Current Events > Straight white male Abraham Lincoln deemed not woke enough for San Fran school

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"A San Francisco district is planning to rename a school named after Abraham Lincoln because the former president did not demonstrate that 'black lives mattered to him'.

The president, who is often held up as an American hero for abolishing slavery, is just one of 44 historical figures soon to have their names scratched off schools within the San Francisco Unified School District.

Other names include George Washington, Herbert Hoover and Senator Dianne Feinstein, whose name will be stripped from the Dianne Feinstein Elementary School for allowing the Confederate flag to fly outside City Hall back in 1984 when she was mayor.

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The district's renaming committee decided Lincoln is not worthy of keeping his name on Abraham Lincoln High School because 'the majority of his policies proved to be detrimental to [Native Americans].'

'Abraham Lincoln is not seen as much of a hero at all among many American Indian Nations and Native peoples of the United States, as the majority of his policies proved to be detrimental to them,' the committee meeting notes state.

Under his watch, Indigenous peoples had much of their land taken away from them."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9055391/San-Francisco-rename-Lincoln-High-School-didnt-black-lives-mattered-him.html

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Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to.

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Jesus Fucking Christ, just let humanity end already.

Crazy.
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Wait until they find out Abe was the early 1800s equivalent of a pro wrestler, that'll loosen some sphincters.
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It was only a matter of time.

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Kinda weird how even the best whites in USA history always seem to have done some horrendous shit

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Really? The guy who freeded them, *shakes head*.

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Cheater87 posted...

Really? The guy who freeded them, *shakes head*.

sutree posted...

The district's renaming committee decided Lincoln is not worthy of keeping his name on Abraham Lincoln High School because 'the majority of his policies proved to be detrimental to [Native Americans].'

'Abraham Lincoln is not seen as much of a hero at all among many American Indian Nations and Native peoples of the United States, as the majority of his policies proved to be detrimental to them,' the committee meeting notes state.

Under his watch, Indigenous peoples had much of their land taken away from them."

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Alt-right Abe Lincoln

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Thry can do whatever they want. You cant erase history though.

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sutree posted...

You know that's a parody account, right

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hey i know that school.

yeah, there are a lot of schools there named after racists. i imagine more are coming.

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Give iconoclasts an inch they take a mile.

Time to start celebrating Columbus Day in full force.

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Norman_Smiley posted...

Give iconoclasts an inch they take a mile.

Time to start celebrating Columbus Day in full force.

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/san-francisco-lincoln-blm/

A spreadsheet compiled by the committee on schools recommended for name changes made no mention of Black lives matter. The entry for Lincoln instead exclusively pertained to the plight of Native Americans under Lincolns presidency, which included the continued, forced removal from ancestral lands and the mass execution of dozens of Dakota Sioux men in 1862.

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Do people really think Abe Lincoln signed a piece of paper and ended slavery using magic or something? The fight to abolish slavery was won on the ground. The proclamation was forced by the people, it wasnt some benevolent gesture by one mythical hero.

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Antifar posted...

You know that's a parody account, right

We're at a point where it's hard to tell sometimes >_>

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NeonOctopus posted...

We're at a point where it's hard to tell sometimes >_>

It's extremely not with this one
https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath?s=09

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Well, to be fair, slavery wasn't abolished, just narrowed in scope. So there's *technically* still time for someone to come and take credit for finishing the job. >_>

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atzmdijMfRY

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Yea "straight....."

There are theories he was gay

Zikten posted...

Yea "straight....."

There are theories he was gay

Horny Abe, Tail Splitter
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https://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and Black races, he began, going on to say that he opposed Black people having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites.



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Zikten posted...

Yea "straight....."

There are theories he was gay

I thought it was accepted he was gay just most people glossed over it
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Abraham Lincoln was still a virulent racist who didn't think black people deserved equal rights

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Eliza3 posted...

https://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and Black races, he began, going on to say that he opposed Black people having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites.

And with that, TCs manufactured narrative was destroyed irreparably.

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Antifar posted...

You know that's a parody account, right

No, I thought liberals wanted to reinstate slavery?

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Well, that's stupid.

If you're going to strip any honors from any historic figure that did something modern progressives consider questionable, you may as well just name the schools after numbers. Because there are virtually no noteworthy historic figures who don't have some mixed morality in their lives.

#18 and #26 destroyed the topic. sorry for your loss TC

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It's only a matter of time before MLK Jr is declared "not woke enough" because he cheated on his wife.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

It's only a matter of time before MLK Jr is declared "not woke enough" because he cheated on his wife.

