Current Events > Angry Joe lists his top 10 games of 2020. What's your list CE?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

No that's still subjective.

It is better than the first game in every tangible way.

We can talk about plot decisions all day, but it's clearly the best Naughty Dog shooter from all mechanical standpoints.

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Holy shit Unfair's mocking people for thinking TLoU2 was "nuanced, complex and cerebral" despite him completely being wrong about so much of the story it's embarrassing.

The story was great, but I wouldn't use any of those words to describe it, but at the exact same time, people have shown stunning ignorance and stupidity alongside the reading comprehension of a first grader. I mean TC doesn't even seem to know what a character arc is. You can not like something, but just claiming it doesn't exist makes you look like you either didn't even play it or are just too thick to actually "get it" despite it being obvious to get in the first place.

Basically anyone who claims the story is about "revenge" is just someone whose opinion you can write off. It's just funny that they're the same people who will claim there's no depth or anything to it while being flat out wrong about the entire theme that's spelled out for you in the end.

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GameGodOfAll posted...

Holy shit Unfair's mocking people for thinking TLoU2 was "nuanced, complex and cerebral" despite him completely being wrong about so much of the story it's embarrassing.

The story was great, but I wouldn't use any of those words to describe it, but at the exact same time, people have shown stunning ignorance and stupidity alongside the reading comprehension of a first grader. I mean TC doesn't even seem to know what a character arc is. You can not like something, but just claiming it doesn't exist makes you look like you either didn't even play it or are just too thick to actually "get it" despite it being obvious to get in the first place.

Basically anyone who claims the story is about "revenge" is just someone whose opinion you can write off. It's just funny that they're the same people who will claim there's no depth or anything to it while being flat out wrong about the entire theme that's spelled out for you in the end.

So again, insulted everyone but couldn't actually say what the arc was...

Seeing a pattern here. 0 - 3 on saying what the arc was

3 - 0 insulting people who disagree with them for literally no reason

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UnfairRepresent posted...

So again, insulted everyone but couldn't actually say what the arc was...

Seeing a pattern here. 0 - 3 on saying what the arc was

3 - 0 insulting people who disagree with them for literally no reason

I'm not gonna write another essay on a message board for someone who can't get a very simple thing and clearly just wants to shit on it.

Here's a very short version: Ellie despises Joel for lying to her and finding out the truth. Ellie attempts to forgive Joel and accept him again. Abby kills Joel before this can happen. Ellie's driven to bloodlust to avenge Joel, but it's really about her struggling with not having closure. Abby's totally justified in killing Joel for actual revenge and then breaks the cycle by allowing Ellie to live. Ellie still cant let it go and it costs her a happy ending. Ellie finally gets Abby where she can kill her and only NOW does she have the actual choice to forgive, let go and accept not just what Abby did, but Joel's betrayal. They flat out cut to a scene of Joel and Ellie during this moment to spell it out for everyone yet people STILL don't get it.

I could go on and on and on because there's actually a fuck ton of meat on the bone, but it's just a waste of time at this point. People who want to hate the game for whatever reason they have will ignore the facts and live in their own little narrative, parroting it to everyone else on the internet.

Again, you can 100% not like the story, but if you act like it was "just dumb and about revenge and why didn't Ellie do this thing or why did Abby do that" then you clearly don't give a shit about it or are actually too stupid to comprehend it (which again, it ain't that deep to begin with). It just really shows how many simple minded gamers there are with unjustified egos.

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1. Crusader Kings III
2. Cyberpunk 2077
3. Hades
4. Animal Crossing New Horizons
5. 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
6. Asassin's Creed Valhalla
7. Microsoft Flight Simulator
8. Genshin Impact
9. The Last of Us Part II
10. Roundguard

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Every top of 2020 list without tlou2 is a good list.

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Glad to see Ghost of Tsushima at #1. Best game of the last 5 years

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also, even if you hated the story of TLOU2 it's easily one of the games of the year. It is an outstanding achievement in gaming from a technical perspective tbh.

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ktownslayer16 posted...

also, even if you hated the story of TLOU2 it's easily one of the games of the year. It is an outstanding achievement in gaming from a technical perspective tbh.

I couldn't give less of a shit if a game has nice graphics and is well acted if it plays like shit and it's boring as fuck.


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LordFarquad1312 posted...

I couldn't give less of a shit if a game has nice graphics and is well acted if it plays like shit and it's boring as fuck.

Imagine having an opinion this bad.

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Spiritlittle posted...

Imagine having an opinion this bad.

Imagine thinking something that bothers you with menial tasks and repetitive gameplay just to watch the next cutscene is a good game.

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Imagine thinking something that bothers you with menial tasks and repetitive gameplay just to watch the next cutscene is a good game.

Someone played on Normal or even lower lol

Also, every game by design has a circle of gameplay. Every game is repetitive.

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

if it plays like shit

it has some of the best, most fluid gameplay in the genre, though.

if you mean stuff like scavenging for parts/ammo, that can be tedious, but you can do auto pick up, so I didn't notice it too much.

