Poll of the Day > QAnon Shaman says Trump has BETRAYED his PEOPLE for NOT PARDONING him!!!

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33 y/o Jacob Anthony Chansley, aka QAnon Bald Shaman is now saying he was DUPED by President Trump into participating in the January 6 Capitol Riots after Trump FAILED to PARDON him!!

He is held without bail on fed charges in Phoenix as his lawyer tells Dailymail says Trump's failure to pardon him was a "betrayal" to everyone in the conservative movement!!

This seems to be his defense strategy for many of the people charged as he is essentially laying blame at Trump's feet claiming he was merely following Trump's instructions

93 people have been charged as Chansley's lawyer, Albert S. Watkins says "Mr Chansley is not alone. We all are compelled to be introspective about our role in creating and permitting an environment where believing the words of a president is criminally actionalbe"

Watkins argues that Trump drew him to a web of lies but said Trump's lack of action to during the riot and to issue pardons was a wake up call to his client

He said "My client is understandably compelled to reconcile the words of the former president with the subsequent actions of the former president. The reconciliation of a betrayal necessarily requires the bellying up to the bar by the betrayed to acknowledge their role in making themselves ripe for betrayal"

He said Chansley regrets "very very much" having been duped by the President as many others like him failed to get a pardon at the last day of his presidency

During the day of the riot, Trump vowed he would march with them to the Capitol but FAILED to do so and flew the coop leaving the rest of them to do his bidding and now many are facing years in prison because of him.

Chansley says Trump's failure to acknowledge what is going to happen to them was a huge awakening to him and many to his followers

Do you think these Trump supporters are morons?

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They are really trying to make a case against trump.

But but but Antifa

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You'd have to be dumber than Trump to think he's smart and powerful. He's stupid and weak. It was pretty obvious. He was already hated by old money and new money alike. Now he's hated by no money too.

BlackScythe0 posted...

They are really trying to make a case against trump.

Can you really blame them? The pardon list says it all. Trump didn't pardon his supporters who he gaslighted for months to save his own ego, nor did he pardon Assange who helped him win the election by leaking Hillary's emails, however he did pardon Bannon who embezzled money from Trump supporters. It makes it expressly clear to even the dumbest of people that Trump did not care an iota about his fanbase and even actively hates them, so why would you support a guy that not only failed to do anything meaningful as a president, but actively hates you?

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What does he mean "his people"? >_>

Full Throttle posted...

33 y/o Jacob Anthony Chansley, aka QAnon Bald Shaman is now saying he was DUPED by President Trump into participating in the January 6 Capitol Riots after Trump FAILED to PARDON him!!

roflmao... Trump didn't do shit. He didn't order anybody to storm the capitol building, they did that on their own and they gotta face their own consequences for breaking into the building.

Full Throttle posted...

93 people have been charged as Chansley's lawyer, Albert S. Watkins says "Mr Chansley is not alone. We all are compelled to be introspective about our role in creating and permitting an environment where believing the words of a president is criminally actionalbe"

Even overlooking that nobody ordered him to do anything, the Nuremberg Trials conclusively demonstrated that "I was only following orders" isn't a viable defense.

Full Throttle posted...

Do you think these Trump supporters are morons?

I think they're the same as any other rioters; they decided to break the law en masse on the assumption they'd get away with it because there were so many of them (probably because they saw how little had to been done to other rioters in recent years) and were carried away in the moment. And honestly, for Trump to pardon them would go against his position of being a law & order president.

DragonClaw01 posted...

nor did he pardon Assange who helped him win the election by leaking Hillary's emails

lolwut? Assange was already wanted for a million other leaks, including blowing the lid off Obama's covert spying programs and Obama's illegal drone assassination program. Assange didn't do anything to "help" Trump, he acted in the public interest (but, as we've repeatedly learned, the public isn't interested -- if they were, would Biden be president? He was Obama's VP when Obama was attacking the American people at home and abroad. In fact, if America had an informed, engaged voting population, none of the previous ten or twenty presidents would have made it into office and a lunatic like Bernie Sanders wouldn't have even made it into the primaries).

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Imagine thinking Trump has his own people. He'd throw his own children under the bus if he thought it would benefit him.

