Current Events > All this outlets naming Hades GoTY 2020

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How exactly did TLoU2 take it at the game awards?

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I heard the voting was hacked, by who and what for I have no idea

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People have different opinions probably
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Hades is amazing but I don't see how a game like it can be game of the year. It's just a solid gameplay loop

isn't TLoU2 also winning GotY at a bunch of other outlets? anyway, idk what one outlet has to do with the other.

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All the GOTY candidates at TGA were worthy, except maybe Animal Crossing, but I haven't even played it.

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

How exactly did TLoU2 take it at the game awards?

Because the judges votes counted 90% while the popular vote or votes from actual gamers only counted 10%. Ghost of tsushima won the popular vote.

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Hippocrates posted...

Hades is amazing but I don't see how a game like it can be game of the year. It's just a solid gameplay loop

I love it, and it's super fun, but there's nothing that makes it groundbreaking or anything. It's really linear for a roguelike, with no path divergences.

I've not played TLoU2, but Naughty Dog's polish and attention to detail is always solid. Even most of the people who hated the plot decisions have said the gameplay and visuals are really good.

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i thought TLOU2 was pretty good but it is clearly a game designed with appeal to game journalists & the media in mind. flashy, big budget, "emotional" story, whatever. meanwhile hades is more esoteric, "game-y", etc

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Hayame Zero posted...

I love it, and it's super fun, but there's nothing that makes it groundbreaking or anything. It's really linear for a roguelike, with no path divergences.

I've not played TLoU2, but Naughty Dog's polish and attention to detail is always solid. Even most of the people who hated the plot decisions have said the gameplay and visuals are really good.

Actually the gameplay is but a slight improvement from the first game which didnt have great gameplay to begin with. The AI is still pretty poor as well.

Hades is better but Doom Eternal is the true game of 2020.

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^ I disagree.

the mechanics are a slight improvement on the original's, but the level design and enemy AI really elevate its gameplay.

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g0ldie posted...

^ I disagree.

the mechanics are a slight improvement on the original's, but the level design and enemy AI really elevate its gameplay.

Your allies will literally move around in front of enemies and be ignored :p

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true.

that's my only real gripe as far as the gameplay goes.

at least they don't run around like they did in the original while you were trying to stealth

IMO, the gameplay really shines when your character is alone.


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I'm not really sure I get why Hades is being nominated as it doesn't seem to be doing anything ground breaking for the genre. Then again roguelikes aren't usually my jam so maybe its just incredibly polished camped to other roguelikes out there.

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Jiggy101011 posted...

I'm not really sure I get why Hades is being nominated as it doesn't seem to be doing anything ground breaking for the genre. Then again roguelikes aren't usually my jam so maybe its just incredibly polished camped to other roguelikes out there.

I like it a lot but I'm not familiar with the genre so I'm not sure if anything it does that is new or revolutionary, and it does have issues that stop me from considering it an all time favorite. It does make me excited to check out Supergiants other games.

Also tbh Tlou 2 doesnt do anything groundbreaking either.

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Not surprised
the game is the standard action based RNG style game but has more focus on "just one more run"
It's not even a roguelike anyway. NetHack is a roguelike. This is just an action game. Somewhat addictive if you're easily addicted and I can see why it was pushed to be GotY since addiction based games are the style with mobile gacha being extremely popular

good for the dev for cashing into the overflooded market tho
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g0ldie posted...

true.

that's my only real gripe as far as the gameplay goes.

at least they don't run around like they did in the original while you were trying to stealth

IMO, the gameplay really shines when your character is alone.

I'm not sure if youd count this as a gameplay issue but IRS also not very well paced, and full of a lotta walking simulator type sections. Regardless I just dont see this a "great gameplay" in anyway outside the game feel aspect.

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nothanks1 posted...

