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Dark Young Link
01/07/21 3:10:25 PM
#251:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
So anyway to construct a coherent point instead of being glib: fuck de-escalation. You punish those who have led to this climate. Then you heal. Sweeping crimes under the rug does not work.


Yep.

We go soft, they'll just do it again. And again. And again.

Mercy is a privilege, one they should no longer be afforded.


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xp1337
01/07/21 3:11:20 PM
#252:


LordoftheMorons posted...
These dont sound like the words of a guy whos planning to let Trump off the hook imo
I mean, we all think of Garland as "the guy the GOP stole a SCOTUS seat from" but before he was seated in the DC Circuit he was prosecuting high-profile domestic terrorism cases so he's no stranger to this.

He prosecuted McVeigh and Nichols for the Oklahoma City bombing, the unabomber, and the Atalanta Olympics bombings. Pair this with Biden saying, "Don't you dare call [the rioters yesterday] protesters, they were rioters. Insurrectionists, Domestic terrorists." I think the administration's stance is pretty clear.

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CoolCly
01/07/21 3:12:41 PM
#253:


red sox 777 posted...
Yes, legislatures are the final judges of their own election returns. Their decision is final and cannot be contested. But this has been done very very rarely historically and would probably cause a system collapse if it was done more.

The Lt. Governor probably presides over the state senate in the way that the VP presides over the US Senate - but the full senate can always overrule its presiding officer.


It seems very against the vaunted philosophy of checks and balances that elected officials that hold a majority can just choose to not let the other elected officials they don't like in the door....

How did this mechanically even work anyways - which group even decides this - the prior senators that are about to be replaced (unless they were reelected) or the new group? So they can vote against allowing in their replacements? The new group wouldn't make sense since...they'd have to all be allowed in before it could happen....

This whole concept just doesn't make sense to me.

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Not_an_Owl
01/07/21 3:12:44 PM
#254:


Wanglicious posted...
besides, you've gotta ask at what point in a civil war is it a civil war. if you're gonna charge them with treason, cool. you're saying we're fully in it then. the typical line here would be once shooting starts, it's war. we gotta try to avoid that.
The shooting has already started. Four people died storming the Capital yesterday.

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Peace___Frog
01/07/21 3:13:02 PM
#255:


Dark Young Link posted...
Yep.

We go soft, they'll just do it again. And again. And again.

Mercy is a privilege, one they should no longer be afforded.
Agreed. White supremacists have gotten away with too much for far too long.

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red sox 777
01/07/21 3:16:12 PM
#256:


CoolCly posted...
It seems very against the vaunted philosophy of checks and balances that elected officials that hold a majority can just choose to not let the other elected officials they don't like in the door....

It's a check against some other entity being able to decide who sits in the legislature. For instance, if the power were up to the courts, a politicized court could fill the legislature with members of the same party.

So I guess the issue would be, what happens if two "legislatures" meet, each claiming to be the legitimate one and judging its own returns to be valid and the other one's fraudulent? Hopefully, we won't need to find out.

Edit: The new legislature decides. The old one has no power as of the expiration of their term.

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PerfectChaosZ
01/07/21 3:17:13 PM
#257:


Hey, Im from the South and I just wanted to pop in and say that after the Civil War, William Sherman went on a terror spree throughout the south to terrify them into submission by killing all the men he could find, he would kill all the livestock at farms and threw them down the water well to poison the supply, he and his men would freely rape every woman they came across, and they burned fields and crops that led to a mass starvation. Of course the confederacy were bad guys but its erroneous to say the south wasnt punished.
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Jakyl25
01/07/21 3:17:46 PM
#258:


Not_an_Owl posted...

The shooting has already started. Four people died storming the Capital yesterday.


Well, only one person was shot, and she shouldnt have been
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Wanglicious
01/07/21 3:19:13 PM
#259:


Not_an_Owl posted...
The shooting has already started. Four people died storming the Capital yesterday.

one person got shot in the 4, by secret service for entering a room.
personally i'm hoping that one doesn't count and it's not the same thing being meant there. there's no back and forth with guns there/both sides aren't armed.

