Current Events > 2020: >19,000 people in the US killed by shootings, firearm related incidents

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Monolith1676
01/30/21 3:53:38 PM
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https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-year/

2021 seems to be on track for outdoing 2020.

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Monolith1676
01/30/21 10:01:29 PM
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Bump

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Aki_Sora
01/30/21 10:03:54 PM
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Murica Gun First Human Second
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Monolith1676
01/31/21 8:20:47 AM
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Aki_Sora posted...
Murica Gun First Human Second

I would hazard a guess and say 75% to 80% of the deaths were caused by people that were not legally allowed to have a gun.

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Flauros
01/31/21 8:21:33 AM
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Monolith1676
01/31/21 8:24:36 AM
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Flauros posted...
arent a large amount of those usually suicides?

No, this figure does not include suicides.

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 2:50:42 AM
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Rumpo

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Lord_Shadow_19
02/01/21 3:02:05 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
No, this figure does not include suicides.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

https://gun-control.procon.org/us-gun-deaths-by-year/

Their sources include suicides. I understand that you have to be dishonest to paint the narrative you want to paint, but when the sources are linked right in the article, it's stupid to do this.

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 3:04:05 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
I would hazard a guess and say 75% to 80% of the deaths were caused by people that were not legally allowed to have a gun.

This isn't usually how it works.

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:05:25 AM
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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

https://gun-control.procon.org/us-gun-deaths-by-year/

Their sources include suicides. I understand that you have to be dishonest to paint the narrative you want to paint, but when the sources are linked right in the article, it's stupid to do this.

@Lord_Shadow_19 The article states "This total includes victims of homicides and unintentional deaths but does not include gun suicides."

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:05:51 AM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
This isn't usually how it works.

What do you mean?

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Lord_Shadow_19
02/01/21 3:07:51 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
@Lord_Shadow_19 The article states "This total includes victims of homicides and unintentional deaths but does not include gun suicides."

Their source suggests otherwise, homicides did not straight up double from previous years

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 3:09:42 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
What do you mean?

The majority of gun deaths are caused by legally owned firearms.

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:11:30 AM
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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...


Their source suggests otherwise, homicides did not straight up double from previous years

Unfortunately in some places it did and others came close. Chicago had 492 in 2019 and as of December 1st of 2020 had over 700.

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:13:34 AM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
The majority of gun deaths are caused by legally owned firearms.

Hahaha, you are a funny guy.

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 3:15:43 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
Hahaha, you are a funny guy.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:17:44 AM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/

Hence the words MASS SHOOTINGS. Mass shootings occur a barely a fraction of the amount of times a plain gun murder happens.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/12/john-faso/do-illegal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 3:26:00 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
Hence the words MASS SHOOTINGS. Mass shootings occur a barely a fraction of the amount of times a plain gun murder happens.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/12/john-faso/do-illegal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/

The methodology there is seriously flawed-- only using convicted "inmates" and data 17 years old. That's also an assessment of a carefully cultivated statement which doesn't take into account legal acquisition in neighboring states. Also, ignoring suicides and accidents. You like being led around by the NRA?

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Mr_Rian
02/01/21 3:27:18 AM
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Neither of you can provide accurate info because we don't really know. We can only guess, ask, surmise, and assume. And it varies all over. It's almost a moot point.

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:30:15 AM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
The methodology there is seriously flawed-- only using convicted "inmates" and data 17 years old. That's also an assessment of a carefully cultivated statement which doesn't take into account legal acquisition in neighboring states.

Gun laws in some places have become more strict in some places so the numbers would have to increase and not decrease in the time span. It is a simple fact that most gun crime is committed by people who aren't legally allowed to have guns.

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 3:37:02 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
Gun laws in some places have become more strict in some places so the numbers would have to increase and not decrease in the time span. It is a simple fact that most gun crime is committed by people who aren't legally allowed to have guns.

At least the ones that get caught. Either way, according to your own sources, it's closer to 65% than 75-80%.

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:39:28 AM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
At least the ones that get caught. Either way, according to your own sources, it's closer to 65% than 75-80%.

It could still be 65%. I am still willing to go with 75% with the drastic increase in homicides this past year.