Not surprised
the game is the standard action based RNG style game but has more focus on "just one more run"
It's not even a roguelike anyway. NetHack is a roguelike. This is just an action game. Somewhat addictive if you're easily addicted and I can see why it was pushed to be GotY since addiction based games are the style with mobile gacha being extremely popular

good for the dev for cashing into the overflooded market tho

I dont think it's considered a roguelike. I think it's considered a roguelite.

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As I've made clear I dont consider Tlou ii a great action game. That said I'm curious about Yakuza 7 but worried. I loved Yakuza 0, but Yakuza 0 is a turn based jrpg and while it might still have great story Jrpgs are usually brought down by poor gameplay imo.

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Ugh of course the fucking scumbag advertises it as one
Hades is a god-like rogue-like dungeon crawler that combines the best aspects of Supergiant's critically acclaimed titles, including the fast-paced action of Bastion, the rich atmosphere and depth of Transistor, and the character-driven storytelling of Pyre.

No wonder people flocked to it
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Hades has top notch art direction, sound design, music, writing, and voice acting, but really does not have enough variation in one run vs the other.

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Shadowplay posted...

Hades has top notch art direction, sound design, music, writing, and voice acting, but really does not have enough variation in one run vs the other.

Yeah I'm thinking this is my biggest issue. I dunno if that's a common issue with these kinda games.

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nothanks1 posted...

Ugh of course the fucking scumbag advertises it as one
Hades is a god-like rogue-like dungeon crawler that combines the best aspects of Supergiant's critically acclaimed titles, including the fast-paced action of Bastion, the rich atmosphere and depth of Transistor, and the character-driven storytelling of Pyre.

No wonder people flocked to it

What scumbag?

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Doom Eternal should've won it IMO, but Hades is pretty damn fun.

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Prestoff posted...

Doom Eternal should've won it IMO, but Hades is pretty damn fun.

A fellow man of taste I see :)

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

A fellow man of taste I see :)

Doom Eternal just made me realize how much I love arcade shooters like that. I'm so used to duck and cover fps or waiting in a corner to heal all my damage like CoD. But learning how to use all the weapons you have at your disposal while micro managing your ammo and health in a fast pace enviroment, I just love that high level of anxiety it gives me. My only biggest complaints are some of the "platforming" levels like the underwater garbage, but my god is it fucking fun though.

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Doom Eternal is the best power fantasy in gaming in the past 10 years at least, easily. Control is also a decent power fantasy game but Eternal makes you feel like an unstoppable meat grinder. I knew it didn't stand a chance against last of us but I really wanted it to get some recognition. Really outstanding game

IndustrialTrudg posted...

What scumbag?

Hes just mad at everything.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

Yeah I'm thinking this is my biggest issue. I dunno if that's a common issue with these kinda games.

Not really. Most rogues eventually unlock alternate stages/paths, and new final bosses.

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nothanks1 posted...

Ugh of course the fucking scumbag advertises it as one
Hades is a god-like rogue-like dungeon crawler that combines the best aspects of Supergiant's critically acclaimed titles, including the fast-paced action of Bastion, the rich atmosphere and depth of Transistor, and the character-driven storytelling of Pyre.

No wonder people flocked to it

Rogue-like, rogue-lite, few people tend to make a distinction nowadays. If anything, the lite title is usually used for games that feature some sort of character progression between runs.

Really pedantic people do like to whine about rogue-like not referring solely to turn-based games only with a certain aesthetic. I could care less.

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you can care less or care more but it's still false
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Prestoff posted...

Doom Eternal just made me realize how much I love arcade shooters like that. I'm so used to duck and cover fps or waiting in a corner to heal all my damage like CoD. But learning how to use all the weapons you have at your disposal while micro managing your ammo and health in a fast pace enviroment, I just love that high level of anxiety it gives me. My only biggest complaints are some of the "platforming" levels like the underwater garbage, but my god is it fucking fun though.

