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BlackScythe0
03/01/21 12:51:11 PM
#301:


YoukaiSlayer posted...
Danmachi is the only one that comes to mind that isn't isekai but honestly it might as well be since the main character knows very little about the world.
Having a dumb MC is generally just a shonen trope though isn't it?
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YoukaiSlayer
03/01/21 1:15:15 PM
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Well yeah but they introduce everything to him as if he has never lived on the planet before IIRC. If he had been from earth and reincarnated there, the story would be no different outside of his potential ties with zues that don't really matter.

Granted it's been quite a few years since I saw the first season but theres plenty of times I forget it's not an isekai.

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Zeus
03/01/21 1:26:09 PM
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All I know is that if I die and I'm not reincarnated in some fantasy/game world where I have some OP gimmick, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.

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JoanOfArcade
03/01/21 3:12:15 PM
#304:


FellWolf posted...
Yeah he means not Isekai but it's like a game world.
Thank you FellWolf that is what I was trying to say. Lije in SAO they know they're in a game but Redo of Healer that is just the default setting. It doesn't necessary have to be a video game just like a role playing world where it's the norm

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agesboy
03/01/21 8:58:21 PM
#305:


how far in SAO did you get? the Alicization arc really fits despite being SAO because (early spoilers for that arc) everyone besides Kirito is an NPC, and Kirito loses all of his memories and grows up in the simulation, where everyone considers status screens, item durability, and whatnot to be normal

also, Princess Connect is an MMO where they've lost all memory of it being an MMO because the villain "won" the game and wished it to be real and uhhh magic or something. Maybe 5% of the cast remembers the real world. Anime's a very loose adaptation though so they don't cover most of the main plot

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I_Abibde
03/02/21 1:52:46 PM
#306:


*ponders*

One can make the argument that any anime that overly incorporates game mechanics is isekai, given what it does to characters and how they interact with both the world and each other.

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Zeus
03/02/21 2:09:10 PM
#307:


I_Abibde posted...
*ponders*

One can make the argument that any anime that overly incorporates game mechanics is isekai, given what it does to characters and how they interact with both the world and each other.

Given that isekai is seemingly both trope and genre, I'm not sure I necessarily agree with that assessment (or possibly I'm not following the train of thought). If you had a pure fantasy or scifi that heavily incorporated game mechanics into its world, I doubt it'd be considered isekai is everybody within the universe was native to that world.

Otherwise a lot of gaming anime heavily incorporate game mechanics and have their world revolve around that game. Granted, some gaming anime have isekai undertones, like YGO, even if the trope doesn't cleanly apply much of the time.

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Judgmenl
03/02/21 2:42:36 PM
#308:


Isekai has nothing to do with games, it's just that isekai commonly uses a game world as an environment.
e.g. Digimon is an isekai.

isekai literally means "another world" iirc.

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Revelation34
03/02/21 2:58:44 PM
#309:


Judgmenl posted...

isekai literally means "another world" iirc.


So everything that doesn't take place on earth is an isekai.
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Zeus
03/02/21 3:18:23 PM
#310:


Revelation34 posted...
So everything that doesn't take place on earth is an isekai.

No, it has to involve a person traveling from one world -- most specifically ours -- to another. Something like Chronicles of Narnia is isekai. Something like Lord of the Rings is not.

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YoukaiSlayer
03/02/21 4:28:19 PM
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Yeah although theres definitely some things that are a grey area like inuyasha where technically kagome stays in japan the whole series but when she travels through the well she is effectively in another world. Same with trapped in a game stories. The game world is another world but the person still exists in modern day japan. I'm not sure finding an exact distinction really matters though.

Narritively, it's pretty much used in 2 ways. One, to allow a relatable protagonist to experience a different world and have an excuse to explain the world to the viewer by explaining it to the protagonist. Thats why I feel like DanMachi might as well be isekai even though it isn't.

The other way is to have a protagonist with basically impossible knowledge of the world. This is where you get characters using status screens being genre saavy. Something like spider from this season is very much this way and really plays up knowing that it's basically a game world.

They aren't mutually exclusive either. In fact I'd say usually the protag has some basically cheat knowledge but still has to learn most of how the world works. Something like jobless reincarnation fits here pretty well.

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Zeus
03/02/21 4:54:35 PM
#312:


YoukaiSlayer posted...
Yeah although theres definitely some things that are a grey area like inuyasha where technically kagome stays in japan the whole series but when she travels through the well she is effectively in another world.

