Current Events > Louisiana congressman-elect dies of Covid

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Tyranthraxus posted...

It's pretty astonishing how completely irresponsible the "party of personal responsibility" has been this year.

They dont think that the rules to apply to them

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I'm tired of this idea that people are criticizing him for a mere "difference of opinion" like it's the difference between preferring Pepsi or Coke. Political views and policy stances matter. They matter a whole hell of a lot. They are the difference between life and death, prosperity and poverty for a lot of people.

This guy wasn't a rando on Reddit saying he liked guns. He was an elected official for the party that is blocking Covid relief, blocked Covid response, and turned all anti-pandemic measures into a culture war issue. This lead to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands and poverty for millions of others. Because of that difference of opinion.

If we don't judge people on what they want to happen in society and what they publicly advocate for, what should we be judging them on?

This person didn't deserve to die, his young children and his wife shouldn't have to bear losing him, but his political stances and his political party have subjected countless Americans to that very fate and no one should apologize for recognizing that when it happens to him.

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kingdrake2 posted...

condolences for his loss then. not so much if it's one of those anti-masker/hoaxer types.

He was an 'I guess we just have to live with it' type of denier.

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https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1314247318372257792?s=20

Oh yes. Such a good guy choosing economy over lives

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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...

The political alignment associated with pushing against things that would keep people from dying in a pandemic*

That's a weak argument though. You can always twist things to make anyone who disagrees with you out to be an extreme malevolent force.

"Socialism is where everyone is equal, and all needs are met, so anyone who opposes it is actively trying to kill people or make people impoverish."

FortuneCookie posted...

That's a weak argument though. You can always twist things to make anyone who disagrees with you out to be an extreme malevolent force.

"Socialism is where everyone is equal, and all needs are met, so anyone who opposes it is actively trying to kill people or make people impoverish."

The Republican party is literally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of citizens and is currently blocking a relief bill while millions of citizens are homeless in the middle of a pandemic

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Ah,

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scar the 1 posted...

The Republican party is literally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of citizens and is currently blocking a relief bill while millions of citizens are homeless in the middle of a pandemic

This.

Also, we aren't talking about some extremely nuanced tax policy here. We are talking about a party whose leader asked if we could look into bleaching our fucking lungs and who got caught red handed LYING about the pandemic.


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Blue_Inigo posted...

https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1314247318372257792?s=20

Oh yes. Such a good guy choosing economy over lives

You do realize that if people can't work, they don't get paid and if they don't have money they can't buy food that is necessary to live, right?

Stop acting like its a binary situation where its all for or all against. No, there is a middle ground here that needs to be explored. And you need to understand that people that think different than you aren't evil and they don't deserve to die. That is a dangerous thought process.

if saying businesses need to reopen was the only 'bad' thing he did you can't really get mad at him for that. was he an anti-masker?

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OUisforT3rds posted...

You do realize that if people can't work, they don't get paid and if they don't have money they can't buy food that is necessary to live, right?

Stop acting like its a binary situation where its all for or all against. No, there is a middle ground here that needs to be explored. And you need to understand that people that think different than you aren't evil and they don't deserve to die. That is a dangerous thought process.

That's what the fucking government is supposed to help with. For fucks sake. Like god fucking damn it, if you had just shut the fuck down and provided people who were effected negativity with the resources to "buy food that is necessary to live" then it wouldn't be the fucking mess it is. For fucks sake.

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No underlying conditions. Hopefully this will be a wakeup call for all the downplayers. Economies come back. People don't.

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pogo_rabid posted...

Think of all the parentless kids that are a direct result of him and his party's stance on covid.

That's sad too. It's okay to be sad for all kids who lost their parents, even the ones whose parents were Republican.

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legendary_zell posted...

I'm tired of this idea that people are criticizing him for a mere "difference of opinion" like it's the difference between preferring Pepsi or Coke. Political views and policy stances matter. They matter a whole hell of a lot. They are the difference between life and death, prosperity and poverty for a lot of people.

