people is not about making white people comfortable.

"You pushed me into being a racist by calling me a racist!"
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CaptainMarvel95 posted...

In the 1960s, the civil rights movement would've been considered "SJW". Making America better for all of its people is not about making white people comfortable.

FlameTurtle posted...

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1020039128291786752

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yes they definitely made the alt-right more appealing to idiots.

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No, people are responsible for the views they hold and espouse. They fell down the rabbit hole because of the sites they frequented, the media they consumed, because of their demographics, and because they were targeted by a wide ranging movement that actively tries to suck people in.

Many others were exposed to "SJWs" and yet only a small percentage of those became alt right. That only happens when you already had trash values and thinking processes.

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Politics posted...

but seriously though from like 2011-2017 SJW's were soooo annoying.

No because the annoying SJWs of 2011-2017 was like one person being annoying and all the alt-right types just did a good job at marketing that one person as representative of "all those politics you don't like". You can still see this today, where one person complaining about something on Twitter is apparently proof that the left is somehow destroying America.

The left can't counter that because "the Left" is a cluster**** of regular people with different opinions, while conservatives are an increasing minority in the country so need to stay as unified as possible.

Fascists have always postured as "the only ones willing to put a stop to these dastardly leftists."
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legendary_zell posted...

No,

legendary_zell posted...

Many others were exposed to "SJWs" and yet only a small percentage of those became alt right.

so which one is it?

I think the existence of pretty much any fringe group on a given position will result in a certain increase people taking the extreme opposite

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If an annoyance was all it took for a person, then we should be looking less at the annoyance and more on the person.

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FlameTurtle posted...

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1020039128291786752

This you were always that way you just want to blame the left for openly being that way

Nope as the Alt-roght are just SJWs times ten. If anything they make SJWs more appealing. At least SJWs have their hearts in the right place. Even if they are misguided and annoying. They are rarely dangerous.

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creativerealms posted...

They are rarely dangerous.

They hurt my feelings on GameFAQs all the time when I don't completely align with them but no worries I would never join the alt-right.

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kirbymuncher posted...

so which one is it?

I think the existence of pretty much any fringe group on a given position will result in a certain increase people taking the extreme opposite

Those two statements were not in any way contradictory. People used that "extreme group" as a scapegoat and a shield for their beliefs. We all saw SJWs, and yet only a small group went in that direction. That's because they had flaws that were successfully exploited. They had unresolved anger, lack of belonging, frustration, etc.

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legendary_zell posted...

We all saw SJWs, and yet only a small group went in that direction. That's because they had flaws that were successfully exploited. They had unresolved anger, lack of belonging, frustration, etc.

SO MUCH FUCKING TRUTH

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legendary_zell posted...

We all saw SJWs, and yet only a small group went in that direction.

maybe I'm just misunderstanding the topic myself but I thought this was about whether we thought it might push some people in that direction, not whether everyone ends up altright because of it

if a person has some views that align with each side (not as crazy as you might think) and one side does something they believe to be extreme, unnecessary, stupid, whatever you want to call it, they'll probably gravitate toward the other side

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No. I think it's a few things:

• Its social media and the internet making radicalized opinions more acceptable,
• The degradation of common facts caused by the ease at which misinformation can spread,
• The lack of political leadership to stand up for the common good, and
• People living in their own echo chambers.

Someone not liking that a person prefers a particular pronoun doesn't make them believe that Joe Biden is a socialist or that cell phone towers are spreading a virus. It's stupidity being allowed to take over.

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kirbymuncher posted...

maybe I'm just misunderstanding the topic myself but I thought this was about whether we thought it might push some people in that direction, not whether everyone ends up altright because of it

The topic title is attempting to hold the "SJWs" accountable for those who fall alt-right. That in itself is an incorrect assumption.

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Yea. People are dumb and reactionary regardless of where the fall on the political spectrum. Pushing dumb mass over corrections like worrying about the ability of choice of a fictional nonsentian charater detracts from actual progress by making reatcionarys double down. Then they react to the reactionaries creating a negative feedback loop that bad actors can super easily take advantage of.

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CyricZ posted...