He thought homosexuality was a choice. (And the wrong one.)

Don't worry, this narrative can go after all heroes.

I'm sure today's "woke" people tweet things that can get them canceled in 5 years for not being woke enough.

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People who hold historical figures like Lincoln to todays social standards are just the dumbest of the dumb.


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Lincoln wasn't an abolitionist, he much like most of the north, just wanted to stop the spread of slavery to the new territories.

Once the South freaked, broke free from the nation, and declared war on the United States he really had no choice.

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jpenny2 posted...

Alt-right Abe Lincoln

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I dunno, criticizing someone for contributing to genocide might be a bit fair regardless of the historical context.

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The narrative that Abraham Lincoln only freed the slaves to spite the South doesn't make sense.

For one thing, he pushed abolition through against opposition and only when the South was more or less defeated. You could say that he was wanting to kick them when they were down, but it doesn't make sense that a man would put his life on the line for spite -- especially since he was so vocal about binding the nation's wounds.

Lincoln is quoted as saying Black people and White people are not equal. If he hadn't gone on record to say that, he never would have been elected. He was a politician. He had to say what he had to say at the time. His actions prove where he stood. Did he believe in absolute racial equality? Probably not. Would have have allowed slavery to continue if it meant avoiding the Civil War? Most likely. Did he believe sincerely that slavery was something that should be ended? Absolutely. If Lincoln hadn't freed the slaves, he would not have been assassinated.

It's a poor thing to try and defame a man who died for a good cause, but that is the nature of politics. The people who want to make Lincoln a villain tend to fall into two camps: godslayers, whose only goal is to bring down the mighty, and individuals who want to you to believe that there's no such thing as a good Republican -- in this generation or any other.

FortuneCookie posted...

The narrative that Abraham Lincoln only freed the slaves to spite the South doesn't make sense.

For one thing, he pushed abolition through against opposition and only when the South was more or less defeated. You could say that he was wanting to kick them when they were down, but it doesn't make sense that a man would put his life on the line for spite -- especially since he was so vocal about binding the nation's wounds.

Lincoln is quoted as saying Black people and White people are not equal. If he hadn't gone on record to say that, he never would have been elected. He was a politician. He had to say what he had to say at the time. His actions prove where he stood. Did he believe in absolute racial equality? Probably not. Would have have allowed slavery to continue if it meant avoiding the Civil War? Most likely. Did he believe sincerely that slavery was something that should be ended? Absolutely. If Lincoln hadn't freed the slaves, he would not have been assassinated.

It's a poor thing to try and defame a man who died for a good cause, but that is the nature of politics. The people who want to make Lincoln a villain tend to fall into two camps: godslayers, whose only goal is to bring down the mighty, and individuals who want to you to believe that there's no such thing as a good Republican -- in this generation or any other.

Lincoln certainly deserves plenty of criticism, but yeah he did do some good. Its worth noting that he had a reparations plan (the proverbial 40 acres and a mule, basically) which probably would have helped to heal the wounds of the nation. Unfortunately, Andrew Johnson (his successor) went back on the deal like the traitor he was and gave the land to fucking Confederates.

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Shablagoo posted...

Lincoln certainly deserves plenty of criticism, but yeah he did do some good. Its worth noting that he had a reparations plan (the proverbial 40 acres and a mule, basically) which probably would have helped to heal the wounds of the nation. Unfortunately, Andrew Johnson (his successor) went back on the deal like the traitor he was and gave the land to fucking Confederates.

How many historic leaders can you think of that don't deserve some criticism?

sutree posted...

Lol, she had me going for a sec. Never heard of her before, so I wonder if shes consistently funny enough to do standup.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Lol, she had me going for a sec. Never heard of her before, so I wonder if shes consistently funny enough to do standup.

It isn't a real woman

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Lol, she had me going for a sec. Never heard of her before, so I wonder if shes consistently funny enough to do standup.

First: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titania_McGrath

She's a satirical character invented by comedian Andrew Doyle. This guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJsonPXKrMI

Second: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTbXjksvsbI

Some woman going by the character, apparently, does have a short standup bit.

yemmy posted...

It isn't a real woman

Esrac posted...

She's a satirical character invented by comedian Andrew Doyle.

Thanks for the info.


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Esrac posted...

How many historic leaders can you think of that don't deserve some criticism?

Congratulations! This historical figure is being criticized.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

It's only a matter of time before MLK Jr is declared "not woke enough" because he cheated on his wife.

My cousin hated him when he found that out years ago.

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