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2SweetforTurtle 01/09/21 10:26:12 PM #51:	Flockaveli posted... Oh okay. Im too young to remember that period in WWE (probably wasnt even born) but I figured it was a Black Power thing with the way they were dressed and what I heard about the stable in general. That was certainly the intent initially. --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:949323348] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Flockaveli posted... </cite> <quote>Oh okay. Im too young to remember that period in WWE (probably wasnt even born) but I figured it was a Black Power thing with the way they were dressed and what I heard about the stable in general.</quote> That was certainly the intent initially. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IGotIt4Cheap 01/09/21 10:26:44 PM #52:	cjs28 posted... Wasn't Booker T champion for a while? >_> WCW/World Heavyweight Champion yes. But that title was considered 1-B to the WWE Championship, which has always been THE Belt. --- R.I.P. Tyrief, Gone too soon. R.I.P. Juanito, Tough times don't last, but tough people do. <cite>IGotIt4Cheap posted [p:949323366] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>cjs28 posted... </cite> <quote>Wasn't Booker T champion for a while? >_></quote> WCW/World Heavyweight Champion yes. But that title was considered 1-B to the WWE Championship, which has always been THE Belt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dondre_X 01/09/21 10:35:23 PM #53:	Racists won't even let the Rock be black. --- Dondre...... FC:0104-4075-8605 IGN Donnell <cite>Dondre_X posted [p:949323629] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Racists won't even let the Rock be black. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2SweetforTurtle 01/09/21 10:35:27 PM #54:	IGotIt4Cheap posted... WCW/World Heavyweight Champion yes. But that title was considered 1-B to the WWE Championship, which has always been THE Belt. Revisionist history at its finest. I too just like you remember when Chris Benoit joined Eddie after Eddie closed WMXX with a victory by retaining the title. I too remember John Cena main eventing WM21 because the WWE was so much more important than the WHC at the time. I too remember WM 24 being closed out by Orton and not Undertaker vs Edge. eyeroll The WHC and WWE titles were equal in importance until the early 2010s. Which was long after King Bookers reign. Theyre doing the same thing with the Universal and WWE nowadays. You cant tell me that the WWE title is the most prestigious title when you have Lesnar main eventing over it with the Universal title, and later when The Fiend and Braun were champions as well. --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:949323630] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>IGotIt4Cheap posted... </cite> <quote>WCW/World Heavyweight Champion yes. But that title was considered 1-B to the WWE Championship, which has always been THE Belt.</quote> Revisionist history at its finest. I too just like you remember when Chris Benoit joined Eddie after Eddie closed WMXX with a victory by retaining the title. I too remember John Cena main eventing WM21 because the WWE was so much more important than the WHC at the time. I too remember WM 24 being closed out by Orton and not Undertaker vs Edge. eyeroll The WHC and WWE titles were equal in importance until the early 2010s. Which was long after King Bookers reign. Theyre doing the same thing with the Universal and WWE nowadays. You cant tell me that the WWE title is the most prestigious title when you have Lesnar main eventing over it with the Universal title, and later when The Fiend and Braun were champions as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IGotIt4Cheap 01/09/21 10:41:46 PM #55:	2SweetforTurtle posted... Theyre doing the same thing with the Universal and WWE nowadays. You cant tell me that the WWE title is the most prestigious title when you have Lesnar main eventing over it with the Universal title, and later when The Fiend and Braun were champions as well. They were trying to get the Universal title over and increase the prestige of the belt this is nothing new in Pro Wrestling. Simply put my friend, a title that was created less than 5 years ago is not going to have the prestige of a title that is over 50 years old. And very few people of color have had to chance to hold the belt that 50+ year old belt. --- R.I.P. Tyrief, Gone too soon. R.I.P. Juanito, Tough times don't last, but tough people do. <cite>IGotIt4Cheap posted [p:949323849] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>2SweetforTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>Theyre doing the same thing with the Universal and WWE nowadays. You cant tell me that the WWE title is the most prestigious title when you have Lesnar main eventing over it with the Universal title, and later when The Fiend and Braun were champions as well.