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Stand back and stand by

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I don't think this guy was there to support Trump.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

They are really trying to make a case against trump.

It won't work though. At least in this case. Trump didn't say to storm the capitol.
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Revelation34 posted...

Trump didn't say to storm the capitol.

Since when do they care about what he said? It's always been about what they can twist it into.
What did he mean by "Be there"? In DC, or in that specific room where the senators meet?

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I don't think this guy was there to support Trump.

Fuck off dude

Those imbecilic fuck-bags have no place saying anything about betrayal when they're all traitors to their own country.

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Let us always remember that Trump's biggest gripe w/ the January 6 insurrection (after the fact that it failed) was that the MAGA mob looked "low class".
Honestly, just picturing the amount of salty bitterness, anger, and sense of betrayal these terrorist fuckers must be experiencing right now makes me so freaking happy. Like damn, it just feels so good!

Shadowbird_RH posted...

Those imbecilic fuck-bags have no place saying anything about betrayal when they're all traitors to their own country.

The rest of the MAGA morons have already written these guys off as Antifa supporters in a false flag operation, too. It's happened repeatedly, every time the true believers on the far right get hit with a harsh dose of reality and legal peril, they're immediately thrown under the bus and labeled as "secretly liberal all along" by the rest. They see it happen over and over and over, and the rest continue to remain enthralled.
It's equal parts pathetic and disturbing.

First of all, you'd have to be a fool to trust a politician.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I don't think this guy was there to support Trump.

Yes he was, clown @SKARDAVNELNATE

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GhettoFlip posted...

Yes he was, clown @SKARDAVNELNATE

The people that entered the meeting hall didn't do it on behalf of Trump. They did it because they lost faith in the government. I've heard that representatives were objecting to the election results before they entered. These people lost faith that the objections would lead anywhere. Trump has been a symbol of defiance against an authoritarian government. They didn't care about Trump. They entered the meeting hall to be the symbol of defiance themselves.

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No, a great many of those people were there because that was their sense of belonging, their sense of purpose, and even so much as questioning Trump was tantamount blasphemy. In other words, they were a cult looking to have their voices heard, some with more force or violence than others, and now they've been branded, all, as a consequence. Trump left them all to rot because he had no further use for them, seeing as though they weren't going to be paying him any more money he desperately needs. The people that entered that hall did so either because of malicious intent in the name of Trump, or because they were part of the group, regardless of what they wanted to say or do once they'd gotten there.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

The people that entered the meeting hall didn't do it on behalf of Trump. They did it because they lost faith in the government. I've heard that representatives were objecting to the election results before they entered. These people lost faith that the objections would lead anywhere. Trump has been a symbol of defiance against an authoritarian government. They didn't care about Trump. They entered the meeting hall to be the symbol of defiance themselves.

Of course the objections wouldn't lead anywhere, they were blatantly unconstitutional and without merit.

Also wtf is wrong with you? They were terrorists fighting for an authoritarian government. They said they were there for Trump.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

The people that entered the meeting hall didn't do it on behalf of Trump.

Yes they did.

They did it because they lost faith in the government. I've heard that representatives were objecting to the election results before they entered. These people lost faith that the objections would lead anywhere.

That's because a minority of representatives not liking the results of a free and fair democratic election decided by a majority in both electoral and popular votes was NEVER going to lead anywhere.
Throwing a fucking tantrum because the voting didn't go how you liked doesn't get to overturn the fucking election.

Trump has been a symbol of defiance against an authoritarian government. They didn't care about Trump. They entered the meeting hall to be the symbol of defiance themselves.

Trump IS the authoritarian government.
Assembling an angry armed mob to assault the Capitol building and intimidate Congress into going against the will of the electorate is the authoritarian action.
They were defying democracy. By being authoritarian.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Fuck off dude

Go easy on him, his brain is SKARD.

No but seriously if you think he wasn't there to support Trump you are delusional and idk what to say to you.

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Yellow posted...

Go easy on him, his brain is SKARD.

