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Doom literally created a genre lol

Of those, only doom and Mario are massively influential.

Shouldve had Quake on the list, arguably even more important to game development than Doom.

SM64 for the influence it had on 3D games I guess

CouldBeAnAlt posted...

Doom literally created a genre lol

No it didn't

Doom.

FPS's wouldn't be the genre it is without Doom.
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Its gotta be Mario 64, Doom, or MGS

I went with Mario 64. It was basically the template on how to make a 3D game.

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I was curious which came first for being a 3d landmark, quake or sm64, apparently quake came out literally the day before

It's Doom, easily.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Of those, only doom and Mario are massively influential.

this
who the heck picked oot >_>

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

I was curious which came first for being a 3d landmark, quake or sm64, apparently quake came out literally the day before

loool

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MGS the longer time goes on

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

No it didn't

It pretty much did. It wasn't the first but for a while these games used to be called doomlikes

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Was it Wolfenstein or Unreal
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RadiantJoyrock posted...

I was curious which came first for being a 3d landmark, quake or sm64, apparently quake came out literally the day before

Descent was even before quake. That was the first playable commercial 3D game.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

It pretty much did. It wasn't the first but for a while these games used to be called doomlikes

Doom clones actually, I was around then. It certainly popularized the genre and for damn good reason, but the genre had been around for over a decade in various forms.

CouldBeAnAlt posted...

Doom literally created a genre lol

No it didn't

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Doom clones actually, I was around then. It certainly popularized the genre and for damn good reason, but the genre had been around for over a decade in various forms.

Err not really. The first one was Catacomb 3D in 91. Wolfenstein 3D came out in 92.

The first person view itself is older going as far back as Wizardry 1 but it's not a shooter.

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Doom

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Descent was even before quake. That was the first playable commercial 3D game.

Descent was a marvel, but not fully 3d, it still used a lot of sprite work and did more trickery than actually creating a 3d engine. Quake, on the other hand, you can still find little bits of its DNA in modern 3d games, not to mention the monumental step forward it was for online multi-player.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Descent was a marvel, but not fully 3d, it still used a lot of sprite work and did more trickery than actually creating a 3d engine. Quake, on the other hand, you can still find little bits of its DNA in modern 3d games, not to mention the monumental step forward it was for online multi-player.

Descent was also online multiplayer and only the powerups, weapons, and hostages were sprites. Quake was "full 3D" but that seems like a poor distinction. Modding in a 2D sprite into quake doesn't suddenly change the game.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Err not really. The first one was Catacomb 3D in 91. Wolfenstein 3D came out in 92.

The first person view itself is older going as far back as Wizardry 1 but it's not a shooter.

The first fos was maze war back in the 70s, and battlezone was the first commercially available fos, back in 1980.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Descent was also online multiplayer and only the powerups, weapons, and hostages were sprites. Quake was "full 3D" but that seems like a poor distinction. Modding in a 2D sprite into quake doesn't suddenly change the game.

Its not having online multi-player that was huge(that was actually doom that brought that to the genre mainstream iirc, though I believe some other did it first) but quake completely rebuilt how games connect to make it far easier and more streamlined, while being doable at a large scale. I dont think there has ever been a game that was as much of a technological leap as quake.

Doom created a genre, Super Mario 64 created the next 25 years of gaming.
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Imo, Mario 64.
Mario helps influence games to this day. The only other on there that I'd even consider near it is Doom


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EffectAndCause posted...

Doom created a genre, Super Mario 64 created the next 25 years of gaming.

Doom didn't create a genre

EffectAndCause posted...

Doom created a genre

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Super Mario 64 and Oot Zelda were created alongside each other and both influenced how 3D games would be played.

Doom did the same thing for the FPS genre and forced players to thing about 3D space, without actually being in real 3D.

You can't really say that any of these games are more influential than any others when elements from all of these games can be found in any modern 3D game.

If I had to choose though, Super Mario 64 blew away everybody at the time and probably sold more systems than Doom ever did, despite Doom being ported to everything including WonderSwan and digital cameras. Though that might be a testament to Doom's appeal also.

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Mario 64, it's not even close.

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dave_is_slick posted...

Mario 64, it's not even close.

Joke post tbqh. Doom is just as influential, if not more.

Wii_Shaker posted...

If I had to choose though, Super Mario 64 blew away everybody at the time and probably sold more systems than Doom ever did, despite Doom being ported to everything including WonderSwan and digital cameras. Though that might be a testament to Doom's appeal also.

To be fair Doom kinda broke the internet when it was released >.>;

There wasn't an internet when doom released it was still pretty much all BBS and localized wans

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Tyranthraxus posted...

There wasn't an internet when doom released it was still pretty much all BBS and localized wans

This is absolutely wrong

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Joke post tbqh.

Absolutely not. The joke is you thinking it's a joke. It pioneered how to move around in a 3D world, how objects and slopes and things like that should interact. It gave the blueprint for basically all gaming afterward. Doom is a shooter.

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It's doom to anyone not biased

Voted Doom but SM64 is up there. Other games don't even come fucking close


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dave_is_slick posted...

Absolutely not. The joke is you thinking it's a joke. It pioneered how to move around in a 3D world, how objects and slopes and things like that should interact. It gave the blueprint for basically all gaming afterward. Doom is a shooter.

Its influence is huge for sure, but doom pioneered a genre, and also pioneered online multi-player and online communities for games, with its mod scene being so popular its still to this day one of the most active in gaming.

Also, another shooter, Quake, is also arguably more influential, being the cornerstone of modern 3d engines and modern online multi-player.

Doom was big, but I didn't go with it because wolfenstein

M64 > Doom > OoT > FF7 > MGS

Only in influence

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gotta go with Doom tbh

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Doom for sure . For the rest of the decade after its release , fps games were called Doom clones .
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Doom was the most influential, but FF7/OOT/SM64 were all more monumental. IMO OOT the most out of all of them.

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I'd say Doom popularised a genre. It wasn't the first FPS but it took elements of the previous games, improved them, made it atmospheric and included excellent sound design etc.
It really was a fantastic and genre defining game.


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OOT was literally built on top of SM64 so anyone saying that is pretty much automatically wrong

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Tyranthraxus posted...

OOT was literally built on top of SM64 so anyone saying that is pretty much automatically wrong

It's why I put it third.

That said Z-Targeting is a big deal so that alone is a good reason to put it above the other 2, which didn't do as much innovative stuff but be in 3d.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Its influence is huge for sure, but doom pioneered a genre, and also pioneered online multi-player and online communities for games, with its mod scene being so popular its still to this day one of the most active in gaming.

Also, another shooter, Quake, is also arguably more influential, being the cornerstone of modern 3d engines and modern online multi-player.

WIthout Doom there is no Quake.

jsb0714 posted...

WIthout Doom there is no Quake.

I wasn't arguing for Quake over Doom, just suggesting it was another super influential FPS

LepartialJury posted...

Biased on what?

Nostalgia mostly.