</quote> They were trying to get the Universal title over and increase the prestige of the belt this is nothing new in Pro Wrestling. Simply put my friend, a title that was created less than 5 years ago is not going to have the prestige of a title that is over 50 years old. And very few people of color have had to chance to hold the belt that 50+ year old belt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sewage 01/09/21 10:46:38 PM #56:	FortuneCookie posted... "Ahmed Johnson hurt people." "Mark Henry wasn't talented enough." "Booker T was punished for being WCW's last big star." "Shelton Benjamin couldn't talk." "R-Truth didn't have that it factor." "Did you know The Rock is, like, 3/16th Black? That counts." No offense but you can find white versions of this as well that kind of prove the point that you are trying to counter prove. Ryback was super over but hurt people. Sting was jobbed out in his first match for being a WCW star. Don't even get me started on DDP. Shelton Benjamin has the same problems John Morrison had. The McMahons are terrible and they do have a race problem, but I think most of the stuff fans cling to ignore that they have a standard that is upheld across the board. <cite>Sewage posted [p:949323995] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>"Ahmed Johnson hurt people." "Mark Henry wasn't talented enough." "Booker T was punished for being WCW's last big star." "Shelton Benjamin couldn't talk." "R-Truth didn't have that it factor." "Did you know The Rock is, like, 3/16th Black? That counts."</quote>No offense but you can find white versions of this as well that kind of prove the point that you are trying to counter prove. Ryback was super over but hurt people. Sting was jobbed out in his first match for being a WCW star. Don't even get me started on DDP. Shelton Benjamin has the same problems John Morrison had. The McMahons are terrible and they do have a race problem, but I think most of the stuff fans cling to ignore that they have a standard that is upheld across the board. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2SweetforTurtle 01/09/21 10:50:30 PM #57:	IGotIt4Cheap posted... They were trying to get the Universal title over and increase the prestige of the belt this is nothing new in Pro Wrestling. Simply put my friend, a title that was created less than 5 years ago is not going to have the prestige of a title that is over 50 years old. And very few people of color have had to chance to hold the belt that 50+ year old belt. I understand why you think the WWE title is more prestigious, and factually it is, but WWE doesnt see it that way. Theyll shit out a new world title every 10 years and act like it matters, and for the most part, it does. Being the top champion of Friday Night Smackdown is more impressive than being the world champion of Ring of Honor, regardless if its the World Heavyweight Championship, or the Universal Championship. But I digress, I still agree that the WHC eventually became a joke title that was very clearly treated as second rate by the end of its life. However it was certainly still treated as a serious championship back around the days of Triple H, Batista, Kurt Angle, which is when King Booker won it. Also, Im not denying that few black people have held it. There have been plenty of people of color who have held it though, and have had meaningful reigns. --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:949324131] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>IGotIt4Cheap posted... </cite> <quote>They were trying to get the Universal title over and increase the prestige of the belt this is nothing new in Pro Wrestling. Simply put my friend, a title that was created less than 5 years ago is not going to have the prestige of a title that is over 50 years old. And very few people of color have had to chance to hold the belt that 50+ year old belt.</quote> I understand why you think the WWE title is more prestigious, and factually it is, but WWE doesnt see it that way. Theyll shit out a new world title every 10 years and act like it matters, and for the most part, it does. Being the top champion of Friday Night Smackdown is more impressive than being the world champion of Ring of Honor, regardless if its the World Heavyweight Championship, or the Universal Championship. But I digress, I still agree that the WHC eventually became a joke title that was very clearly treated as second rate by the end of its life. However it was certainly still treated as a serious championship back around the days of Triple H, Batista, Kurt Angle, which is when King Booker won it. Also, Im not denying that few black people have held it. There have been plenty of people of color who have held it though, and have had meaningful reigns. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 01/09/21 11:00:20 PM #58:	Any fans know Vince is a bit of an old fashion racist and Linda is not that far off from him. They are loyal Trump supporters and are Republicans. This is well known. But Kofi is Black and he won the WWE belt against Daniel Bryan(one of the hottest wrestler) at Wrestlemania. Kofi and The New Day played the an angle calling Vince and the WWE racist. It was great. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:949324400] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Any fans know Vince is a bit of an old fashion racist and Linda is not that far off from him. They are loyal Trump supporters and are Republicans. This is well known. But Kofi is Black and he won the WWE belt against Daniel Bryan(one of the hottest wrestler) at Wrestlemania. Kofi and The New Day played the an angle calling Vince and the WWE racist. It was great. