Current Events > Just finished GoT Season 8... (spoilers)

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I know Im super late on this critique train but.... lol at those character arc 180s

Especially Jaime and Daenarys, like wtf... felt kind of jarring and rushed

IMO Jaime should have left to meet with Cersei solely to try and convince her to surrender, and then Daenarys gets betrayed when Cersei finds out about how they plan to stand down when they hear the bells. She decides to use the bells as a trap, simultaneously pulling her brothers in as unwitting co-conspirators. Then kind of escalate it from there. Maybe have Jaime be the one to put her down eventually.

Increasing the betrayals on Daenarys side would have helped transition her abrupt change too as showing mercy would have backfired on her.

GoT never got a season 8 what you talking about

A shame it'll never get an ending

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Its like they legit didn't want anything satisfying to happen at all lmao. Writing only for the sake of twists after people are already apathetic to twists and not having any catharsis or pay off for years of actual setup = Everyones time was wasted and they'll forget the good time they had leading up to it because of how pointless it ended up being in EVERY aspect.

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CapnMuffin posted...

IMO Jaime should have left to meet with Cersei solely to try and convince her to surrender, and then Daenarys gets betrayed when Cersei finds out about how they plan to stand down when they hear the bells. She decides to use the bells as a trap, simultaneously pulling her brothers in as unwitting co-conspirators. Then kind of escalate it from there. Maybe have Jaime be the one to put her down eventually.

Congratulations youre a better writer than D&D

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i like how one handed jaime (and brienne?) held off the undead army for a whole night while their backs were literally against the wall

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I was saying since season 2 that Dany would break bad in a big way with them dragons. It was fairly obvious, and every season cemented it more. I legit don't see how people were surprised. That said,

CapnMuffin posted...

IMO Jaime should have left to meet with Cersei solely to try and convince her to surrender, and then Daenarys gets betrayed when Cersei finds out about how they plan to stand down when they hear the bells. She decides to use the bells as a trap, simultaneously pulling her brothers in as unwitting co-conspirators. Then kind of escalate it from there. Maybe have Jaime be the one to put her down eventually.

this is def better than the actual ending.

Daenerys should have just targeted the Red Keep and from there a chain reaction of wildfire explosions spread throughout half of Kings Landing, inadvertently fulfilling the Mad Kings plan.

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it went from the most talked about series to being completely forgotten by everyone because of how badly it all ended

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pauIie posted...

i like how one handed jaime (and brienne?) held off the undead army for a whole night while their backs were literally against the wall

I like how they show Jon leaving Sam to die in order to kill the Night King but then he doesn't and Sam is just fine after


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Season 8 retroactively ruined every previous season for me. All of the great subplots of the show mean nothing knowing they will end so stupidly. Seasons 5-7 were nearly as bad as season 8, but at least at the time of their airing there was always hope that season 8 could fix the previous seasons' issues.

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Jaime got done dirty.

Like I know that sort of emotional relapse can be a thing, but that's not how his development went. Same with Dany. If that's how they wanted them to go, it needed more time and better effort.

Edit: like there's a way to make Jaime's decision make sense within his arc and culminate in a tragic "you were so close" moment, but it needed more time to cook and less definitive character moments establishing his growth to make it work.

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Son Of Spam posted...

Season 8 retroactively ruined every previous season for me. All of the great subplots of the show mean nothing knowing they will end so stupidly. Seasons 5-7 were nearly as bad as season 8, but at least at the time of their airing there was always hope that season 8 could fix the previous seasons' issues.

5-7 had a lot of stupid shit with good moments littered throughout them. they were fumbling, but it was entirely possible they could save themselves since there were still a lot of good scenes. then came season 8, and well... yeah

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Welcome to my two year long bitter resentment. I've never felt more like a show knocked on my door and pissed on my foot.

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I like how they didnt put more focus on the Valyrian Steel swords they had and didnt fight against White Walkers, just the undead.

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I still upsets me that they made a season that was so fucking awful it was like they asked people who had no idea about the characters to make it.

Fuck me, nearly everyone did 180 development turns, did the strangest of things in some attempt to fit an already made ending and just ruined the character of everyone/their intelligence to make others look better.

Put me off wanting to ever go back and watch it again, knowing just how bad it gets.

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Although I hate the crap in episodes 4-6, it doesn't bother me too much since I had already mentally shut down after the most powerful and dangerous enemies in the series were beaten by one stabby gurl who can jump real high.

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Freddie_Mercury posted...

I like how they show Jon leaving Sam to die in order to kill the Night King but then he doesn't and Sam is just fine after

i also like how the whole prince that was promised thing ended up being a bullet point to make dany bbq everybody

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pauIie posted...

i like how one handed jaime (and brienne?) held off the undead army for a whole night while their backs were literally against the wall

I feel like literally everyone in that episode died multiple times and then by the beginning of the next episode everyone had just forgotten they died

DarthAragorn posted...