This guy wasn't a rando on Reddit saying he liked guns. He was an elected official for the party that is blocking Covid relief, blocked Covid response, and turned all anti-pandemic measures into a culture war issue. This lead to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands and poverty for millions of others. Because of that difference of opinion.

If we don't judge people on what they want to happen in society and what they publicly advocate for, what should we be judging them on?

This person didn't deserve to die, his young children and his wife shouldn't have to bear losing him, but his political stances and his political party have subjected countless Americans to that very fate and no one should apologize for recognizing that when it happens to him.

This so hard.

I feel for his family and dont wish that upon anyone. But its hard to feel any sympathy for someone who is part of the problem.
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OUisforT3rds posted...

You do realize that if people can't work, they don't get paid and if they don't have money they can't buy food that is necessary to live, right?

Stop acting like its a binary situation where its all for or all against. No, there is a middle ground here that needs to be explored. And you need to understand that people that think different than you aren't evil and they don't deserve to die. That is a dangerous thought process.

13 year old account with <2 years of karma. Whos alt.
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3PiesAndAFork posted...

That's what the fucking government is supposed to help with. For fucks sake. Like god fucking damn it, if you had just shut the fuck down and provided people who were effected negativity with the resources to "buy food that is necessary to live" then it wouldn't be the fucking mess it is. For fucks sake.

Americans would not stay home even if the government gave money.

3PiesAndAFork posted...

That's what the fucking government is supposed to help with. For fucks sake. Like god fucking damn it, if you had just shut the fuck down and provided people who were effected negativity with the resources to "buy food that is necessary to live" then it wouldn't be the fucking mess it is. For fucks sake.

Oh wow. That's a cringeworthy response...

You're not effectively shutting down if grocery stores and factories that distribute food are still open. Youre actually creating these centers where everybody is packing into a single store because they're not able to spread out. And you're actually destroying smaller family owned stores and farmers markets and empowering big box super corporations and other companies like Amazon that are getting super wealthy while their employees have to survive on food stamps and medicaid.

If grocery stores are closed, and the production centers are closed, all the money in the world won't guarantee you food. You have to understand that the economy isn't just all money, it necessary to our survival in a world where everyone isn't a farmer.

Not sure who is saying that essential services like grocery stores should shut down

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OUisforT3rds posted...

Oh wow. That's a cringeworthy response...

You're not effectively shutting down if grocery stores and factories that distribute food are still open. Youre actually creating these centers where everybody is packing into a single store because they're not able to spread out. And you're actually destroying smaller family owned stores and farmers markets and empowering big box super corporations and other companies like Amazon that are getting super wealthy while their employees have to survive on food stamps and medicaid.

If grocery stores are closed, and the production centers are closed, all the money in the world won't guarantee you food. You have to understand that the economy isn't just all money, it necessary to our survival in a world where everyone isn't a farmer.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

13 year old account with <2 years of karma. Whos alt.

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FortuneCookie posted...

That's a weak argument though. You can always twist things to make anyone who disagrees with you out to be an extreme malevolent force.

"Socialism is where everyone is equal, and all needs are met, so anyone who opposes it is actively trying to kill people or make people impoverish."

This is a sad and pathetic way to downplay the very real things that Republicans have done to increase the death count due to covid.

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The right are doing that thing again where they act like they're a bunch of calm, rational angels while those no good big meanie liberals/leftists are the crazy ones who just can't accept a "difference in opinion".

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

13 year old account with <2 years of karma. Whos alt.

Not all of us live and breathe gamefaqs.

tote_all posted...

I used to actually believe the left was the tolerant side. I was an idiot.

*Captain America punching Red Skull*

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Someone was naughty and had to break an alt out of storage
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scar the 1 posted...

Not sure who is saying that essential services like grocery stores should shut down

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ErnstSBlofeld posted...

The right are doing that thing again where they act like they're a bunch of calm, rational angels while those no good big meanie liberals/leftists are the crazy ones who just can't accept a "difference in opinion".