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 01/09/21 11:05:32 PM #59:	The Nation of Domination was a black power group made to get Ahmed Johnson over. Shame Ahmed kept getting hurt and hurting others so much that top stars didn't want to work with him. I still remember the match Ron Simmons(Faarooq at the time) slammed Ahmed so hard his body was twitching all over the place. It was freaky. I still think Ron Simmons should of been a main eventer during the attitude era. Guy had it all. <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:949324569] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>The Nation of Domination was a black power group made to get Ahmed Johnson over. Shame Ahmed kept getting hurt and hurting others so much that top stars didn't want to work with him. I still remember the match Ron Simmons(Faarooq at the time) slammed Ahmed so hard his body was twitching all over the place. It was freaky. I still think Ron Simmons should of been a main eventer during the attitude era. Guy had it all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2SweetforTurtle 01/09/21 11:11:21 PM #60:	Abiz_ posted... The Nation of Domination was a black power group made to get Ahmed Johnson over. Shame Ahmed kept getting hurt and hurting others so much that top stars didn't want to work with him. I still remember the match Ron Simmons(Faarooq at the time) slammed Ahmed so hard his body was twitching all over the place. It was freaky. I still think Ron Simmons should of been a main eventer during the attitude era. Guy had it all. Ron Simmons was a beast. He looked so incredibly badass --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:949324749] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Abiz_ posted... </cite> <quote>The Nation of Domination was a black power group made to get Ahmed Johnson over. Shame Ahmed kept getting hurt and hurting others so much that top stars didn't want to work with him. I still remember the match Ron Simmons(Faarooq at the time) slammed Ahmed so hard his body was twitching all over the place. It was freaky. I still think Ron Simmons should of been a main eventer during the attitude era. Guy had it all.</quote> Ron Simmons was a beast. He looked so incredibly badass </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 01/09/21 11:13:42 PM #61:	The Rock is a Black Champion though <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:949324833] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>The Rock is a Black Champion though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 01/09/21 11:14:13 PM #62:	2SweetforTurtle posted... Ron Simmons was a beast. He looked so incredibly badass His voice was awesome also. Once he started speaking as a kid he just drew me in. <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:949324856] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>2SweetforTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>Ron Simmons was a beast. He looked so incredibly badass</quote>His voice was awesome also. Once he started speaking as a kid he just drew me in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 01/09/21 11:23:59 PM #63:	2SweetforTurtle posted... Ron Simmons was a beast. He looked so incredibly badass He legitimately was. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:949325213] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>2SweetforTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>Ron Simmons was a beast. He looked so incredibly badass</quote> He legitimately was. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 01/09/21 11:55:52 PM #64:	WWE definitely under-utilized Ron Simmons. --- You're reading a signature on a dying video game websight. Sad! <cite>Caution999 posted [p:949326163] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>WWE definitely under-utilized Ron Simmons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DD Divine 01/10/21 12:06:27 AM #65:	Caution999 posted... WWE definitely under-utilized Ron Simmons. remember his gimmick before NOD?? Oh god --- while driving yesterday I saw a banana peel in the road and I instinctively swerved to miss it, thanks a lot Mario Kart. <cite>DD Divine posted [p:949326451] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Caution999 posted... </cite> <quote>WWE definitely under-utilized Ron Simmons.</quote>remember his gimmick before NOD?? Oh god </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/10/21 1:36:37 AM #66:	One thing about Kofi's loss is that he didn't got back to try to win his stuff back. He went right back to dancing and jiving with the New Day. Honestly the Power of Positivity is a good message. I got the shirt and the Booty-Os. But he should went on mission to fight brock. He didn't have to win but at least don't be a simp. --- NO I don't support Trump Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:949328787] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>One thing about Kofi's loss is that he didn't got back to try to win his stuff back. He went right back to dancing and jiving with the New Day. Honestly the Power of Positivity is a good message. I got the shirt and the Booty-Os. But he should went on mission to fight brock. He didn't have to win but at least don't be a simp. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 01/10/21 8:32:34 AM #67:	Caution999 posted... WWE definitely under-utilized Ron Simmons. To be fair, he had lingering injuries. He wrestled full matches for about a year or two before being stuck in tag team competition. From about 1998 onward, he never wrestled a singles match that went more than five minutes. Even his Intercontinental title match against The Rock at Over the Edge '98 was about four and a half minutes. I still would not have begrudged seeing him as champion in 1997. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:949334512] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Caution999 posted... </cite> <quote>WWE definitely under-utilized Ron Simmons.</quote> To be fair, he had lingering injuries. He wrestled full matches for about a year or two before being stuck in tag team competition. From about 1998 onward, he never wrestled a singles match that went more than five minutes. Even his Intercontinental title match against The Rock at Over the Edge '98 was about four and a half minutes. I still would not have begrudged seeing him as champion in 1997. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigtiggie23 01/10/21 8:38:43 AM #68:	FortuneCookie posted... Stolen from the WWE board: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/09/pro-trump-dark-money-groups-organized-the-rally-that-led-to-deadly-capitol-hill-riot.html America First Policies, which is also a 501(c)(4) that does not disclose its donors, is chaired by Linda McMahon, a longtime Trump ally and former head of the Small Business Administration. The 2019 filing shows America First Policies ended up raising over $30 million. They were not involved with the planning of the rally itself. "Ahmed Johnson hurt people." "Mark Henry wasn't talented enough." "Booker T was punished for being WCW's last big star." "Shelton Benjamin couldn't talk." "R-Truth didn't have that it factor." "Did you know The Rock is, like, 3/16th Black? That counts." It's pretty evident there's a glass ceiling when the wife of the company owner is funding white supremacists. I know they had their first Black champion ever last year, but I'm betting it's because USA Network twisted Vince's arm and made him do it. I could've swore Ahmed was the one who couldn't talk. Have you seen the Warzone promos? --- If reading my posts gives you an erection lasting longer than four hours, you're welcome. <cite>bigtiggie23 posted [p:949334608] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted...</cite> <quote>Stolen from the WWE board: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/09/pro-trump-dark-money-groups-organized-the-rally-that-led-to-deadly-capitol-hill-riot.html America First Policies, which is also a 501(c)(4) that does not disclose its donors, is chaired by Linda McMahon, a longtime Trump ally and former head of the Small Business Administration. The 2019 filing shows America First Policies ended up raising over $30 million. They were not involved with the planning of the rally itself. "Ahmed Johnson hurt people." "Mark Henry wasn't talented enough." "Booker T was punished for being WCW's last big star." "Shelton Benjamin couldn't talk." "R-Truth didn't have that it factor." "Did you know The Rock is, like, 3/16th Black? That counts." It's pretty evident there's a glass ceiling when the wife of the company owner is funding white supremacists. I know they had their first Black champion ever last year, but I'm betting it's because USA Network twisted Vince's arm and made him do it. </quote> I could've swore Ahmed was the one who couldn't talk. Have you seen the Warzone promos?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 01/10/21 8:48:57 AM #69:	Ron Simmons was badass. Doom was a cool tag team in WCW as well. bigtiggie23 posted... I could've swore Ahmed was the one who couldn't talk. Have you seen the Warzone promos? Wonton beef stew! --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:949334785] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Ron Simmons was badass. Doom was a cool tag team in WCW as well. bigtiggie23 posted... </cite> <quote>I could've swore Ahmed was the one who couldn't talk. Have you seen the Warzone promos?</quote> Wonton beef stew! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KainFourteh 01/10/21 9:53:17 AM #70:	Mark Henry and Booker T have both been champion. Then there's Kofi Kingston. <cite>KainFourteh posted [p:949335966] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Mark Henry and Booker T have both been champion. Then there's Kofi Kingston. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/10/21 1:38:42 PM #71:	KainFourteh posted... Mark Henry and Booker T have both been champion. Then there's Kofi Kingston. When people say WWE Champ they are talking about one belt. Mark and Booker had a different belt. That is the one Kofi got. And Big E should get in a year if he stop dancing around . --- NO I don't support Trump Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:949342524] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>KainFourteh posted... </cite> <quote>Mark Henry and Booker T have both been champion. Then there's Kofi Kingston.