Board 8 > Is regular ass OG Gundam still worth watching?

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I'm getting the feeling Char is losing his grip now

Hes shooting unarmed civilians and hes coming up with excuses like "I'll just tell them I had a burnt circuit or something"

Also Icelina .....what just happened?

She wanted to Shoot Amuro and.....she just died while on her feet and then fell off the ship

I actually thought Char shot her or something

also she dragged that poor bodyguard to his death

I like how they buried her with the gun, she was clearly not in a right place, why preserve her that way lol

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also her wanting revenge is clearly not gonna be good for his already fragile psyche

I'm sure back then his angst was NEW and crazy for a character

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whoa a BLUE Zaku

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Expect to see a lot of people who think solving emotional problems is done by punching or slapping people

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Webbernet posted...

Expect to see a lot of people who think solving emotional problems is done by punching or slapping people

Ahh Bright Slaps. Truly the biggest boon to the federation.

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Punnyz posted...

who is the guy thats blonde and has sunglasses and is like "i'm here to laugh at you"

if you really, really, realllyyy want to know

that's Char, in Zeta Gundam, not wearing his mask

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I remember someone on b8 had a pic of him on their sig. With some anime girl fawning over him

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yeah it was a b8anime meme way back, me and zea were the ones who popularized it at the time. I can't say for sure 100% but we might actually be the ones who started the meme. I don't remember ever seeing it anywhere else on the internet before this, and now it's like an actual meme that I've seen posted in other places.

that being said if zea told me that he got the meme on some other website I wouldn't be surprised either. my memory of how it started isn't super clear anymore, and we might have just seen the screenshot/meme on some other website while he was doing his zeta gundam watchthrough.

edit:

just checked KnowYourMeme and apparently it was posted to 4chan for the first time in november 2010, and then became popular in november 2011. so it really depends on when zea watched zeta gundam. if he watched it before 2010 then I think it's probably likely he's the person who took the original screenshot and then maybe someone from board 8 posted it to 4chan afterward and it became popular. if he watched zeta gundam after 2010 it's probably just a case where the meme already existed and he saw the image and thought it was funny.


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Amuro went home and his mom wasn't home

uh oh

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Oh there she Is, around the corner

that was dumb

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that was a VERY complex episode, I commend it for that

Amuro's mother is ashamed of him because hes become a violent soldier

but at the same time, Amuro...has no choice, hes fighting for the world.

the Mother can't be naive enough to think this doesn't involve them but at the same time, she has a point, its deeply tragic that this peaceful person has to fight and has changed because of it

it goes in circles and Neither one of them are right nor wrong

Though I will at least say, Amuro IS very unbalanced but still. He went to attack the enemy base and waste their supplies, Bright was not happy about it. But It feels like they've been low on supplies for like 8 episodes now so that issue has lost all meaning

but I digress

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Its easy to forget that Bright is like, 20

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FINALLY the damn military resupplied them

but they admitted that they're purposely leaving them hanging to bring out the desperation in them and data collect their strategies

what a bunch of god damn dicks

Amuro has made it clear many times hes no pilot, that Gundam is doing the work
I wonder when they finally get implemented back into the military forces, they're gonna remove Amuro and try to replace him with a hot shot pilot. "Okay imagine that cool shit but with SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT HES DOING"


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Yeah you've basically reached the point where it's clear that there's no real good guy factions.

The White Base crew are good but their side as a whole isn't that much better than Zeon as a whole.

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interesting episode where it showed some Zeon soldiers wanting to go home, so they act independently to take out the Gundam and almost succeed!

I remember when I was little, I would sometimes root for the villains in Power Rangers because I wanted to see something different. This sort of brought back those memories

those guys deserve to go home lol

They make it a point to say that Gundam is heavily armored, its not made of Gundanium Alloy or something

its just tough as fuck, but there were several times where they were like YOU CANT TAKE ANOTHER HIT LIKE THAT

so seeing them plant the bombs at weak points was an interesting idea. They even found a kink in the shield, that was surprising. I feel like they should've tried that again down the line.

I found it funny they were like "put a bomb where you think its weak" and then they put one on it's crotch

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voltch posted...

Yeah you've basically reached the point where it's clear that there's no real good guy factions.

The White Base crew are good but their side as a whole isn't that much better than Zeon as a whole.

yea, its war. It reminds me of Rogue One where the rebellion did some shady shit too

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thats the thing, the Gun bros are nigh indestructible. I know thats how it is in most Gundam shows but here the drama is that everything AROUND them are squishy and they have to protect them.