The oldschool fps genre is my jam even though I didnt grow up with them, classic shooters tend to be the genre I'm most often impressed or satisfied with.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

I like it a lot but I'm not familiar with the genre so I'm not sure if anything it does that is new or revolutionary, and it does have issues that stop me from considering it an all time favorite. It does make me excited to check out Supergiants other games.

Also tbh Tlou 2 doesnt do anything groundbreaking either.

I was talking to my brother-in-law during our Christmas get together and he said TLOU2 was his GOTY this year. I asked him why and he said he just loves Sonys cinematic games.

Mine is AC Valhalla because I dumped about 90 hours into it and thought the gameplay and open world this time around was fun. FF7R is my runner up due to the fun combat.

Some people play games for gameplay, others want a 30 hour long movie experience.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

I'm not sure if youd count this as a gameplay issue but IRS also not very well paced, and full of a lotta walking simulator type sections. Regardless I just dont see this a "great gameplay" in anyway outside the game feel aspect.

idk what you mean about IRS, but I disagree about the pacing thing - I think it's maybe an issue when you don't know where the story is going and you feel that there are some points it could have ended (at least, that's how it was for me), but after finishing the game, the length, story beats, etc. make sense.

I can see how the walking parts can be an issue to some, but since we're not privy to the character's thoughts, and there's no exposition, they're a good way of further telling the story.

and personally, I felt like it had the most satisfying stealth-action in a long time.

besides MGSV, I can't think of a game this gen that had better gameplay in that respect.

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The problem with these kinds of discussion is that everybody talks about different standards and scale, and the game they are arguing against is always held up to some impossible standards. But at the end of the day... Game Awards judges just don't... play everything lol. The nominations are always like the 3-4 games that got the most media attention with some random bone thrown to random games.

But it's just wild to me that people are saying Hades don't deserve it because it's not revolutionary etc etc? None of the games on this year's GOTY for Game Awards were revolutionary lol... Hades, however, had great storytelling that incorporated and justified the game elements, a constant drip feed of mechanics that allowed for a fluid pacing and non-stale gameplay, great original music, great visuals that required a lot more creative art direction than something like TLOU2 where there's very little left for imagination, and just a general very solid gameplay that had very little hitches or inherent design flaws. Everything has a solution, many things have different solutions, and it depended a lot on how well you've improvised along the way.

I just don't get how that's not a GOTY material over TLOU2, which didn't have great everything frankly, most especially the storytelling, which was a really barebones "put yourself in the villain's shoe" story that if you've read anything ever is pretty commonplace. If a very sizable amount of people were also offended by having read the story, then they didn't pull the storytelling off right, simple as that. If every aspect of games had like 10%, and Hades did most aspects right, and TLOU2 did a single aspect wrong, then it doesn't deserve a GOTY over Hades

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legendarylemur posted...

None of the games on this year's GOTY for Game Awards were revolutionary lol

Doom Eternal is genre-defining.

https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/

TLOU2 has won more. So makes sense it won the VGA's.

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legendarylemur posted...

If a very sizable amount of people were also offended by having read the story, then they didn't pull the storytelling off right, simple as that. If

I don't get the reasoning for this - just because people don't like a story, it doesn't mean that there's something necessarily wrong with the storytelling; there could be a number of reasons why they don't like it.

plus, a good number of detectors had already made up their minds after the spoilers came out.

not to say that there aren't people with legitimate criticisms, because you can have a legitimate criticism towards anything.

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I was this close to playing Hades, until I saw that topic that said SRW: OGs got a full fan translation. Had to jump on that, since I loved OG1 and 2 on the GBA.

IndustrialTrudg posted...

Yeah I'm thinking this is my biggest issue. I dunno if that's a common issue with these kinda games.

It somewhat is, but many other games in the genre are much more randomized or have more content. I mean, in Hades, it doesn't take very long until you've seen all the possible rooms and enemy combinations before they start repeating. Not to mention that the different boons are usually pure stat buffs rather than altering how the weapons behave altogether or the fact that only Tartarus really has more than one potential boss.

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