</quote> When people say WWE Champ they are talking about one belt. Mark and Booker had a different belt. That is the one Kofi got. And Big E should get in a year if he stop dancing around . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 01/10/21 1:42:51 PM #72:	The Rock is a Black WWE Champion and the best one too. He's the Michael Jordan of WWE wrestling <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:949342713] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>The Rock is a Black WWE Champion and the best one too. He's the Michael Jordan of WWE wrestling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/10/21 1:45:16 PM #73:	2Pacavelli posted... The Rock is a Black WWE Champion and the best one too. He's the Michael Jordan of WWE wrestling I am not saying I feel this way . But some people don't count the right because they feel like besides being mixed , that he seemingly turned his back on his black side. (once more not my view) --- NO I don't support Trump Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:949342814] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>2Pacavelli posted... </cite> <quote>The Rock is a Black WWE Champion and the best one too. He's the Michael Jordan of WWE wrestling</quote> I am not saying I feel this way . But some people don't count the right because they feel like besides being mixed , that he seemingly turned his back on his black side. (once more not my view) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ColdOne666 01/10/21 1:52:09 PM #75:	Flauros posted... Shleton deserved a run. He is about the perfect mid carder. and adding that accolade would have been a great note for his career No he sucks. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:949343076] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Flauros posted... </cite> <quote>Shleton deserved a run. He is about the perfect mid carder. and adding that accolade would have been a great note for his career</quote> No he sucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sondast 01/10/21 2:04:17 PM #77:	Flockaveli posted... Didnt Rock have a whole gimmick based around blackness at one point in his career. Being black and also the leader of The Nation of Domination isnt black enough for some people. --- Take a lesson from parakeets. If you're ever feeling lonely, just eat in front of a mirror. <cite>sondast posted [p:949343560] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Flockaveli posted... </cite> <quote>Didnt Rock have a whole gimmick based around blackness at one point in his career.</quote>Being black and also the leader of The Nation of Domination isnt black enough for some people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nasty_Nitro 01/10/21 2:17:25 PM #78:	WWE does not have enough black world champs in 60yrs 6 guys is not enough R-Truth, Shelton Benjamin amd Lashley should been former world champs. Shelton Benjamin was held back by racism pure and simple --- OG status Triple OG Status Jaguars, Miami Heat, ROH, NJPW, AEW supporter <cite>Nasty_Nitro posted [p:949344071] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>WWE does not have enough black world champs in 60yrs 6 guys is not enough R-Truth, Shelton Benjamin amd Lashley should been former world champs. Shelton Benjamin was held back by racism pure and simple </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DirkDiggles 01/10/21 2:29:00 PM #80:	Starks posted... Booker T vs Buff Bagwell kinda ruined everything That match wasn't even bad as most marks make it out to be. --- https://imgur.com/i9oVpG0 <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:949344496] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Starks posted... </cite> <quote>Booker T vs Buff Bagwell kinda ruined everything</quote> That match wasn't even bad as most marks make it out to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/10/21 2:29:46 PM #81:	Conflict posted... Shelton Benjamin had no charisma or mic skills, dude. He was fine not winning the belt People who can't talk, but are great in the ring. Kind of like Chris Benoit but old Shelly Shell didn't kill his family. --- NO I don't support Trump Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:949344525] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Shelton Benjamin had no charisma or mic skills, dude. He was fine not winning the belt</quote> People who can't talk, but are great in the ring. Kind of like Chris Benoit but old Shelly Shell didn't kill his family. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/10/21 2:30:13 PM #82:	sondast posted... Being black and also the leader of The Nation of Domination isnt black enough for some people. Owen Hart was in the Nation. .. But he was the Black Hart. --- NO I don't support Trump Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:949344540] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>sondast posted... </cite> <quote>Being black and also the leader of The Nation of Domination isnt black enough for some people.</quote> Owen Hart was in the Nation. .. But he was the Black Hart. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 01/10/21 2:30:50 PM #83:	Brock Lesner can't talk either. --- https://imgur.com/i9oVpG0 <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:949344561] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Brock Lesner can't talk either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DD Divine 01/10/21 2:32:05 PM #85:	this is why WWE drops the bell with managers, lately. They need better managers who can be mouth pieces for guys that cant cut promos. --- while driving yesterday I saw a banana peel in the road and I instinctively swerved to miss it, thanks a lot Mario Kart. <cite>DD Divine posted [p:949344601] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>this is why WWE drops the bell with managers, lately. They need better managers who can be mouth pieces for guys that cant cut promos. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 01/10/21 3:22:06 PM #86:	Conflict posted... Shelton Benjamin had no charisma or mic skills, dude. He was fine not winning the belt R-Truth, Lashley and MVP could've had their shots. I think R-Truth was kind of screwed over by his big main event push coming like 3 weeks before CM Punk really made news and became bigger than the business for a bit. He kind of had to get pushed into the background after that. He was definitely held back in 2010 though, if he wasn't drafted to Raw to take away all of SD's stars, he probably could've won the title. Lashley definitely would've been world champ if he didn't leave WWE in 2007. I don't know why MVP never got his shot, outside of something like his criminal past, but he was probably SD's top heel in 2007, but he never got a chance at the top of the card, especially after the fans literally turned him face in 2008-2009. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:949346418] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Shelton Benjamin had no charisma or mic skills, dude. He was fine not winning the belt R-Truth, Lashley and MVP could've had their shots.</quote> I think R-Truth was kind of screwed over by his big main event push coming like 3 weeks before CM Punk really made news and became bigger than the business for a bit. He kind of had to get pushed into the background after that. He was definitely held back in 2010 though, if he wasn't drafted to Raw to take away all of SD's stars, he probably could've won the title. Lashley definitely would've been world champ if he didn't leave WWE in 2007. I don't know why MVP never got his shot, outside of something like his criminal past, but he was probably SD's top heel in 2007, but he never got a chance at the top of the card, especially after the fans literally turned him face in 2008-2009. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 01/10/21 3:24:04 PM #87:	Caution999 posted... In contrast, the southern Wrestling Company, WCW, had Ron Simmons as the WCW World Heavyweight Champion in the year of 1992. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhsWQBziRz4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB8DYpLAIfs Listen to that pop. Gotta be one of the best victories ever. You can't get a crowd to pop like that anymore. I noticed that when I watched old WCW from the NWO era last year during quarantine. The crowds popped for jobbers then louder than they do stars now. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:949346478] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Caution999 posted... </cite> <quote>In contrast, the southern Wrestling Company, WCW, had Ron Simmons as the WCW World Heavyweight Champion in the year of 1992. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhsWQBziRz4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB8DYpLAIfs Listen to that pop. Gotta be one of the best victories ever. You can't get a crowd to pop like that anymore.</quote>I noticed that when I watched old WCW from the NWO era last year during quarantine. The crowds popped for jobbers then louder than they do stars now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 01/10/21 3:40:27 PM #88:	Nasty_Nitro posted... WWE does not have enough black world champs in 60yrs 6 guys is not enough R-Truth, Shelton Benjamin amd Lashley should been former world champs. Shelton Benjamin was held back by racism pure and simple They all suck and no he wasnt. Stop trolling and making up crap. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:949346974] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Nasty_Nitro posted... </cite> <quote>WWE does not have enough black world champs in 60yrs 6 guys is not enough R-Truth, Shelton Benjamin amd Lashley should been former world champs. Shelton Benjamin was held back by racism pure and simple</quote> They all suck and no he wasnt. Stop trolling and making up crap. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orlando_Jordan 01/10/21 3:43:53 PM #89:	DD Divine posted... he won Big Gold from WCW. Never the WWE Championship He didn't have the title when he was King Booker? Maybe I'm thinking of Impact Wrestling. --- "GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site."-CJayC <cite>Orlando_Jordan posted [p:949347105] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>DD Divine posted... </cite> <quote>he won Big Gold from WCW. Never the WWE Championship</quote>He didn't have the title when he was King Booker? Maybe I'm thinking of Impact Wrestling. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2SweetforTurtle 01/10/21 4:00:09 PM #90:	Conflict posted... Those statements about Ahmed Johnson and Shelton Benjamin are correct though. Did they make any statements about Bobby Lashley? WWE champions. Nobody gives a shit about women's champions, there's not nearly as much of them as there are men, and there are no secondary belts like the IC title. Rock was really your only example and he identifies heavily as Samoan Kofi Kingston was the first champion to finally put the debate to rest PPV main events don't determine title importance lmao. Do you know how many fucking PPVs there have been where the IC title match was after a world title match? Or times where the main event of a PPV wasn't even a title match at all? The WWE title was on the flagship show the vast majority of the time. The title was around since the 70s. They were not at all equal. Absolutely ridiculous. Im not sitting here saying shit like well at No Mercy 2004 the WHC main evented over the WWE or whatever the fuck. Im talking about Wrestlemania. Literally THE night in which closing the show matters most. The marquee match will always close the show. Period. There was a period in which the marquee match was usually the WHC. Monday Night Raw was always THE show and in the early brand split, its title was the WHC and thus it was the premier championship. WWE doesnt give a shit whether or not you think the WWE title is more important because its been around since the 70s, they will shit out new titles and promote them over the WWE title all the time. Thats just how they function. You may disagree with it but to them, the WWE title is always equal to whatever new one they create to match it. --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:949347745] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Those statements about Ahmed Johnson and Shelton Benjamin are correct though. Did they make any statements about Bobby Lashley? WWE champions. Nobody gives a shit about women's champions, there's not nearly as much of them as there are men, and there are no secondary belts like the IC title. Rock was really your only example and he identifies heavily as Samoan Kofi Kingston was the first champion to finally put the debate to rest PPV main events don't determine title importance lmao. Do you know how many fucking PPVs there have been where the IC title match was after a world title match? Or times where the main event of a PPV wasn't even a title match at all? The WWE title was on the flagship show the vast majority of the time. The title was around since the 70s. They were not at all equal.</quote> Absolutely ridiculous. Im not sitting here saying shit like well at No Mercy 2004 the WHC main evented over the WWE or whatever the fuck. Im talking about Wrestlemania. Literally THE night in which closing the show matters most. The marquee match will always close the show. Period. There was a period in which the marquee match was usually the WHC. Monday Night Raw was always THE show and in the early brand split, its title was the WHC and thus it was the premier championship. WWE doesnt give a shit whether or not you think the WWE title is more important because its been around since the 70s, they will shit out new titles and promote them over the WWE title all the time. Thats just how they function. You may disagree with it but to them, the WWE title is always equal to whatever new one they create to match it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 01/10/21 4:11:56 PM #91:	Flockaveli posted... Didnt Rock have a whole gimmick based around blackness at one point in his career. Wasn't that when he was a heel? <_< --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:949348152] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Flockaveli posted... </cite> <quote>Didnt Rock have a whole gimmick based around blackness at one point in his career.</quote> Wasn't that when he was a heel? <_< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mike_Stanton 01/10/21 4:13:11 PM #92:	King Booker was WHC in 2006 after winning KotR. wtf is this topic? --- RIP Butters_1188 2005-2009 Prove me wrong <cite>Mike_Stanton posted [p:949348187] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>King Booker was WHC in 2006 after winning KotR. wtf is this topic? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 01/10/21 4:26:56 PM #93:	Not the biggest Lesnar fan but Lesnar worked well with Paul Heyman. I don't keep up with wrestling anymore so I don't know if they're still a thing but Lesnar had the body and beast-like power that made Paul's words just pop. Heyman had great presence and knew how to rile the crowd up. Lesnar didn't need to talk because he had Heyman do it. Goldberg was awesome until he started talking tbh. I was a huge fan of Goldberg back when he was undefeated and didn't say a word. Sometimes you don't need to have mic skills to be a great wrestling as long as they know how to work with you. Heyman knows how to talk and uses key phrases that seem to create an effect. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:949348630] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Not the biggest Lesnar fan but Lesnar worked well with Paul Heyman. I don't keep up with wrestling anymore so I don't know if they're still a thing but Lesnar had the body and beast-like power that made Paul's words just pop. Heyman had great presence and knew how to rile the crowd up. Lesnar didn't need to talk because he had Heyman do it. Goldberg was awesome until he started talking tbh. I was a huge fan of Goldberg back when he was undefeated and didn't say a word. Sometimes you don't need to have mic skills to be a great wrestling as long as they know how to work with you. Heyman knows how to talk and uses key phrases that seem to create an effect. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2SweetforTurtle 01/10/21 5:04:52 PM #94:	Darmik posted... Wasn't that when he was a heel? <_< Well tbf the other top tag teams at the time were heel too. The Hart Foundation were heels because they hated America, and DX was... DX. --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:949350036] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Wasn't that when he was a heel? <_<</quote> Well tbf the other top tag teams at the time were heel too. The Hart Foundation were heels because they hated America, and DX was... DX. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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2SweetforTurtle 01/10/21 6:34:56 PM #96:	Conflict posted... Okay well let's list the WMs in which the WHC title match main evented: WM20 WM21 WM24 That's it. And when the WHC did main event WM, it wasn't a black guy holding the championship. In a number of occasions, the WHC precedes the IC title match or even the Women's title match. So it's a weak point to make, especially when there were PPVs in which neither the WWE nor the WHC matches main evented. It was always considered secondary to the WWE title The title was not always considered secondary. Eventually it was, but not in the mid 2000s, which is when King Booker was champion (which is before WM 24). However the title was never, and will never, be regulated to secondary status on any official level, because that would take away from John Cenas world title record, and Triple H, Randy Orton, and Edge who are all near it as well. They arent going to dismiss these guys accomplishments and it doesnt matter if you think the title wasnt as important, to WWE its still a legit World Title. So as long as they sit there saying John Cena is a 16x World Champ, they can say that people like The Rock, Booker T, and Mark Henry have been their top champs as well. --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:949353407] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Okay well let's list the WMs in which the WHC title match main evented: WM20 WM21 WM24 That's it. And when the WHC did main event WM, it wasn't a black guy holding the championship. In a number of occasions, the WHC precedes the IC title match or even the Women's title match. So it's a weak point to make, especially when there were PPVs in which neither the WWE nor the WHC matches main evented. It was always considered secondary to the WWE title</quote> The title was not always considered secondary. Eventually it was, but not in the mid 2000s, which is when King Booker was champion (which is before WM 24). However the title was never, and will never, be regulated to secondary status on any official level, because that would take away from John Cenas world title record, and Triple H, Randy Orton, and Edge who are all near it as well. They arent going to dismiss these guys accomplishments and it doesnt matter if you think the title wasnt as important, to WWE its still a legit World Title. So as long as they sit there saying John Cena is a 16x World Champ, they can say that people like The Rock, Booker T, and Mark Henry have been their top champs as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 01/10/21 6:37:39 PM #97:	Would it be offensive to say black athletes have been off busy winning actual competitions? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:949353501] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Would it be offensive to say black athletes have been off busy winning actual competitions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 01/10/21 6:53:31 PM #99:	Conflict posted... Why would that be offensive You never know these days --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:949354106] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Why would that be offensive</quote> You never know these days </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 01/10/21 6:59:05 PM #101:	2SweetforTurtle posted... Idk but it happens every time this conversation comes up. People literally like to claim Kofi is the first 100% black champion just to dance around the question of the Rock. But its like, wtf does 100% black even mean. Nobody is 100% anything, lmao Stephen Colbert actually found out he's 100% white and was disappointed about it. --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:949354299] in This is wh... [t:79229486]...</cite> <quote>2SweetforTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>Idk but it happens every time this conversation comes up. People literally like to claim Kofi is the first 100% black champion just to dance around the question of the Rock. But its like, wtf does 100% black even mean. Nobody is 100% anything, lmao</quote>Stephen Colbert actually found out he's 100% white and was disappointed about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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