Nah I'm tired of this conspiracy bull shit. They make up nonsense and every time some reality gets shoved in their face they just go "well they were never really on our side"

streamofthesky posted...

the results of a free and fair democratic election

That is very much in dispute. The event we're discussing was the result of officials refusing to acknowledge that it was in dispute.

streamofthesky posted...

Assembling and angry armed mob to assault the Capitol building

1) Trump didn't do that. By "be there" he meant "in DC", not in that specific room.
2) Trump has been offering to defend cities against angry armed mobs for the past year.

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Yeah they make up literally any excuse they can think of

I wonder what's so unappealing about leftism though. The real civil rights left. I never have to make excuses for my leaders like these guys do, and as a bonus I get to stick to issues instead of meaningless drama.

Sure is nice over here. Just saying!

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

That is very much in dispute.

This is a lie.

The event we're discussing was the result of officials refusing to acknowledge that it was in dispute.

No this was a result of people living in a false reality and believing lies told by a man who held the highest office in the land who had the resources to find the evidence and yet could not provide even a single shred of evidence to support the claim.

1) Trump didn't do that. By "be there" he meant "in DC", not in that specific room.
2) Trump has been offering to defend cities against angry armed mobs for the past year.

And refused to defend the capitol when people were begging for the national guard.

Yellow posted...

I wonder what's so unappealing about leftism though. The real civil rights left. I never have to make excuses for my leaders like these guys do, and as a bonus I get to stick to issues instead of meaningless drama.

What passes for the left right now is more about silencing dissidents. They don't have to make excuses because they don't acknowledge that there is an issue.

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streamofthesky posted...

Assembling an angry armed mob to assault the Capitol building

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streamofthesky posted...

Let us always remember that Trump's biggest gripe w/ the January 6 insurrection (after the fact that it failed) was that the MAGA mob looked "low class".

Let us all remember that it was yet another completely unsubstantiated claim from an unnamed source that the #NeverTrumpers swallowed hook, line, and sucker just like they've swallowed every other lie despite demanding something more regarding anonymous claims about Obama just a few years earlier.

streamofthesky posted...

Trump IS the authoritarian government.

*cue laugh track*

You bitch about Trump's mean tweets despite just a few years earlier giving Obama a free pass on raiding news offices, tapping journalists' phones, TORTURING a whistleblower, spying on the entire nation (and then trying some illegal shit to get the whistleblower who outed that, including -- if some reports are accurate -- an attempted assassination), etc.

If anything, the US was LESS authoritarian under Trump because many of the most repressive government agencies were either scaled back, undermined, or hamstringed (although the Democrats deserve at least some of that credit, since they'd rather see vital posts left vacant than put in Trump appointees)

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Zeus posted...

If anything, the US was LESS authoritarian under Trump because many of the most repressive government agencies were either scaled back, undermined, or hamstringed (although the Democrats deserve at least some of that credit, since they'd rather see vital posts left vacant than put in Trump appointees)

Freeing the slaves by killing them isn't more free

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

they don't acknowledge that there is an issue.

This totally doesn't apply to the right though. Nope, not at all. I'm joking btw.

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Zeus posted...

What does he mean "his people"? >_>

roflmao... Trump didn't do shit. He didn't order anybody to storm the capitol building, they did that on their own and they gotta face their own consequences for breaking into the building.

Even overlooking that nobody ordered him to do anything, the Nuremberg Trials conclusively demonstrated that "I was only following orders" isn't a viable defense.

I think they're the same as any other rioters; they decided to break the law en masse on the assumption they'd get away with it because there were so many of them (probably because they saw how little had to been done to other rioters in recent years) and were carried away in the moment. And honestly, for Trump to pardon them would go against his position of being a law & order president.

lolwut? Trump was anything but Law and Order.

lolwut? Assange was already wanted for a million other leaks, including blowing the lid off Obama's covert spying programs and Obama's illegal drone assassination program. Assange didn't do anything to "help" Trump, he acted in the public interest (but, as we've repeatedly learned, the public isn't interested -- if they were, would Biden be president? He was Obama's VP when Obama was attacking the American people at home and abroad. In fact, if America had an informed, engaged voting population, none of the previous ten or twenty presidents would have made it into office and a lunatic like Bernie Sanders wouldn't have even made it into the primaries).