Unless going up against someone more experienced, they're....USUALLY not in danger

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god this guy wouldn't shut the fuck up about Salt

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*shows Mirai naked*

Japan:"we must create hentai now"

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so the Zeon prisoner escaped and he was like HEY, CHAR'S SISTER, I CAN HELP YOU ESCAPE

and instead of agreeing and maybe sabotaging his escape later, she was like I"LL SCREAM LAWL

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yeah the gundam can and will take actual damage in battles. it's pretty interesting in that regard. also amuro thinks he is not a pilot but he's definitely a bit of a natural at it. I'd say he's one of the best pilots of all time in the UC. the mere fact that he was able to read the gundam instruction manual in like 5 minutes and then come out swinging after just a few battles speaks for itself, and he has plenty of impressive feats even early on.

maybe I overrate him, someone more knowledgeable about the UC can feel free to correct me on that. but if you compare the limitations of the original gundam vs more advanced models later on, I think it says a lot. like the gap between the gundam and a zaku is a lot smaller, as you mentioned in a lot of other gundam series they are pretty much indestructible, but amuro was able to do a lot even with that gap.


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For pilot tiers Sytha can help, though I often debate these rankings with him.

Amuro is one of the best pilots in the UC, but while his Gundam is an outdated prototype compared to stuff that shows up later on he's also facing far weaker robots.
79 and Zeta tech might as well be a WW1/WW2 gap in what soldiers have to face.

He does have an advantage over other pilots which will come up later on in this series, so there is debate on who is the best with and without that advantage.

I would say the big difference though is that his current Gundam isn't getting serviced. In a bunch of series they get wrecked but it doesn't matter because they can repair at base, he doesn't have the benefit of that. Which makes things all the more remarkable as Zeon just keep chucking resources at him.


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yeah the lack of resupply is another point in his favor that goes along with the smaller tech gap I mentioned. his machine breaks down more easily, isn't getting repaired, and he's fighting units that are closer to his own strength... and still consistently coming out on top with minimal support from the b tier squad.

I didn't want to spoil the newtype thing, but that's one of the reasons I think he is probably the best. even if some other pilots later on will have the same advantages. he pulls off a lot of crazy stunts, even early on in the series. his consistency with one shotting enemy units with the beam rifle early on is really impressive in retrospect, especially when you consider he had barely any experience piloting the gundam at this point and is doing it all on instinct.

lastly, my perception is definitely influenced by super robot wars as a franchise since Amuro always shows up in those games and is always revered as an all time GOAT badass. obviously those games don't have the last say when it comes to the gundam canon, but it's hard to get away from that perception, especially when he pretty much always joins up as a high tier viable unit with strong skills and everyone is talking him up as a legendary pilot.

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Finally done with "Amuro is a pissant" arc and hes back with white base

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Remember that scene in ratatouille where he took the bite and was warped back into his child hood

"We're jumping on to white base"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8zUqP8yu4

That was 12 years ago? Fuck

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Right, this topic made me get around to starting Zeta Gundam, and there's one thing I'm slightly confused about-

Is it supposed to be blindingly obvious that Quattro is Char? I mean, I know that it's a well known 'spoiler', but did the writers assume that everyone watching would realise immediately, or did they think it was a twist? And do the other characters know? Kamille clearly doesn't (as of episode 5, when Quattro 'name-drops' Char), but what about the AEUG members who've been working with him for a while?
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"Hand to hand combat"

I REMEMBER SEEING THIS ONE ON TOONAMI

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so its time for a bunch of white base soldiers i've never seen before to just die

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The only reason I wouldn't put Amuro at the very top of the is because we've also seen him fight with much more modern mobile suits later on, which did give us some comparison points against other pilots. Personally I've got Kamille as the most talented UC pilot even if he doesn't want any part of it by the end, he faced a more dangerous set of opponents as Zeta just escalated the darker elements of the series.
Though Uso is another contender for best as Victory had him kinda keep improving at a really fast rate and by the end he was p OP.

BlackMageJawa posted...

Right, this topic made me get around to starting Zeta Gundam, and there's one thing I'm slightly confused about-

Is it supposed to be blindingly obvious that Quattro is Char? I mean, I know that it's a well known 'spoiler', but did the writers assume that everyone watching would realise immediately, or did they think it was a twist? And do the other characters know? Kamille clearly doesn't (as of episode 5, when Quattro 'name-drops' Char), but what about the AEUG members who've been working with him for a while?

Yes, we know what Char looks like before Zeta, his outfit's colour scheme and his voice actor.

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yall stop talkin about spoilers you sluts

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Man Pilot tiers?

Amuro is one of the best in the UC easily, he gets better as the timeline moves on. The only UC Pilot that is even debatable is Uso from Victory.

Outside of UC there are some pretty good choices out there.

Kira Yamato jumps out right away. A lot of Seed/Destiny pilots are actually pretty outstanding but there is no doubt who is king of the hill over there.
Asemu Asuno is definitely up there too. (With honestly the best set of feats IMO.)
Heero, Zechs and Wufei from the Wing Universe have pretty impressive feats. I think I would give the edge overall there to Zechs but I don't think I would put them above Asemu or Kira.
Then there is also the whole how to you rate Domon or any of the Build Fighters characters like the Meijin.