Within the context, it's certainly a very different Japan since iirc Kagome's modern Japan was yokai-free.

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T0ffee
03/02/21 6:30:32 PM
#313:


Zeus posted...
Within the context, it's certainly a very different Japan since iirc Kagome's modern Japan was yokai-free.

It certainly opens up the argument if Time Travel can be isekai.

And not like "Back to the Future" time travel where it's only a few decades.

I'm talking like a couple millennia, where the technology and culture is so different it might as well be an alien planet.

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Revelation34
03/02/21 6:46:58 PM
#314:


T0ffee posted...


It certainly opens up the argument if Time Travel can be isekai.

And not like "Back to the Future" time travel where it's only a few decades.

I'm talking like a couple millennia, where the technology and culture is so different it might as well be an alien planet.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine

Does that count?
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Judgmenl
03/02/21 6:58:15 PM
#315:


Wonder Egg Priority was a recap episode this week. People seem to be split on exactly why they aired a recap episode. Some are saying it was planned, and some are saying it wasn't.

And I think there's a new Watamote tomorrow.

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YoukaiSlayer
03/02/21 7:34:49 PM
#316:


Of course if you count time travel back, do you count time travel forward? Dr Stone shares a lot of elements with an isekai but all that happens to take him from one "world" to another is he gets frozen in stone for several thousand years.

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T0ffee
03/02/21 8:28:27 PM
#317:


Futurama is an isekai confirmed.

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dragon504
03/02/21 9:19:49 PM
#318:


I don't consider Inuyasha to be an isekai. Consider trapped in a game stories to be a sub category of isekai though.

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FellWolf
03/02/21 11:12:13 PM
#319:


Mushoku Tensei episode was great.

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deoxxys
03/03/21 12:47:30 AM
#320:


FellWolf posted...
Mushoku Tensei episode was great.
I watched seven episodes straight and loved it but now I dont want to just watch one at a time :( So I'm waiting til the end of the season to watch it.

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Zeus
03/03/21 5:44:56 AM
#321:


T0ffee posted...
It certainly opens up the argument if Time Travel can be isekai.

And not like "Back to the Future" time travel where it's only a few decades.

I'm talking like a couple millennia, where the technology and culture is so different it might as well be an alien planet.

Probably depends on the handling. If it's a completely different world, you'd have a stronger argument than if it was something clearly connected to the modern day (going either forward or back). Plus a lot of time-travel stories involve frequent back & forth, which kinda doesn't fit the whole isekai theme.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
Of course if you count time travel back, do you count time travel forward? Dr Stone shares a lot of elements with an isekai but all that happens to take him from one "world" to another is he gets frozen in stone for several thousand years.

I'm not sure how significant the "how" might be. While perhaps the most popular explanation for appearing in the new world is reincarnation, there are several prominent series which completely buck that trend -- Shield Hero and Overlord (although there might be a theory that Ainz died in the real world?), for instance.

However, if something can be credibly seen as an actual future (or past), it doesn't feel like isekai. Futurama, for instance, feels like an isekai just because it's so outlandish.

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deoxxys
03/03/21 6:20:25 AM
#322:


omg wow finally started Shingeki no Kyojin S4 and watched 8 episodes straight.....holy crap I didnt expect that perspective, that was a great way of telling the story
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Judgmenl
03/03/21 12:54:27 PM
#323:


Looks like some shit went down today with Haachama
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1367100811071737861
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1367129817116667913

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YoukaiSlayer
03/03/21 1:15:49 PM
#324:


Huh, I wonder what new rules she is talking about or if thats some kind of translation error? Hopefully everything goes ok, those videos and the lore it created were quite interesting.

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Zeus
03/03/21 2:29:26 PM
#325:


I'm guessing whatever group she was with was worried about possible monetization issues since her storylines sounded like they were using mental illness as a gimmick, assuming she's the one I'm thinking about with the dead sister storyline.

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Judgmenl
03/03/21 3:39:31 PM
#326:


Zeus posted...
I'm guessing whatever group she was with was worried about possible monetization issues since her storylines sounded like they were using mental illness as a gimmick, assuming she's the one I'm thinking about with the dead sister storyline.
Yes. She has like 5 different personas now, and two of them have basically killed each other and eaten their heads. She was doing this psychological horror thing for the past month where her personalities were trying to both co-exist and become the dominant personality.