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 3:43:57 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
It could still be 65%. I am still willing to go with 75% with the drastic increase in homicides this past year.

Possible? I doubt it. If anything we likely saw an increase in lethal domestic disputes.

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:47:44 AM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
Possible? I doubt it. If anything we likely saw an increase in lethal domestic disputes.

That did happen and human trafficking saw an increase as well.

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 3:50:01 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
human trafficking saw an increase as well.

... huh. I was perplexed by this for a second, but it makes sense. If no one saw or heard from me for two weeks this last year, no one would've noticed except maybe my sister and my RPG group.

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Lost_All_Senses
02/01/21 3:52:10 AM
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Mr_Rian posted...
Neither of you can provide accurate info because we don't really know. We can only guess, ask, surmise, and assume. And it varies all over. It's almost a moot point.

You realize where you are right? They just need a couple pages with some numbers on them and they'll go all night. Sometimes the numbers aren't even attached to anything.

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Monolith1676
02/01/21 3:54:05 AM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
... huh. I was perplexed by this for a second, but it makes sense. If no one saw or heard from me for two weeks this last year, no one would've noticed except maybe my sister and my RPG group.

Exactly. I am thinking my friend's neighbors are either dead or who knows. There Christmas decorations are still up, the blinds are partially open, they have a piece of paper in the front door that has been there for months and their garbage is never put out anymore.

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GS4Life
02/01/21 3:55:26 AM
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Aki_Sora posted...
Murica Gun First Human Second
I'm a strong believer in personal freedoms but human lives don't matter much in a Capitalist Society. Covid and racial issues more than exposed that, I think guns are more so a symptom of the problem.

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 3:58:49 AM
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GS4Life posted...
I think guns are more so a symptom of the problem.

To a point. America fetishizes guns and it makes killing easy to do. 50% of the gun enthusiasts I know-- not owners, enthusiasts-- are exactly the kind of dumbass that can't be trusted with a potato gun. So while they're a symptom, they're the reason our dumbasses are more dangerous than other wealthy countries' dumbasses. Guns exacerbate the problem.


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Rika_Furude
02/01/21 4:00:29 AM
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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 4:03:32 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
guns have more rights than humans in america

If they did they couldn't be voluntarily given up and destroyed after manufacture. We'd have to get police to do it during traffic stops.

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Lord_Shadow_19
02/01/21 4:18:49 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
Unfortunately in some places it did and others came close. Chicago had 492 in 2019 and as of December 1st of 2020 had over 700.

Interesting.

vigorm0rtis posted...
The methodology there is seriously flawed-- only using convicted "inmates" and data 17 years old. That's also an assessment of a carefully cultivated statement which doesn't take into account legal acquisition in neighboring states. Also, ignoring suicides and accidents. You like being led around by the NRA?

1) legal gun owners such as myself are among the most law abiding citizens in the US.

2) as for the NRA, they are not the boogeyman you seem to think they are, and they have great instructors.

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vigorm0rtis
02/01/21 4:31:12 AM
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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...


1) legal gun owners such as myself are among the most law abiding citizens in the US.

2) as for the NRA, they are not the boogeyman you seem to think they are, and they have great instructors.

1) Gun owners are not more or less likely to be law abiding. Studies that suggest so have universally been found to lack empirical evidence. The most popular for this spurious notion is Lott's More Guns, Less Crime which has been repeatedly found to have questionable methodology.

2) The NRA isn't a boogeyman, but it is a lobby, and not a lobby for your 2nd Amendment rights. It's a lobby for the gun manufacturing industry, and it fans the flames of paranoia to drive gun sales. They have decent instructors, but not so good that you need to go to them to find a good one.

I have guns, too. I don't feel a need to stick my head in the sand because I do.


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ZevLoveDOOM
02/01/21 4:34:31 AM
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Murica: where gun stores are treated like churches.
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ShyOx
02/01/21 4:40:31 AM
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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...
Interesting.

1) legal gun owners such as myself are among the most law abiding citizens in the US.

2) as for the NRA, they are not the boogeyman you seem to think they are, and they have great instructors.

1) wut

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Smackems
02/01/21 4:48:36 AM
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The vast majority of gun deaths are caused by guns

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