If you're acting like every republican is the evil and deserves to die because they think different from you(which is heavily implied by several posters in this thread), you literally cannot accept a difference in opinion.

scar the 1 posted...

Not sure who is saying that essential services like grocery stores should shut down

I was making the point because the only way a shutdown would be effective the way you think it would.

I'm not saying we should do that but im explains why a half assed shut down hasn't worked despite being in effect for months now.

OUisforT3rds posted...

you literally cannot accept a difference in opinion.

You make it sound like it's a horribly bad trait to not be able to accept a "difference in opinion" that results in hundreds of thousands of deaths

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

13 year old account with <2 years of karma. Whos alt.

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OUisforT3rds posted...

If you're acting like every republican is the evil and deserves to die because they think different from you(which is heavily implied by several posters in this thread), you literally cannot accept a difference in opinion.

If you support or are part of a group that politicizes a pandemic causes many people to get hurt or killed and supports things like corporations having a ton of power, corruption and cronyism in government, police abusing/murdering citizens, war for profit and the military industrial complex, private prisons for profit, putting people in concentration camps, mistreating minorities, etc., then what are you? It also goes beyond difference of opinion. Sadly not even the mods here know that and you can be suspended for pointing these things out.

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Lol, stay mad alt-right snowflakes.
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ErnstSBlofeld posted...

If you support or are part of a group that politicizes a pandemic causes many people to get hurt or killed and supports things like corporations having a ton of power, corruption and cronyism in government, police abusing/murdering citizens, war for profit and the military industrial complex, private prisons for profit, putting people in concentration camps, mistreating minorities, etc., then what are you? It also goes beyond difference of opinion. Sadly not even the mods here know that and you can be suspended for pointing these things out.

Yeah, democrats are weird sometimes

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tote_all posted...

Were now at a place if we do not open our economy were in real danger

Imagine thinking this is wrong. Imagine thinking resources magically generate. Imagine fucking thinking someone deserved to die because they said this.

I'm a leftist and a public healthcare worker and I'm fucking embarrassed and pissed off that there's so many stupid, evil people who also call themselves leftists.

It is horrifying

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Yeah, democrats are weird sometimes

I know you're trying to be cute and all, but I hate the Democrats too. Republicans are still objectively worse.

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The economy is currently open. Pretending that open the economy doesnt mean open up businesses regardless of their danger then you havent been paying attention.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

*Captain America punching Red Skull*

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scar the 1 posted...

The Republican party is literally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of citizens and is currently blocking a relief bill while millions of citizens are homeless in the middle of a pandemic

If all conservatives were like Trump, I would be in favor of going to war with them and refusing to take prisoners. He's a dumb ass who enjoys power at all cost to others. He knew people would commit suicide when he said to inject bleach and he said it anyway. As far as talking about the economic responsibilities of who could've saved who, I'd say there's plenty of bloods on the hands of both parties. That argument doesn't fly with me. Anyone could've done more to save more lives. Democrats could've compromised to save lives. There's been a lot of bickering and self-serving on both sides.

So, no. Alignment alone isn't enough of an argument for me.

Stewman_Magoo posted...

He was an 'I guess we just have to live with it' type of denier.

That sucks.

As someone who is currently recovering from Covid-19, I still wouldn't wish this on someone I disliked. I want to punch the next person I see not wearing a mask -- I won't -- but I don't delight in the virus taking anyone.

FortuneCookie posted...

As far as talking about the economic responsibilities of who could've saved who, I'd say there's plenty of bloods on the hands of both parties. That argument doesn't fly with me. Anyone could've done more to save more lives. Democrats could've compromised to save lives. There's been a lot of bickering and self-serving on both sides.

You're absolutely right, there's blood on the hands of Dems as well. I don't see how that absolves Republicans though

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Meh, Its hard to feel bad for pos politicians.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Democrats could've compromised

On what? What's your proposed compromise?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

LOL haven't seen that one yet.

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i really got modded for calling out the people who were saying they were glad...

the new mods aren't impressing me

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