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lilORANG 01/10/21 2:30:39 PM #1: |
First, great game. They nailed the combat for the most part. Characters are good. Music is wonderful.
Now, for the story...I guess there are hints that this Aerith isn't the Aeris from OG FF7, because she says several things about having knowledge of the future. And with Sephiroth, who I clearly familiar with Cloud. So are these 2 characters from some alternate dimension and thrown into the game somehow, and everyone else is an original version? --- Posted using GameFlux ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KiwiTerraRizing 01/10/21 2:32:35 PM #2: |
I think she is able to see the original timeline and the altered one, she knows something is off.
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ModLogic 01/10/21 2:33:02 PM #3: |
we wont be sure until SE actually finishes the game
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Smackems 01/10/21 2:34:28 PM #4: |
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I think she is able to see the original timeline and the altered one, she knows something is off.This Sephiroth might be the same one from the og game --- Common sense is a fudge round - some dude ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame Zero 01/10/21 2:35:19 PM #5: |
Any answer you get at this point is pretty much just speculative fan theories. Nobody really knows the exact direction it's going.
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AsucaHayashi 01/10/21 2:35:55 PM #6: |
all you really need to know is that SE was like "fuck the original story"
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BakonBitz 01/10/21 2:36:18 PM #7: |
So basically, this Aerith is the OG. She knows there's something off and knows more than she should because the planet is speaking to her. She doesn't fully know everything and may even be fed lies at some points (suggesting the Whispers are spirits of the dead crying out in pain, when that's not true). The reason why the Whispers appeared is because Sephiroth, in all his tomfoolery within the Lifestream, is appearing in the past and disrupting the natural flow of events to try to create a future where his plan is successful (presumably).
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lilORANG 01/10/21 2:37:34 PM #8: |
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I think she is able to see the original timeline and the altered one, she knows something is off. I guess that would make sense since she saw Zack coming home after that battle. Which happened in the past (and in another timeline) --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smackems 01/10/21 2:42:05 PM #9: |
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ThisBtw reason I think this is because he seems to know a lot about what happened in the og --- Common sense is a fudge round - some dude ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/10/21 2:44:41 PM #10: |
lilORANG posted...
First, great game. They nailed the combat for the most part. Characters are good. Music is wonderful. Aerith is the original. The lifestream is sending visions to her from the future. The Sephiroth you encounter the whole game isn't even the real Sephiroth. He's a clone. The real Sephiroth is trapped in a crystal very far away manipulating the clones into doing shit for him. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 01/10/21 2:46:01 PM #11: |
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I think she is able to see the original timeline and the altered one, she knows something is off. Exactly. And I think Sephiroth is aware of it, too Also, while they are references to Advent Children and Crisis Core, I still hold that the phantoms you keep fighting are clearly the original versions of yourself trying to prevent you from changing fate. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strider102 01/10/21 2:47:07 PM #12: |
Not all things may be as they appear to be.
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DarkRoast 01/10/21 2:47:44 PM #13: |
I thought the ending was:
1) Extremely clever and well-done 2) Probably going to lead to Tetsuya Nomura screwing it all up like Kingdom Hearts --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/10/21 2:48:27 PM #14: |
Strider102 posted...
Not all things may be as they appear to be. I don't think that's an accurate statement. They tried and he fucking quartered them. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 01/10/21 2:57:25 PM #15: |
DarkRoast posted...
Exactly. The three you fight at the end (Rubrum, Viridi, and Croceo) are hinted to be Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo from Advent Children per the FFVII Remake Ultimania. One of Croceo's moves is even named after Yazoo's gun in the Japanese version. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strider102 01/10/21 3:00:57 PM #16: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't think that's an accurate statement. They tried and he fucking quartered them. I don't remember that tbh --- Last Cloudia ID: 188850453 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Number090684 01/10/21 3:01:21 PM #17: |
Sephiroth after defeating Cloud at the "Edge of Creation": Seven seconds until the end. Be we can make it in time. The future is up to you Cloud.(Accurate translation)
Until the end of the game Sephiroth seems to have been toying with Cloud, but he's really been testing him to prepare him for whatever lies ahead. Basically Sephiroth doesn't want to disappear, but in truth he doesn't want Cloud to either and it seems as if he doesn't want for them to have their fated confrontation that came at the end of the original FFVII. He wants Cloud to join forces with him so they can ultimately oppose "Fate" together. We don't know why he even needs Cloud's help considering he is much more powerful than him, what "Fate" exactly is, or why Sephiroth even needs to worry about fate in a literal sense anymore considering Cloud and co. had just destroyed the Whispers, whom seemed like they solely existed to interfere with and stop things that could change events and prevent them from proceding along their predestined course. Because of that, in a alternate reality, in the past, Zack survived. Biggs survived and possibly Jessie as well and are alive in likely a alternate dimension as well. It seems like Sephiroth is concerned with bigger threat out there than himself, we just don't know what it is. I think Aerith is a bit misguided, but understandably so considering how crazy everything is. Sephiroth is probably not going to be their nemesis this time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 01/10/21 3:04:54 PM #18: |
Oh yeah, we got confirmation that Biggs survived but nothing for Jessie! I wonder.
