Current Events > One ring to rule them all... and in the darkness, rule them

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Been on a lotr kick after shadow of mordor, really want to watch the movies again. They're so good
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Try catching the extended versions.
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Bruh..... It's:
One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them; In the Land of Mordor where the shadows lie.
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harley2280 posted...

Bruh..... It's:
One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them; In the Land of Mordor where the shadows lie.

This. TC is a phony!

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LOTR hands down best movie trilogy.

Pacing is good, and there's not one single boring part.


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But also Tolkien is a terrible story teller. I respect what Lotr did for the genre, and it deserves the praise it gets, but Tolkien has no understanding of pacing, or of showing not telling. He's the absolute king of exposition dumping.

Still an incredibly talented person though.
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Watch the extended editions of TLOTR movies and The Hobbit films for more Middle Earth goodness.

If you have finished the main story of Shadow of Mordor play the dlc, and then get the sequel Shadow of War.

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There was supposed to be a scene of Sauron actually making the Ring.
https://youtu.be/sSa6SJXAV-Y?t=176

You even see, when Sauron presents the Ring in the movie itself, he's holding the dagger he stabs himself with in his left hand

The games are extremely loose with the lore, not that I'm an expert. SoW in particular really goes off the deep end in that regard, though. Still, I love it whenever I'm playing/watching something and it inspires me to get back into something else. I could use some of that now.

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I hate how they made Shelob a sexy woman in the second game, it was a really un needed addition.

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Fellowship was on TV last night. God-awful audio mixing and unintelligible dialogue.

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Lol they're on Netflix but they're literally about to be removed in 3 days. I mean, I already own the superior blu rays, but it's just nice to be able to watch movies on my phone wherever.
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My precious

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saspa posted...

Lol they're on Netflix but they're literally about to be removed in 3 days. I mean, I already own the superior blu rays, but it's just nice to be able to watch movies on my phone wherever.

theyre also on Hulu if you have that

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Strider102 posted...

My precious

Our precious
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rodu_jr posted...

There was supposed to be a scene of Sauron actually making the Ring.
https://youtu.be/sSa6SJXAV-Y?t=176

You even see, when Sauron presents the Ring in the movie itself, he's holding the dagger he stabs himself with in his left hand

So whatever was going on in shadow of mordor, that's all just fanfiction crap? Was there even a celebirimbor dude?
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Is it true that orcs used to be elves?
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saspa posted...

So whatever was going on in shadow of mordor, that's all just fanfiction crap? Was there even a celebirimbor dude?

Yeah Celebrimbor existed and forged the three Elven rings of power but not the One Ring as in the game. Talion is the one who's a creation of the devs.

Murphiroth posted...

Yeah Celebrimbor existed and forged the three Elven rings of power but not the One Ring as in the game. Talion is the one who's a creation of the devs.

I didn't know that since Gollum shows up in the game no? I thought it was all directly tied >_>

saspa posted...

So whatever was going on in shadow of mordor, that's all just fanfiction crap? Was there even a celebirimbor dude?

Also what's that storyboard from?

Celebrimbor is a real Tolkien character, but there are no such things as elven force ghosts and most of whatever else they put in that game. Yeah, it's fanfiction and not even good fanfiction. They didn't even try to fit it with the books or even the movies.

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harley2280 posted...

Bruh..... It's:
One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them; In the Land of Mordor where the shadows lie.

Filthy casuals it's: Ash nazg durbatulk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakutulk,agh burzum-ishi krimpatul

/sarcasm

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saspa posted...

So whatever was going on in shadow of mordor, that's all just fanfiction crap? Was there even a celebirimbor dude?

Also what's that storyboard from?

It's from the Fellowship Extended Edition.

Celebrimbor was in the books, his kingdom was outside the West gates of Moria. He forged the three Elven Rings, His kingdom was sacked by Sauron, and was tortured to death after he was captured. Shot with arrows, he was hung from a pole and used as a standard

Murphiroth posted...