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ktownslayer16 posted...

also, even if you hated the story of TLOU2 it's easily one of the games of the year. It is an outstanding achievement in gaming from a technical perspective tbh.

If you say so?

Brought nothing new to the table in terms of gameplay. Generic enemies, bad AI, generic crafting, forced walking sections, same old collectibles, very very very bland enviroments. No innovations whatsoever at any point. Just incredibly safe bland stuff you've seen and done in 100 other games.

I guess by "technical perspective" you mean "It has nice graphics"? Its art design isn't even that good.

I'm not gonna write another essay on a message board for someone who can't get a very simple thing and clearly just wants to shit on it.

See I call bullshit very quickly here. You have no issue writing essays complaining about how you can't write essays... And right off the bat you're defensive just insulting people for disagreeing with you.

That's very rude and childish and exposes an implied belief that you can't actually back up what you're saying so you're just trying to degrade everyone else

Nothing I have said has been anything other than my opinion and I have repeatedly named examples from several other games to compare and contrast for almost any point I have made, something you and the others like you have ignored.

Here's a very short version: Ellie despises Joel for lying to her and finding out the truth. Ellie attempts to forgive Joel and accept him again. Abby kills Joel before this can happen. Ellie's driven to bloodlust to avenge Joel, but it's really about her struggling with not having closure. Abby's totally justified in killing Joel for actual revenge and then breaks the cycle by allowing Ellie to live. Ellie still cant let it go and it costs her a happy ending. Ellie finally gets Abby where she can kill her and only NOW does she have the actual choice to forgive, let go and accept not just what Abby did, but Joel's betrayal. They flat out cut to a scene of Joel and Ellie during this moment to spell it out for everyone yet people STILL don't get it.

No we got it. It's just trite. That's not an arc. Ellie starts the game as a whiny insecure violent kinda dim selfish person who ignores the needs of the many to focus on herself and ends the game as a whiny insecure violent kinda dim selfish person who ignores the needs of the many to focus on herself.

Going "She forgave Abby and Joel and got closure!" isn't a character arc. The character is still the same. Just with 30 hours of melodrama under her belt. Nothing changed.

"A character arc is the transformation or inner journey of a character over the course of a story. If a story has a character arc, the character begins as one sort of person and gradually transforms into a different sort of person in response to changing developments in the story."

Your description there of the events of the game doesn't fit that. It's just you describing the events of the game.

I could go on and on and on because there's actually a fuck ton of meat on the bone,

There's really not

but it's just a waste of time at this point. People who want to hate the game for whatever reason they have will ignore the facts and live in their own little narrative, parroting it to everyone else on the internet.

I love that you've gone "For whatever reason" and then instantly "they will ignore the facts to make their own little narrative" back to back. Are you unaware of the hypocrisy?

You're intentionally ignoring the facts from anyone who disagrees with you just to have your own little narrative and then projecting it onto others.

I know that's a "no u" but it's absurdly valid here.

Again, you can 100% not like the story, but if you act like it was "just dumb and about revenge and why didn't Ellie do this thing or why did Abby do that" then you clearly don't give a shit about it or are actually too stupid to comprehend it (which again, it ain't that deep to begin with). It just really shows how many simple minded gamers there are with unjustified egos.

No. It's not having an unjustified ego to point out things in a story heavy game that takes itself seriously don't make sense, and you're not "too stupid to understand" a story that even you admit is immensely simple and basic because you ask basic fundamental questions about the actions and motivations of the characters.

Kinda the opposite really. You're just dismissing and any all criticism or strong storytelling techniques as "People who are stupid!" which is immensely childish.

"Anyone who disagrees with me is just dumb! They're not big brained like me!" is a youtube comment level of understanding.


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for real tho, most of Irate Joseph's choices seem on point!

havent played that FF VII remastered tho. dunno if its necessary to play the original since i havent...

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

for real tho, most of Irate Joseph's choices seem on point!

havent played that FF VII remastered tho. dunno if its necessary to play the original since i havent...

It's not "necessary"

Joe didn't and he loved it

But it will make parts of the game more confusing. It Definately assumes you know the plot of the game coming in. A lot of things aren't really introduced they just kinda occur. Especially when it comes to Areith.

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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

for real tho, most of Irate Joseph's choices seem on point!

havent played that FF VII remastered tho. dunno if its necessary to play the original since i havent...

Furious Jos

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Yup. Just defensive and long winded dribble.

"Oh there's no character arc."

"Character arc is this."

"THAT'S NOT A CHARACTER ARC! She doesn't change despite her clearly changing."

Absolute waste of time discussing it with you. Just silly.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

If you say so?

Brought nothing new to the table in terms of gameplay. Generic enemies, bad AI, generic crafting, forced walking sections, same old collectibles, very very very bland enviroments. No innovations whatsoever at any point. Just incredibly safe bland stuff you've seen and done in 100 other games.

I guess by "technical perspective" you mean "It has nice graphics"? Its art design isn't even that good.

Lol


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GameGodOfAll posted...