(Funniest things is Both Kira and Asemu are balantly Amuro inspired in a lot of ways more so than of the other Gundam Protaginasts. Asemu even has the same nickname IIRC. White Devil.)

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so I guess Mandela effect

I could've sworn there was a burial scene at the end of Hand to Hand combat where they buried their dead comrades but it wasn't there


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okay well Ryu is fucking dead, of course the brown fat guy is expendable

but they were all mourning among the wreckage

maybe thats what I was thinking of

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So Stacheman and Blonde lady are both dead

I was JUST about to ask "What about the Blue Zaku" and it just got unceremoniously destroyed in the beginning of the episode

well so much for that

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So um, Random naked Frau

what the fuck, man

I'm not against some tiddies but like, theres a time and a place for that

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okay so What the FUCK Japan

so like, Naked Frau is bathing the kids....I don't naked Kids is a purity thing in Japan but its still fucking weird, I have to close the blinds at my window

but anyways, they kids start running around and the girl falls and starts crying. Then one of the boys says "Now you have be cleaned again" while feeling her chest

then she cries

something is off

OH btw I'm watching all of this Dubbed, Amuro is light yagami and Scott Mcneil occasionally shows up

but anyways, I switched to the japanese version and the boy ACTUALLy says "You both are girls, right? Why is she so flat?" and thats when he starts feeling up the girls chest

god fuck you Japan

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For what it's worth I distinctly remember being weirded out by this moment as well. The only thing I can say is that uhhh... I guess adults needing to help kids bathing is not really a super abnormal activity. and Japan is a lot more casual about what they will show in something like this. But yeah the flipside to that argument is just because something happens in real life doesn't mean the audience wants to see it, it doesn't mean you need to show it, and some kind of director made the decision to include that scene. So I dunno if there's really any defending it.

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Japanese family bathing with each other is something I've accepted probably happens

if she was just washing the children, fine

but to squeeze in a flat joke on a 4 year old girl complete with rubbing her chest, like I said, fuck you.

The boy wasn't like, Groping her going AWOOOGAAA or something, but still

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yeah the scene is definitely cringe. I actually forgot all about it though since it's such a minor thing, it didn't really stick with me.

it's impossible to know what tomino was really thinking.

you could try to give him credit and say he was just showing how the kids on the ship are innocent, totally unaware of the danger they are in -- acting immature and making stupid jokes while playing around. on the other hand you could totally say he is a creep who was just looking for an excuse to have his animators put this kind of scene into a high budget production.

as I said before, I don't really think there's any defending the inclusion since I don't personally think it adds anything to the story, and showing it is just mildly weird at best. all that being said I guess it's a reality you have to accept when you consume media from other cultures. sometimes their standards are different in ways you might not expect, and you'll be exposed to things that are innocuous to others but will make you uncomfortable.

lastly, I'm actually surprised you think family bathing is a japanese thing. I can think of numerous examples of people I've known with kids who either supervise them, help them with bathing, or even assist in washing them directly depending on how young the child is. maybe other people can correct me on this but I don't think it's a uniquely japanese experience that kids would need supervision and/or help with bathing.


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my mom used to bathe us separately from herself so I'm speaking from experience

also I recall they wanted to remove the bathing scene in My Neighbor Totoro because they thought Americans would not like it but Ghibli was like bitch keep it in

so I thought it was a foreign thing with that in mind too

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oh yeah the aspect of the adults bathing at the same time as children is definitely weird. I thought you were more just saying that the adults supervising a child or children while bathing was a japanese thing. but like I said, I mostly forgot about this scene. probably because it was so cringe I didn't want to think about it lol


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nonono meant at the same time

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Bathe with me onee-san

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I dunno what it is

but Mirai could get it

....I guess thats what the animators thought when they gave her a random nude scene

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RIP Lt. Matilda

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Mirai is thicc

IIRC Matilda is the one that Amuro had a crush on? I think that's one of the points where I was talking about how the character development in this series is pretty subtle and different from storytelling in more modern anime/TV. if you pay attention to how Amuro acts toward authority figures before he meets Matilda, after he meets her, and after she dies, his behavior toward authority, toward bright, and toward the war, changes at each of these stages. it's pretty neat once you notice it, but it's not something where the series makes him sit down and monologue about how the way he was acting before was wrong, and how he's gonna act differently now. he just starts acting different.


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I actually was gonna originally say "she has a certain thickness I like"

lol

and yes, the red head that Amuro was crushing on

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also I loved that they can change into Gundam out in the middle of the battle field now. Provided they have some cover that is

Sure, sometimes a jet does the job but I think they should START with gundam every time

but this is the next best thing

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You do have to advertise toys!
It's a miracle how good that first season ended up being after all the patchwork they had to do.

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speaking of which they brought back the Gunhammer lol

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