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YoukaiSlayer
03/03/21 3:52:06 PM
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I mean, I guess it's mental illness. It was a psychological horror thing. Anyway, she posted a message to her youtube as well. Apparently the latest of the videos had the two bodies fused at the head with 3 eyes and that was just too much for little baby viewers that complained and so hololive forced her to private all the related videos which was like a month of her work. She is now on a break. It's unclear if she decided to go on break or if she effectively got suspended.

Considering they have managers and stuff I feel like this is a fairly big failure on Hololive's part. They were presumably OKing the videos she put out so to effectively ban them after she's been doing this for over a month is pretty lame.

Reminds me of when they fucked up negotiating rights and like 90% of all the archived footage had to be deleted from all the girls channels.

Unrelated to that, I have surgery scheduled for monday at 9:15. The surgery itself is simple and relatively safe (gallbladder removal) but with my condition I'm quite afraid of being put under general anesthesia. I'm honestly pretty terrified. It's entirely possible I die from it. On the other hand, it has the potential to help me digest food which could make a huge improvement in my health.

I haven't really updated in a while but I'm at about 117 lbs (6 feet tall). Been roughly that weight since I almost died in late September from untyped hepatitis (very nearly had liver failure). A lot of my labs actually look quite a bit better than they have in over a year. I can't really bring myself to get my hopes up very high after so many disappointments but it's possible this hell is almost over. I just wanna be able to eat and play video games and watch anime again. I'll probably actually just make a topic about the surgery.

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Zeus
03/03/21 4:06:54 PM
#328:


Judgmenl posted...
Yes. She has like 5 different personas now, and two of them have basically killed each other and eaten their heads. She was doing this psychological horror thing for the past month where her personalities were trying to both co-exist and become the dominant personality.

Okay, so there are a few serious monetization concerns there >_<

YoukaiSlayer posted...
Considering they have managers and stuff I feel like this is a fairly big failure on Hololive's part. They were presumably OKing the videos she put out so to effectively ban them after she's been doing this for over a month is pretty lame.

Yeah, I don't get that. They should have flagged this content immediately, although maybe it was a death-by-degrees kind of thing where it had gradually drifted into things where they then realized, "Oh shit, we're going to start getting demonetized!", or they might have started to get hit by notices by YT.

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Revelation34
03/03/21 4:52:29 PM
#329:


New event in Crestoria is a load of shit so I quit the game. I might occasionally pop back in for the story quests when they're released since I like the story.
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deoxxys
03/03/21 5:01:35 PM
#330:


YoukaiSlayer posted...


Unrelated to that, I have surgery scheduled for monday at 9:15. The surgery itself is simple and relatively safe (gallbladder removal) but with my condition I'm quite afraid of being put under general anesthesia. I'm honestly pretty terrified. It's entirely possible I die from it. On the other hand, it has the potential to help me digest food which could make a huge improvement in my health.
You can do it!

Personally I would be more worried about not using anesthesia because it would suck getting cut open and feel everything.

We want you to have better digestion!

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YoukaiSlayer
03/03/21 5:44:34 PM
#331:


deoxxys posted...
Personally I would be more worried about not using anesthesia because it would suck getting cut open and feel everything.
I definitely need to use it, it's just scary. If better research had been done into my condition they could probably tell me if I'm being scared over nothing but sadly every medical research paper ever is inconclusive and just says somebody (not the person writing the paper) should look more into it.

Oh well, I should stop myself from ranting about the medical industry here.

deoxxys posted...
You can do it!
Thanks. I'll try to remember to post here on monday to update how it went if I'm still alive and not too out of it.

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deoxxys
03/03/21 6:01:56 PM
#332:


Omg guys just in case you didnt realize....Jujutsu Kaisen is amazing.

I love that the main character prefers women like Jennifer Lawrence XD

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T0ffee
03/04/21 11:57:08 PM
#333:


Aww this was sweet.

Somebody got the VA for Michael (GTAV) to give a special birthday message to Miko.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFRiqxZAT0


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deoxxys
03/05/21 12:01:06 AM
#334:


T0ffee posted...
Aww this was sweet.

Somebody got the VA for Michael (GTAV) to give a special birthday message to Miko.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFRiqxZAT0
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agesboy
03/05/21 12:46:05 AM
#335:


i've been playing rance quest a shitton since it came out and wew

good game

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YoukaiSlayer
03/05/21 8:33:24 AM
#336:


T0ffee posted...
Aww this was sweet.

Somebody got the VA for Michael (GTAV) to give a special birthday message to Miko.
That's pretty awesome. For anyone that isn't as deep in the rabbit hole as me, GTA5 basically saved Miko's career. Her subs were WAY lower than everyone elses and she was supposedly probably going to quit and then some of her GTA5 clips went viral and she exploded popularity wise.