Yup. Just defensive and long winded dribble.

"Oh there's no character arc."

"Character arc is this."

"THAT'S NOT A CHARACTER ARC! She doesn't change despite her clearly changing."

How did she change?

All you did was describe events from the game. How is Ellie or anyone any different at the end?

The irony here is that you were calling everyone else stupid for disagreeing with you when you seem to be the one who has a fundamental problem understanding what the criticisms actually are.

No one didn't "Get" that Ellie forgave Joel for lying to her. They just didn't care. And Ellie forgiving Joel doesn't change her character. It's still exactly the same.

I'll repeat:

A character arc is the transformation or inner journey of a character over the course of a story. If a story has a character arc, the character begins as one sort of person and gradually transforms into a different sort of person in response to changing developments in the story.

Ellie starts the game as a whiny insecure violent kinda dim selfish person who ignores the needs of the many to focus on herself and ends the game as a whiny insecure violent kinda dim selfish person who ignores the needs of the many to focus on herself.

Jason Brody in Far Cry 3 had a character arc
James Sunderland had a character arc
Martin Walker had a character arc
Arthur Morgan had a character arc
I'll repeat again that the shapes from Thomas was alone had character arcs and that was a kids games about putting shapes into holes.

Ellie just had dumb melodramatic tropes stolen from other media and inserted without rhyme or reason or decent pacing happen around her.

When and in what way did Ellie actually change at all? What event in the story was supposed to have a relatable fundamental connection with a player on an emotional level beyond surface level melodrama?

This is the David Cage level of Storytelling. Slitting a pregnant lady's throat isn't deep storytelling because it's an unpleasant thing to happen.

Your logic would be like if Up ended with Carl Fredricksen seeing the photo Album then staying in the house and still being grumpy but he came to terms with his wife's passing and unfullfilled life. No the character arc wasn't that he came to terms, it was that he changed because he came to terms. Ellie never did. Abby never did.

Absolute waste of time discussing it with you. Just silly.

Stop insulting people because they disagree with you.
Stop ignoring points and facts they bring up.

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1 Doom Eternal- I'd put yakuza 0 here, because it got popular 2020 but it fist released years ago. Doom is crazy fun.
2. Final Fantasy 7 Remake
3. No Straight Roads- A fun little game with a great soundtrack and fun characters. A bit short, and combat can be bad at times.
4. Crash Bandicoot 4- a lovely sequel bogged down by a few questionable choices with levels, and awful collectables. Still fun and cute
5. Genshin Impact- Haven't played too much, but it's definitely entertaining and lovely. Little generic. But not bad at all.
6. Ghosts of Tsushima-Perfectly serviceable and beautiful, but feels a tad bland. Need to finish.
7. DBZ Kakarot- probably beats Genshin if i played more of this. As is, combat is ok and overworld is impressive. It just feels...idk. it should probably be about equal to or greater than Crash tbh
8. Fall guys.

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GameGodOfAll posted...

Yup. Just defensive and long winded dribble.

"Oh there's no character arc."

"Character arc is this."

"THAT'S NOT A CHARACTER ARC! She doesn't change despite her clearly changing."

Absolute waste of time discussing it with you. Just silly.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Because people online don't like it when others disagree with them

You think people like ShockTheMonkey care about nuance?

wat

you're right people hate that others online like The Last of us 2. Everyone needs to hate that game or people will freak out.

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1. Nioh 2
2. Streets of rage 4
3. RE3
4. FF7 Remake
5. Demon souls
6. Marvels avengers
7. Genshin Impact
8. Animal Crossing
9. Ori and the will
10. Ghost of tsushima

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Hot off the presses: Angry Joe's top 10 most disappointing games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrh6IXx1JeA

10.Disintergation
9.Mafia 2: Definitive edition
8.Godfall
7.Serious Sam 4
6.Watch-Dogs: Leigon
5.DBZ Kakarot
4.Madden 21
3.Resident Evil 3 Remake
2. Marvel's Avengers
1.CyberPunk 2077

I mean was anyone expecting anything else for #1? Lol


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Do not agree with RE3.

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I'm surprised TLoU2 isn't on his most disappointing list, but maybe he's saving it for his worst list like Yahtzee.

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spikethedevil posted...

Do not agree with RE3.

I'm split

I liked RE3make a lot.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut... After RE7 and RE2make, it was disappointing.

Less replay value, stuff from RE3 missing, Nemesis was a huge let down on what he could have been

It's simutaniously a good game and disappointing IMO. It could have been great.

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1. Half-Life Alyx
2. Desperados 3
3. The Last of Us Part 2
4. Ori and the Will of the Wisps
5. Streets of Rage 4
6. Spider-Man Miles Morales
7. Astrobot's Playroom
8. Gears Tactics
9. Resident Evil 3
10. Watch Dogs Legion

Still haven't played Ghost of Tsushima, Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Spiritfarer or past the intro of Cyberpunk 2077

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I hear Spiritfarer is good

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If you don't have Hades on your 2020 top 10s, you're just wrong

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