I feel like literally everyone in that episode died multiple times and then by the beginning of the next episode everyone had just forgotten they died

The Dothraki taught them the secrets of immortality.

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I like how D&D fucked with this season so hard so they could move on to Netflix that Netflix said fuck you to them

silver lining. still would've enjoyed a real show though

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DuranOfForcena posted...

Just a small correction, thats not Arthur Dayne

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7 and 8 could have been good if they didn't rush it to all hell and back. Then again, the beyond the wall episode in 7 is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen in my life. The show took a huge nosedive in 6 and then bottomed out in 7 and 8. Absolute horse shit.

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I feel like if around like, season 4-5 if you told someone how the story ended, everyone would be "yeah that sounds great, I can't wait to see how we get there!", its just season 7 and 8 were so rushed that we never got a chance to actually get to the ending and everything felt wrong.

PatrickMahomes posted...

I like how D&D fucked with this season so hard so they could move on to Netflix that Netflix said fuck you to them

silver lining. still would've enjoyed a real show though

They even got booted from Star Wars over this. At least some justice was served.

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

They even got booted from Star Wars over this. At least some justice was served.

It makes it both great and frustrating. They wrapped up and fucked the show to leave for Disney/Netflix, and got booted as a result of rushing. No one won in the end.

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Funkydog posted...

I still upsets me that they made a season that was so fucking awful it was like they asked people who had no idea about the characters to make it.

Fuck me, nearly everyone did 180 development turns, did the strangest of things in some attempt to fit an already made ending and just ruined the character of everyone/their intelligence to make others look better.

Put me off wanting to ever go back and watch it again, knowing just how bad it gets.

I think a big part of the problem was that a bunch of narrative decisions were made based on them wanting to give the actors what they felt was a proper send-off. Biggest victim here is Jaime, who had no reason to actually go back to Cersei other than the production spent so much time with Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Lena Headey together on set that it felt wrong to not have those two actors end up in the scene together.

Basically they did the equivalent of if they brought Sirius Black back from the dead in the last Harry Potter movie just because Gary Oldman is such a charm to work with.

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I didnt absolutely hate it, but it was insanely rushed and deserved better

Not great, but I didnt feel like it completely destroyed the show as bad as something like Dexter did

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Freddie_Mercury posted...

I like how they show Jon leaving Sam to die in order to kill the Night King but then he doesn't and Sam is just fine after

Sam woulda deserved it too after his fat lazy ass got Edd killed

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DuranOfForcena posted...

I will say that I've never understood the hate for Jamie's line there. Jamie always cared about innocents, but he always claimed otherwise. It's in Tywin's first scene of the show.

"I could care less [sic] what people think about me."
"That's what you want people to think about you."

Given that they'd reverted him to his season one self, it makes sense that he said that.

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Kaldrenthebold posted...

7 and 8 could have been good if they didn't rush it to all hell and back. Then again, the beyond the wall episode in 7 is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen in my life. The show took a huge nosedive in 6 and then bottomed out in 7 and 8. Absolute horse shit.

I agree, it was salvageable, but they chose not to.

This is the only series where I watched every episode except the final one.
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It was disappointing but it was still better than most shows, god I hate whiny nerds.

Bleh I tried to forget about that show after that season. Its especially awful they had the audacity to have us wait 2 years for that BS

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metallica846 posted...

Hurrr rocks smash on head.

I think a previous mention of hurrr rocks smash on head was one of the first cracks in the foundation of the show. When Tyrion and Jamie are talking in Tyrion's cell, they talk about a dimwitted cousin who used to spend all day smashing beetles with rocks.

D&D removed the Tysha aspect of Tywin's murder and it's believed that it's because they thought viewers had forgotten about her. This despite the fact that the hurrr rocks smash on head scene could have been used to remind people about her. Without that motivation, Tyrion's character starts to suffer.

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GoT was ruined because the directors wanted to abandon it to direct some star wars movie.

It was hilarious when the SW project was ripped away from them, now they're only known as the guys that fucked up GoT, and are completely unprofessional/unreliable as directors.

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Freddie_Mercury posted...

I like how they show Jon leaving Sam to die in order to kill the Night King but then he doesn't and Sam is just fine after

Lets be honest, Sam should have died a loooooong time ago. They give him plot armor fatter than he is.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

uhh

that's not really the point

thats why I said small correction


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SerperiorThanU posted...

I love the pitch meeting video of it

lol

Just watched it. Brings up a lot of good points, both major and minor.

metallica846 posted...

it was just such a gut punch to have seasons worth of Jaime leading towards a redemption arc only for a huge JK!! in the last few episodes. I know there is many ways to look at it but I think it was a lame decision.

Yeah I feel like they got caught up circle jerking over their idea to have them die like they were born and didnt care how to get there.

Pretty sure they always wanted to do their trope of "hurting the audience and going against expectations" again and fuck us over with the Brienne/Jaime relationship as well, after his knighting her.

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