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LordoftheMorons
01/07/21 3:20:36 PM
#260:


What a quote

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1347232193341513736?s=21

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NFUN
01/07/21 3:21:17 PM
#261:


https://twitter.com/Grosdoriane/status/1131996074011451392
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Reg
01/07/21 3:21:45 PM
#262:


LordoftheMorons posted...
What a quote

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1347232193341513736?s=21
N O T H U R T I N G T H E R I G H T P E O P L E
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xp1337
01/07/21 3:23:40 PM
#263:


LordoftheMorons posted...
What a quote

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1347232193341513736?s=21
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gonna hold my tongue here but i am seething

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NYT reports that Trump has discussed pardoning himself in recent weeks (unknown if he has since yesterday's insurrection.) I also feel like we knew he did this before over a year back but it's still in his head.

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Kenri
01/07/21 3:24:39 PM
#264:


NFUN posted...
https://twitter.com/Grosdoriane/status/1131996074011451392
Big history major mood

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Jakyl25
01/07/21 3:25:13 PM
#265:


Thats not even from yesterday but its evergreen
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NFUN
01/07/21 3:26:10 PM
#266:


Jakyl25 posted...
Thats not even from yesterday but its evergreen

from yesterday:
https://twitter.com/Grosdoriane/status/1346948126414925825
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xp1337
01/07/21 3:26:25 PM
#267:


NFUN posted...
https://twitter.com/Grosdoriane/status/1131996074011451392
never a good sign when you see "This is not what America is/This is not who we are" having to be said every few weeks. like you might have to consider the fact that you keep having to say it is a sign that actually yes it is.

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Peace___Frog
01/07/21 3:28:22 PM
#268:


Cue the Childish Gambino

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swordz9
01/07/21 3:29:06 PM
#269:


Wow that quote is unbelievably terrible. What a piece of shit and its sad there are so many like that in our country and even around the world :(
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Jakyl25
01/07/21 3:33:20 PM
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xp1337
01/07/21 3:34:41 PM
#271:


how is that not an onion headline

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RaidenGarai
01/07/21 3:37:22 PM
#272:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7my83/police-need-help-identifying-famous-qanon-guy-named-jake-angeli-from-arizona

LOL
I read the headline first and thought this was the Onion, like xp

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Mr Lasastryke
01/07/21 3:38:26 PM
#273:


xp1337 posted...
never a good sign when you see "This is not what America is/This is not who we are" having to be said every few weeks. like you might have to consider the fact that you keep having to say it is a sign that actually yes it is.

reminds me of corrik saying "this isn't what the republican party is" in his topic.

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xp1337
01/07/21 3:59:43 PM
#274:


https://twitter.com/SalHernandez/status/1347280431192842240

DOJ confirming that the 2 IEDs found in the capitol yesterday were real explosive devices. Investigation into who planted them still ongoing. Additionally someone they detained (almost knid of shocking given how few they actually did!) had 11 molotov cocktails.

No link atm because as you can tell by my flurrying of posting the past 36 hours (sorry if it's disjointed at times there's just so much going on all at once) but I believe I heard the one found at the RNC was fake.

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xp1337
01/07/21 4:10:45 PM
#275:


https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1347283250461483024

DOJ says "there are national security equities" in theft of records from the Capitol. I had the thought yesterday but I would not be surprised at all if you had foreign intelligence operatives planted in the mob to take advantage of the chaos with full access to the Capitol. Even if it's not the case and it's "just" that rioters by chance stole sensitive information that's still very much not good.

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htaeD
01/07/21 4:15:50 PM
#276:


And here I was thinking that the plots from Mr Robot were too crazy to be true.
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xp1337
01/07/21 4:16:58 PM
#277:


htaeD posted...
And here I was thinking that the plots from Mr Robot were too crazy to be true.
that show was too real for the world

(also the GOAT TV show imo but that's a discussion for a different topic)

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xp1337
01/07/21 4:22:03 PM
#278:


https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1347249321440391168

Given the known picks by Biden so far it is appearing extremely unlikely he will appoint any Republicans to his cabinet. The tweet thread goes on to say the discussion was real and included floating Romney as an idea but that it stopped the moment he backed Amy Coney Barrett's nomination.