Yeah Celebrimbor existed and forged the three Elven rings of power but not the One Ring as in the game. Talion is the one who's a creation of the devs.

I assumed talion was sort of like the "aragorn" that they wanted, a lone ranger hero that everyone looks to.

In the movie they said that sauron forged all the rings and gave them as gifts to dwarves and elves and men.

There wasn't a civil war between celebi and sauron though right. Also shadow of mordor and war show sauron's human form (or I guess elf form?) but we never got to see that in the movie. Not even in the ultimate bluray editions.
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No they didn't show Sauron's human form in the movies outside the prologue, but in the books he took a physical form again

Sauron does take on an elf form in the lore, calling himself Annatar (lord of gifts) and manipulated the smiths of Eregion into making rings while he himself forged the One Ring in secret and also put a secret binding magic into the others.

Celebrimbor doesn't trust him from the jump and ends up making the three Elven Rings in secret. Sauron finds out, attacks Eregion, then captures, tortures, and eventually kills Celebrimbor.

Seitar posted...

harley2280 posted...

Bruh..... It's:
One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them; In the Land of Mordor where the shadows lie.

Filthy casuals it's: Ash nazg durbatulk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakutulk,agh burzum-ishi krimpatul

/sarcasm

Sorry I don't speak Orcish.
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Murphiroth posted...

Sauron does take on an elf form in the lore, calling himself Annatar (lord of gifts) and manipulated the smiths of Eregion into making rings while he himself forged the One Ring in secret and also put a secret binding magic into the others.

Celebrimbor doesn't trust him from the jump and ends up making the three Elven Rings in secret. Sauron finds out, attacks Eregion, then captures, tortures, and eventually kills Celebrimbor.

If he can personally make rings himself why he need others to make rings?
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harley2280 posted...

Sorry I don't speak Orcish.

Black Speach

rodu_jr posted...

Black Speach

Fun thing about Gamefaqs, it's called Black Spe ech (minus the space) but the site's swear filter thinks it means shit.

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rodu_jr posted...

harley2280 posted...

Sorry I don't speak Orcish.

Black Speach

I probably should have added the /s. I was making a joke off his calling me casual joke.
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Another little thing, they cut all of Gil Galad, save for a second or two of shaky cam footage.

rodu_jr posted...

Another little thing, they cut all of Gil Galad, save for a second or two of shaky cam footage.
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Such a shame. Also they apparently filmed his death scene, but it was all cut. I think the actor who played Gilgalad confirmed this at a comic con or something years ago.
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Was he in the blu rays? I bought them years ago but I can't remember if they had deleted scenes. I feel like they didn't. Like they still didn't release all of the footage they filmed after all this time.
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saspa posted...

Was he in the blu rays? I bought them years ago but I can't remember if they had deleted scenes. I feel like they didn't. Like they still didn't release all of the footage they filmed after all this time.

no just the one or two seconds of screen time

harley2280 posted...

But also Tolkien is a terrible story teller. I respect what Lotr did for the genre, and it deserves the praise it gets, but Tolkien has no understanding of pacing, or of showing not telling. He's the absolute king of exposition dumping.

Still an incredibly talented person though.

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saspa posted...

Is it true that orcs used to be elves?

Yes. So way back in the first age there was a dude named Morgoth. He was so powerful that Sauron was only a Lieutenant of his. Without getting into a bunch of LOTR terminology that I would then have to explain, Morgoth was a god (who had been named Melkor) who was cast out from the place where the gods dwelled because he was evil and tried to taint all of their creation to his own whims. Morgoth could not create anything with his powers, only twist and pervert things that were already created, so when he needed servants he captured some elves before the rest of the gods knew they had arrived in the world, and tortured and corrupted them, turning them into orcs.