None of those things were approved by Obama. It was the NSA doing it on their own.

Revelation34 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79254191#10

Is it difficult being you on a daily basis? It must be hard to bail on real life conversations when you get proven wrong like you do with the ones on this board.

Trump doesn't really have "people". He has rubes that he continuously grifts.

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kind9 posted...

This totally doesn't apply to the right though. Nope, not at all. I'm joking btw.

This reminds me of a phrase. Looking it up it's called Hanlon's razor.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

Both are incompetent. They see something must be done. They are doing something. Therefore they must be getting something done.

The right aren't getting anything done. The officials know there is an issue. They appear to address it by holding hearings and such. They don't know how to actually solve it.

The left are also malicious. Not only is what they get done the wrong thing but the negative impact of their policies are exactly what they intend. They tell people it's a positive and refuse to accept when people tell them otherwise.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

What passes for the left right now is more about silencing dissidents. They don't have to make excuses because they don't acknowledge that there is an issue.

No, it's single payer healthcare, ending wars, reducing income inequality by increasing taxes on the rich, and it has been for the last 80 years.

If someone tells you the left is about silencing people your world view is a joke. And you share the same world view that the right has used to herd people against civil rights for the last 80. We support all whistleblowers.

If you're talking about the Trump Twitter ban thing, that was 8 tech corporations, not Bernie Sanders, but I hardly sympathize with him anyway.

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Trump cares only for himself. He was never going to prdon them because then they can all freely testify against him if charges were brought against him for inciting the sedition they engaged in. If they are pardoned there is no more 5th amendment protections.

trump probably did not intentionally incite them to violence, he uses his words as rhetoric to gain support for his name his ego and his brand without any Thought of the consequences of them.

even if trumps motivations are for himself and not for America he is at least doing the right thing In tossing these seditionists aside like the garbage they are.

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Cacciato posted...

Is it difficult being you on a daily basis? It must be hard to bail on real life conversations when you get proven wrong like you do with the ones on this board.

That would be why you were a failed soldier since you don't understand the constitution you are supposed to protect.
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Revelation34 posted...

That would be why you were a failed soldier since you don't understand the constitution you are supposed to protect.

Yeah, definitely failed with that completion of a contract and an honorable discharge.

you should definitely sign up. You need all the education assistance you can get. Probably would help you finish arguments instead of bailing when you get shut down.

hell, the alcohol abuse alone might finally drive home the difference between wet and dry counties to you.

Revelation34 posted...

That would be why you were a failed soldier since you don't understand the constitution you are supposed to protect.

They wouldn't even let you in.

I don't think the Constitution says we're allowed to incite an insurrection as long as we're the president and we really hate losing.

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Zeus posted...

if they were, would Biden be president?

uh, yes

the public expressly elected biden specifically because they were interested in him more than trump.

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Yellow posted...

They wouldn't even let you in.

I don't think the Constitution says we're allowed to incite an insurrection as long as we're the president and we really hate losing.

Free speech under the constitution means that Trump would have needed to have directly stated to storm the capitol in order for it to be inciting speech.
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that is not what free speech does

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Joe_Biden posted...

that is not what free speech does

It means what he said isn't inciting speech.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ORZ_iwO3w

"Stop the steal"

LMAO. What do you think he was trying to do? How exactly were they going to stop the steal without storming the capitol?

This argument is pathetic.

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Revelation34 posted...

It means what he said isn't inciting speech.

again, not what free speech does or means so there's no reason to bring that up at all

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Yellow posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ORZ_iwO3w

"Stop the steal"

LMAO. What do you think he was trying to do? How exactly were they going to stop the steal without storming the capitol?

This argument is pathetic.

So where did he directly say to storm the capitol?

Nothing will legally happen since direct speech is what has to happen.
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What's a shaman of a Reddit cult? A mod?
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Revelation34 posted...

Free speech under the constitution means that Trump would have needed to have directly stated to storm the capitol in order for it to be inciting speech.

How are you this fucking stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwqAInN9HWI&t=36s

Revelation34 posted...

since direct speech is what has to happen.

again, not at all how that works

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