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Peace___Frog
01/07/21 4:26:36 PM
#279:


xp1337 posted...
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1347283250461483024

DOJ says "there are national security equities" in theft of records from the Capitol. I had the thought yesterday but I would not be surprised at all if you had foreign intelligence operatives planted in the mob to take advantage of the chaos with full access to the Capitol. Even if it's not the case and it's "just" that rioters by chance stole sensitive information that's still very much not good.
Oh yeah, best case scenario is that all confidential government business conducted for the foreseeable future has an asterisk noting that details and classified information may be known to individuals or organizations outside of its intended audience.

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Jakyl25
01/07/21 4:30:28 PM
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LapisLazuli
01/07/21 4:38:00 PM
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Peace___Frog
01/07/21 4:42:46 PM
#282:


It always astounds me how incredibly stupid his children are.

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LordoftheMorons
01/07/21 4:44:19 PM
#283:


https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1347288548144246786

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DoomTheGyarados
01/07/21 4:45:11 PM
#284:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1347288548144246786

I am fucking ready

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Peace___Frog
01/07/21 4:58:12 PM
#285:


If they're prosecuted***

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Jakyl25
01/07/21 5:00:01 PM
#286:


LapisLazuli posted...
https://twitter.com/ODell_Nathaniel/status/1347211835242647552?s=19


This is pretty disingenuous. Thats before the rally, and I cant make out Trump doing anything except looking at the crowds

Kimberly telling people to FIGHT! definitely comes across poorly in hindsight <_<
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LordoftheMorons
01/07/21 5:02:15 PM
#287:


Jakyl25 posted...
This is pretty disingenuous. Thats before the rally, and I cant make out Trump doing anything except looking at the crowds

Kimberly telling people to FIGHT! definitely comes across poorly in hindsight <_<
What Im really pissed about is how they continue to take 0 covid precautions after like 5 outbreaks

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Jakyl25
01/07/21 5:06:07 PM
#288:


LordoftheMorons posted...

What Im really pissed about is how they continue to take 0 covid precautions after like 5 outbreaks


Theyve all had COVID already, theyre IMMUNE!
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LordoftheMorons
01/07/21 5:31:55 PM
#289:


https://twitter.com/jonlovett/status/1347306198777929728?s=21

DC statehood must happen for a ton of reasons

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xp1337
01/07/21 5:35:27 PM
#290:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/jonlovett/status/1347306198777929728?s=21

DC statehood must happen for a ton of reasons
That clip from Logan recounting his experience is especially alarming. MD kept getting rebuffed by the feds until the Secretary of the Army called them outside the usual channels asking if they could send the MD National Guard ASAP.

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xp1337
01/07/21 5:49:36 PM
#291:


https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1347312925032255491

Pence opposes invoking the 25th Amendment per Business Insider.

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kevwaffles
01/07/21 6:00:48 PM
#292:


Ya know, if they somehow manage to actually impeach (and remove) Trump, we'll finally have a POTUS with a shorter tenure than William Henry Harrison.
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LordoftheMorons
01/07/21 6:10:48 PM
#293:


xp1337 posted...
https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1347312925032255491

Pence opposes invoking the 25th Amendment per Business Insider.
Second impeachment it is, then

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xp1337
01/07/21 6:10:56 PM
#294:


Capital Hill Police Chief to resign effective next week.

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xp1337
01/07/21 6:14:12 PM
#295:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Second impeachment it is, then
On that note: https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1347317174562598912

House leadership discussing a process to allow them to skip committee proceedings and just bring the articles of impeachment directly to the floor of the House within two days. Nadler has said he supports bringing them right to the floor.

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LordoftheMorons
01/07/21 6:49:36 PM
#296:


Wont somebody think of the real victims of all of this

https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1347311739344400384?s=21

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Crescent-Moon
01/07/21 6:49:55 PM
#297:


That's still two days where he knows it's coming.

Gotta go fast?

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LordoftheMorons
01/07/21 6:51:30 PM
#298:


https://twitter.com/NoahGrayCNN/status/1347328675776225280

A Capitol police officer is dead because of Trump

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LordoftheMorons
01/07/21 6:52:25 PM
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LapisLazuli
01/07/21 6:54:30 PM
#300:


Ted Cruz is gutter trash but he has standing, reputation, and clout.

Hawley done fucked up.

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