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DarkRoast 01/10/21 3:06:31 PM #19: |
I suspect the big reveal of the next game is that Sephiroth winds up "good" (or at least an anti-hero). If they really want to get meta they can even make Aerith a sort-of anti-villain as she fights to maintain the original timeline, against the wishes of Cloud and Sephiroth. With a "Aerith kills Sephiroth" twist or some crap.
There's something weird and off-putting about Aerith in FF7 Remake. She's coy and clever in ways that strike me as somewhat concerning. Like she's aware of a larger plan (or trying to organize one). Who knows with Nomura - whatever it is, it'll be stupidly complicated for seemingly no reason. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Allanon23 01/10/21 3:09:46 PM #20: |
DarkRoast posted...
2) Probably going to lead to Tetsuya Nomura screwing it all up like Kingdom Hearts This is my fear. --- Attention campers, lunch has been cancelled today due to lack of hustle. Deal with it. Current LP: Grandia HD Remaster ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/10/21 3:16:01 PM #21: |
lilORANG posted...
Oh yeah, we got confirmation that Biggs survived but nothing for Jessie! I wonder.Jessie is confirmed as well. Her gauntlet is in the same room with Biggs. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Number090684 01/10/21 3:17:23 PM #22: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
Jessie is confirmed as well. Her gauntlet is in the same room with Biggs. Even though she is likely alive it would have been nice to see her for 100% confirmation though. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 01/10/21 3:17:46 PM #23: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
Jessie is confirmed as well. Her gauntlet is in the same room with Biggs. Part of the implication, IMO, is that Sephiroth somehow screwed up the lifestream in a way where souls somehow went back to their bodies. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WizardPowers 01/10/21 3:18:36 PM #24: |
Sequel to ff7
Spehiroth is Advent children sephiroth Those 3 bad guys at the end are the 3 dudes from advent children Multiple timelines Sephiroth and aerith know way more than everyone else due to lifestream shenanigans --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/10/21 3:22:39 PM #25: |
DarkRoast posted...
Part of the implication, IMO, is that Sephiroth somehow screwed up the lifestream in a way where souls somehow went back to their bodies.Don't think it was him. It was specifically the fight between him and Cloud at the end that brought everyone back. The closest thing I can compare this to is the fight with Superboy Prime. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smackems 01/10/21 3:23:21 PM #26: |
Number090684 posted...
Even though she is likely alive it would have been nice to see her for 100% confirmation though.We will find out in 2037 --- Common sense is a fudge round - some dude ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 01/10/21 3:23:29 PM #27: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
Aerith is the original. The lifestream is sending visions to her from the future.There is another Sephiroth that Square has labeled as ??? that shows up in the beginning and the end of the game. So far everything suggests that ??? Sephiroth is from post Advent Children. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 01/10/21 3:24:59 PM #28: |
I shill this in every FF7R topic but I want it to happen so bad, it'd be hilarious.
We know that Sephiroth killing Aeris in the original contributes to screwing up his plan. Holy fails because she casts it too late, right before he kills her, but she's able to stop Meteor because she's dead and able to control the Lifestream. Seph knows this. Timeline aware Aeris knows this. I want Seph and Aeris' Wacky Shenanigans where she's trying to off herself and he keeps having to stop her. Sticking forks in electrical sockets. Throwing herself off of buildings. Trying to hold her breath until she passes out. All the while Seph is stopping her like an exasperated parent. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 01/10/21 3:29:45 PM #29: |
DarkRoast posted...
Probably going to lead to Tetsuya Nomura screwing it all up like Kingdom Hearts DarkRoast posted... Who knows with Nomura - whatever it is, it'll be stupidly complicated for seemingly no reason.You do know that Nomura didnt write the story of FF7:R? --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 01/10/21 3:32:53 PM #30: |
DarkRoast posted...
2) Probably going to lead to Tetsuya Nomura screwing it all up like Kingdom HeartsWell I can't say I'm not worried about that. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 01/10/21 3:36:59 PM #31: |
WizardPowers posted...