Also funny how Haachama trolling Miko and telling her "fuck you" means I love you has stayed around as a meme for so long.

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Zeus
03/05/21 1:23:14 PM
#337:


Geez, maybe we all need to become virtual streamers or whatever.

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Judgmenl
03/05/21 1:41:51 PM
#338:


This is the perfect opportunity if you want to do it.

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T0ffee
03/05/21 1:46:32 PM
#339:


Yo wtf is up with youtube's problem with Kiara?

They just deleted like 2 months worth of videos from her channel out of nowhere.

And this is after like 10 days of her getting shadowbanned.

https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1367748271121268738

This is like the 4th time she got shadowbanned.

And like the 2nd time youtube actually deleted her videos.

Something screwy is going on with the algorithm for her.

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Judgmenl
03/05/21 1:54:15 PM
#340:


My guess is that this time was because her IP went from Japan to Austria and she was flagged for being a bot.

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Zeus
03/05/21 1:57:27 PM
#341:


T0ffee posted...
Something screwy is going on with the algorithm for her.

Which tbh is why it's dangerous for anybody to depend on YT for their income =x

...I say as I start to look into this virtual streamer thing.

Judgmenl posted...
This is the perfect opportunity if you want to do it.

How would an individual even get into that? Are there customizable automated software packages? Because it seems like a lot of them just do it via some larger group that handles their IT shit.

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Judgmenl
03/05/21 2:04:41 PM
#342:


Zeus posted...
How would an individual even get into that? Are there customizable automated software packages? Because it seems like a lot of them just do it via some larger group that handles their IT shit.
You'd have to create the 2D model (or pay for one) and use Live2D or Vtuber Studio (those are the two major ones). II don't really know anything beyond that as being a social media influencer isn't really interesting to me.

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YoukaiSlayer
03/05/21 2:46:50 PM
#343:


Theres some free unity based software that can track face and hands that works with any webcame that seemed to work surprisingly well. I saw a video on it. While you could probably find some kind of placeholder model, I doubt you'd succeed without a some custom made model that would also need to be rigged of course. Getting a model is the current barrier to entry. Paying someone to make one can be fairly expensive. Of course, you also need a PC capable of streaming, running whatever vtuber software you use, and running whatever you games you intend to play at the same time. That's not like a crazy high barrier but I don't think my PC could handle it.

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TigerTycoon
03/05/21 3:01:20 PM
#344:


I just found out about Kiara and Haachama. That's terrible.

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YoukaiSlayer
03/05/21 6:51:33 PM
#345:


Huh, watched this weeks spider and I feel kind of dumb for not realizing that the two storylines aren't necessarily or even likely happening at the same time. This latest episode basically confirmed that they aren't and it's entirely possible the female demon lord with string is main girl 15 years in the future. I mean, it makes sense. All the other people seemed to reincarnate at the same time since they are the same age so why wouldn't main girl also have reincarnated that 15 or so years ago?.

I had also caught up on jujutsu kaisen which is still awesome but they released another episode so now I'm one behind. I'm glad jobless reincarnation is the day before my surgery.

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FellWolf
03/06/21 1:41:30 AM
#346:


deoxxys posted...
I watched seven episodes straight and loved it but now I dont want to just watch one at a time :( So I'm waiting til the end of the season to watch it.

Not a bad idea! Episode 8 has a huge cliffhanger but in 4 weeks 9-12 will be out and you can binge 8-12.

T0ffee posted... Yo wtf is up with youtube's problem with Kiara?

This is like the 4th time she got shadowbanned.

I did feel like I haven't been seeing Kiara stuff lately... dang


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dragon504
03/06/21 3:40:38 AM
#347:


Finished up my Honzuki rewatch, wish the third season would hurry up. At least we're already in March, so this season is getting closer to ending.

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helIy
03/06/21 6:36:42 AM
#348:


i am for real not interested in any of the manga i've been reading

mha is whatever at this point, i think the storyline it's going off on is stupid

jujutsus story went from good to shit real fast

one piece is one piece, nothing ever happens

fire force just seems to be dragging for filler

i completely became disinterested in noragami for some reason

undead unluck just kinda wend boring

unordinary, just, nothing EVER FUCKING HAPPENS IN IT

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FellWolf
03/06/21 10:42:09 AM
#349:


Have you tried Chainsaw Man

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helIy
03/06/21 10:42:46 AM
#350:


have i tried chainsaw man he says

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