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Now that sounds like an interesting prequel idea compared to those hobbit movies. I think I'd watch movies about the age during that dude.
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saspa posted...

Now that sounds like an interesting prequel idea compared to those hobbit movies. I think I'd watch movies about the age during that dude.

To do it justice, it would need to be multiple movies. The Silmarillion, if they can even get it's rights, reads like a history book, and spans millennia

saspa posted...

Now that sounds like an interesting prequel idea compared to those hobbit movies. I think I'd watch movies about the age during that dude.

The hobbit should have been one movie. Stretching out a 300 page novella that is basically a children's story into three movies was just a stupid idea.

However I do feel like the metaphysics and lore of Lotr is super cool.
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two movies could have worked

LOTR really are the best movies. Nothing will ever top these.

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rodu_jr posted...

two movies could have worked

Yep, two Hobbit movies would have been perfect. Could have kept in all of the important story pieces while trimming the nonsense and filler, which probably equaled up to almost a whole movie's worth.
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Yeah I think everyone felt the same way. I personally still remember when guillermo del toro was signed on to do a two-parter movie for the hobbits and I was interested in seeing how his signature style would compare with lotr universe.
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rodu_jr posted...

two movies could have worked

I'd say even that is pushing it. The biggest issue is they tried to make The Hobbit feel like the Lotr movies, and that doesn't really work. While it is a prequel and sets up the events it has much less of a high fantasy feeling to it, and feels more like a fairy tale.

The old Rankin Bass animated version of it is a much better adaptation.
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Pandamonic posted...

LOTR really are the best movies. Nothing will ever top these.

Agreed 100%. Over the past 17 years, I have not managed to witness another movie that gave me the feelings I had when I witnessed The Ride of the Rohirrim and Pelennor Fields for the first time in theater. Just one continuous lump in my throat for the entire hour finale of that movie.

You have Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh to thank for successfully storyboarding an unfilmable book series, and Howard Shore for his remarkable score.
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Is the book even really a prequel that sets up the trilogy? I thought the complaint was that the prequel movies desperately tried to set it up so that the events of the hobbit lead to lotr, and like most prequels it was blah.

From what I was told, the hobbit was always a children's book and it was only later that the author conceived of lotr and decided to tie in some elements from the hobbit, namely the protagonist bilbo and the ring being the one ring.
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Demigod_Elessar posted...

Pandamonic posted...

LOTR really are the best movies. Nothing will ever top these.

Agreed 100%. Over the past 17 years, I have not managed to witness another movie that gave me the feelings I had when I witnessed The Ride of the Rohirrim and Pelennor Fields for the first time. Just one continuous lump in my throat for the entire hour finale of that movie.

You would get along excellent with my college roommate. He used to watch through the whole damn trilogy like once a month.
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saspa posted...

Is the book even really a prequel that sets up the trilogy? I thought the complaint was that the prequel movies desperately tried to set it up so that the events of the hobbit lead to lotr, and like most prequels it was blah.

From what I was told, the hobbit was always a children's book and it was only later that the author conceived of lotr and decided to tie in some elements from the hobbit, namely the protagonist bilbo and the ring being the one ring.

It's very much a children's story. The version that is sold these days is a revised version if the original which sets it up as a prequel.

If I remember correctly the ring was originally just a magic ring with absolutely nothing special about it.
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saspa posted...

Is the book even really a prequel that sets up the trilogy? I thought the complaint was that the prequel movies desperately tried to set it up so that the events of the hobbit lead to lotr, and like most prequels it was blah.

From what I was told, the hobbit was always a children's book and it was only later that the author conceived of lotr and decided to tie in some elements from the hobbit, namely the protagonist bilbo and the ring being the one ring.

Basically, yes. The only major things that carry over from the Hobbit into LOTR are Gandalf, Bilbo, and the Ring. They name dropped and referenced so many things in the movies just to tie it in more with the LOTR movies. A lot of it was unecessary pandering.
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