Sephiroth and aerith know way more than everyone else due to lifestream shenanigansYou should read the Black and White sections from the novel. It talks a lot about Aerith and Sephiroths time in the lifstream. Here a link if youre interested. https://thelifestream.net/novels-novellas/on-the-way-to-a-smile-lifestream-black-and-lifestream-white/ --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KogaSteelfang 01/10/21 3:57:36 PM #32: |
I actually think it was Aerith that was meddling with the timeline, possibly to save Zack. Iirc the only time the whispers appear when she isn't present is when Jessie hurts her leg. Every other time they are always targeting Aerith. We also see Aerith lie to the others, most obviously to Cloud about Sephiroth. We also see her meddling with people's mind's directly,vas we see her do to
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AzurexNightmare 01/10/21 4:02:52 PM #34: |
AsucaHayashi posted...
all you really need to know is that SE was like "fuck the original story"Go back and play the original. Still exists. --- Latest Game Completed 100% Resident Evil VII ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 01/10/21 4:04:43 PM #35: |
Godnorgosh posted...
Explain that s*** to me. I agree with this If they had just remade the game in 3D with that combat, maybe just fleshed the story out a bit, it would probably be my favorite game of all time As is, man, it was an 8/10 at best IMO, the story changes were mostly silly, the pacing was rough and there was a lot of filler ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AzurexNightmare 01/10/21 4:05:23 PM #36: |
ViewtifulGrave posted...
You do know that Nomura didnt write the story of FF7:R?Color me surprised. I did not know this. --- Latest Game Completed 100% Resident Evil VII ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hyperpowder 01/10/21 4:07:51 PM #37: |
I loved the story. So glad the twist wasn't really hinted either. Makes the story far more interesting.
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Strider102 01/10/21 4:12:53 PM #39: |
AzurexNightmare posted...
Color me surprised. I did not know this. Most people don't. --- Last Cloudia ID: 188850453 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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__Fiale__ 01/10/21 4:18:18 PM #40: |
DarthAragorn posted...
IMO, the story changes were mostly silly, the pacing was rough and there was a lot of filler --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Skies of Arcadia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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__Fiale__ 01/10/21 4:19:11 PM #41: |
DarthAragorn posted... the story changes were mostly silly, the pacing was rough and there was a lot of filler --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Skies of Arcadia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 01/10/21 4:21:36 PM #42: |
lilORANG posted...
Oh yeah, we got confirmation that Biggs survived but nothing for Jessie! I wonder.Her glove was on the desk next to him. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 01/10/21 4:23:52 PM #43: |
KogaSteelfang posted...
I actually think it was Aerith that was meddling with the timeline, possibly to save Zack. Iirc the only time the whispers appear when she isn't present is when Jessie hurts her leg. Every other time they are always targeting Aerith. We also see Aerith lie to the others, most obviously to Cloud about Sephiroth. We also see her meddling with people's mind's directly,vas we see her do toThey aren't targeting her. All they are doing is trying to keep everything on its preordained path. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KogaSteelfang 01/10/21 4:27:40 PM #44: |
dave_is_slick posted...
They aren't targeting her. All they are doing is trying to keep everything on its preordained path. They swarm right on top of her(literally as she is introduced she is being swarmed), block her specifically while others are free, and aside from one point only appear when she is present. --- Work in progress, please be patient. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 01/10/21 4:31:20 PM #45: |
AzurexNightmare posted...
Color me surprised. I did not know this.Its weird that people ignorantly blame him for the story. There are four writers and he isnt listed. Hell he didnt even want to direct the game at first. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 01/10/21 4:42:12 PM #46: |
KogaSteelfang posted...
They swarm right on top of her(literally as she is introduced she is being swarmed), block her specifically while others are free, and aside from one point only appear when she is present.The Wispers are trying to maintain the original timeline. This is painfully obvious and confirmed by Square. In the beginning Aerith is being swarmed because Sephiroth is trying to stop Cloud from meeting Aerith so the Wispers are keeping her in place so Cloud runs into her. Also the Wispers show up plenty time without Aerith being present. They stop Jessie on the pillar, threw Wedge out of a window, attacked Seventh Heaven. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KogaSteelfang 01/10/21 4:46:56 PM #47: |
ViewtifulGrave posted...
The Wispers are trying to maintain the original timeline. This is painfully obvious and confirmed by Square.Yes, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying from Aerith's actions in game, it's just as likely she is the one(or one of the two) who are actively trying to change things. Besides, it's her that Edit: All I'm saying is we see her alter people's minds, lie to the others, and generally be shady with her future knowledge. I don't think it was all Sephiroth's doing. --- Work in progress, please be patient. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/10/21 4:48:10 PM #48: |
Aerith doesn't make a decision to change things until the very end when they step into the portal.
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CyricZ 01/10/21 4:50:48 PM #49: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
Aerith doesn't make a decision to change things until the very end when they step into the portal. Like, I don't deny that she was aware. I just think she isn't remotely in control. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AzurexNightmare 01/10/21 4:51:17 PM #50: |
ViewtifulGrave posted...
Its weird that people ignorantly blame him for the story. There are four writers and he isnt listed. Hell he didnt even want to direct the game at first.To be honest the ending was Nomura esque xD --- Latest Game Completed 100% Resident Evil VII ... Copied to Clipboard!
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