The topic title is attempting to hold the "SJWs" accountable for those who fall alt-right. That in itself is an incorrect assumption.

Well... I agree that trying to hold them accountable is sort of silly since I don't think it's a very significant cause but I also think it's probably non-zero. Although that doesn't mean they shouldn't do what they do because it makes people alt-right because that's not quite right either

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Not blaming sjw either its a weird symbiotic relationship rewarded by how social media functions. If we didnt have a weird pseudo social credit system in place it wouldnt work. Think back to the premyspace and facebook years, dumb fringe bullshit was met with people just rolling their eyes. Now not so much.

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if people online wanting you to be a decent person is enough to make you want to be an awful person you were probably an awful person to begin with

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They redefined what being on the left meant. My beliefs are still the same, but the scale changed so I'm moderate left instead of just left now.

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Southernfatman posted...

It probably just sped up the process for people who were already drifting in that direction if anything.

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Alt-righters are pretty horrible heartless people.

They cry SJWs are anti-freedom but, alt-righters truly hate any sort of free expression. They want everyone to be mindless and happy. Don't question anything, consume, CONSUME. If you try to do anything outwards they harass and threaten you till you leave. Worst part is they're everywhere online. Go look at the CB2077 and the toxic community around it. People sending death threats, rape threats and then having the nerve to say they're just.

SJWs have made people less sensitive to others problems, by crying wolf over stupid things.

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I think you are mistaking SJWs pushing people to the alt right as the Overton window being artificially adjusted by fringe online activists that gained cultural influence through social media and that had this habit of calling everybody they viewed as opposition to the "alt right."

I mean, these ideas aren't new, they were just not taken all that seriously even by the mainstream left until recently.

Also, these personality types are still around online all over, especially twitter.

"racism is bad but you guys complain too much about it. i'm gonna support the fascists instead"

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i may find SJWs annoying but its still fuck the alt-right all day everyday!!

The dipshits who go alt right would do it for any reason whatsoever. The whole SJW thing is just an excuse to rationalise their own extremism. Fuck em.

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Eliza3 posted...

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lmao


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People who say no have zero idea how ideologues spread.

It absolutely played a part.

No, anyone whose reaction to "don't be a racist, sexist, or bigoted piece of shit" is to embrace openly racist, sexist, bigoted pieces of shit was already leaning that way to begin with and would have gotten there eventually anyways.

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If you're a racist, sure.

"Wow I think this is extreme. Better go to this other extreme." That's ignorant and spiteful.

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In a way, but though confirmation bias.
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I take issue with the wording, but I'd say yeah, a little. People feel threatened by "SJWs" due to already being insecure (in their masculinity, race, religion, or any number of other things), and react to being challenged on their previously safe self-identity by throwing the toys out of the pram. I think the videos, quotes and outrage over "SJWs" that are in a ton of mass media have contributed to people gravitating towards the right simply because more people consume right-wing media than left-wing, on average.

I'd also say that people on the left are often naive and don't try to play the game when they get media opportunities. Right-wing people will often raise "concerns" or rephrase a nastier stance on the issue to make it more palatable, whereas someone on the left will just say what they think. Frankly, racism and sexism and what have you are more emotional topics for those who have suffered from them, and it makes it more possible to portray the left and particularly women as irrational or shrill or bossy, painting people on the right as the "rational" or "normal" option. It's a little depressing, because you shouldn't have to dress basic human decency up for people to agree with it, but I think we're at that stage and probably have been for a long, long time.

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Social media is what let them flourish. Before they'd be isolated communities, but not that facebook etc actively (near as much) supports them they can flock together from all corners of the world to gather and spew their hatred to each other or infest other vulnerable people.

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Yes. Of course.

Via the boomerang effect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_effect_(psychology)

creativerealms posted...

At least SJWs have their hearts in the right place.

lmfao

a person who fights for civil rights issues not because they care, but in order to boost their own ego.

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ModLogic posted...

lmfao

a person who fights for civil rights issues not because they care, but in order to boost their own ego.

Advocating for increased rights and better outcomes for marginalized people for trash reasons is objectively better than actively hindering them or supporting those that do. 100/100 times.


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