Current Events > Possession of All Drugs Is Decriminalized in Oregon Starting Today

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AssultTank posted...

Why not? All making it illegal does is makes those drugs more dangerous to use, but people are going to use them anyway. Make them legal and safer and you solve a lot of issues. Prohibition doesn't work. The US already proved that with alcohol, and we're proving it again with all these other drugs...

Because some are incredibly awful drugs and people who produce them are evil. No one should legally profit off of the pain and suffering of the slaves they are creating. I don't care if there is a willing market. Some businesses are unethical.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Because some are incredibly awful drugs and people who produce them are evil. No one should legally profit off of the pain and suffering of the slaves they are creating. I don't care if there is a willing market. Some businesses are unethical.

Sounds like youre describing pharmaceutical companies

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hockeybub89 posted...

Because some are incredibly awful drugs and people who produce them are evil. No one should legally profit off of the pain and suffering of the slaves they are creating. I don't care if there is a willing market. Some businesses are unethical.

where do you draw the line at what is "too unhealthy"?

obviously tobacco would be banned based on what you've described. but what about objectively terrible junk food with zero nutritional value, like sugar filled sodas (that have been proven to be habit forming)?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Uh I'm pretty sure "wiping our hands" of people is never a net gain for society. The abandoned don't just disappear because you pretend they don't exist.

It is if their a burden. Like a useless roommate who refuses to clean, or help contribute to food, rent cleanliness or etc. Was your life easier before or after you gave him the boot?

Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. And if people want drugs legalized they should be willing to accept the potential consequences and not burden the rest of us.

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Orchestrion posted...

Sounds like youre describing pharmaceutical companies

I do indeed think there is too much profit in pharmaceuticals and healthcare.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

where do you draw the line at what is "too unhealthy"?

obviously tobacco would be banned based on what you've described. but what about objectively terrible junk food with zero nutritional value, like sugar filled sodas (that have been proven to be habit forming)?

I draw the line at things that immediately create slaves and are impossible to do casually. No profit from misery.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Are people going to stop overdosing if we dont legalize?

decriminalization reduces the chances of overdose (open drug testing) and also reduces the chances of said overdoses being fatal

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hockeybub89 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

where do you draw the line at what is "too unhealthy"?

obviously tobacco would be banned based on what you've described. but what about objectively terrible junk food with zero nutritional value, like sugar filled sodas (that have been proven to be habit forming)?

I draw the line at things that immediately create slaves and are impossible to do casually. No profit from misery.

impossible, eh?

what if i told you that some people can casually use cocaine and herion and meth? what about the plethora of 'social smokers' who smoke but aren't addicted, does that mean you don't think we should ban tobacco?

also, no addiction happens "immediately". not a single one.


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I think measures like this should simply replace jail time with forced detoxing and rehabilitation rather than just fine them and let them go on their merry way. You can't stop them from using again, but taking away 30-90 days of their time and having them leave sober probably would help some percentage.

Prismsblade posted...

It is if their a burden. Like a useless roommate who refuses to clean, or help contribute to food, rent cleanliness or etc. Was your life easier before or after you gave him the boot?

Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. And if people want drugs legalized they should be willing to accept the potential consequences and not burden the rest of us.

But they will burden the rest of us. The entire country is your apartment in this scenario. Do you seriously think criminals and poor people don't affect you? Even if you let them all die, the constant smell and pile of bodies would negatively affect society. People have responsibility, but nothing happens in a vacuum. Should we just automatically execute all drug users and criminals so they don't bother you?

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Look at tobacco companies today and imagine if the product they sold was like 100x worse.

That would be heroin/meth/crack companies if those were legalized. I totally understand supporting decimalization but not legalization.

Meanwhile some drugs have a lot of medial uses and should be legalized because they would be easier to get and less expensive.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Look at tobacco companies today and imagine if the product they sold was like 100x worse.

That would be heroin/meth/crack companies if those were legalized. I totally understand supporting decimalization but not legalization.

Meanwhile some drugs have a lot of medial uses and should be legalized because they would be easier to get and less expensive.

Source on heroin/meth/crack being so much worse than tobacco?

heres a counter point:



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Damn_Underscore posted...

Look at tobacco companies today and imagine if the product they sold was like 100x worse.

So... whiskey?

shockthemonkey posted...

Are people going to stop overdosing if we dont legalize?

Are people going to stop if we do? Decriminalization is an improvement for users without allowing more legal drug kingpins. We already lack ethics in corporate America. We don't need new entirely unethical and physically destructive industries. Something like sex work would lose all its dangers with legalization, but that's not true for hard drugs. Heroin and meth will still destroy people, but now some fucker will become a legitimate multi-millionaire businessman off of being subhuman filth.

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Source on heroin/meth/crack being so much worse than tobacco?

heres a counter point:

LSD and Mushrooms open up people's minds.

That is what the authorities are worried about the most.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Its so weird reading posts like this that sit around describing whats currently happening as if its a side effect of a hypothetical future.

There's a legal meth trade?

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hockeybub89 posted...

There's a legal meth trade?

Adderall, Ritalin, etc.

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hockeybub89 posted...

There's a legal meth trade?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Medical
Then, you know, some people were using it "for fun" and the medical-grade varieties all but vanished, to be replaced with questionable garbage made form lantern fuel and antihistamines.

...then the antihistamines largely disappeared.

Orchestrion posted...

Adderall, Ritalin, etc.

We should be stopping the opioid crisis and pill mills. We should come down hard on Big Tobacco.

"The world already sucks" is not a good excuse to add on to it.

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I do think it's bad that alcohol is advertised the way it is. But if I had to choose to try two of alcohol, tobacco, heroin, crack, or meth, there's no question which two I would choose and which one I would choose first. I assume the same would be true for pretty much everyone.

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Orchestrion posted...

Adderall, Ritalin, etc.

Btw meth, actual methamphetamine, the pure form of the street drug crystal meth, is federally medicinally legal in the US

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Duncanwii posted...

Bad very bad.

have you ever heard of Portugal?

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shockthemonkey posted...

Why does there need to be a legal one for people to make millions off it? Makes no sense to get caught up on that. I dont want people to make their money in a taxable way because it makes me feel things so we shouldnt regulate the quality and purity isnt an argument that makes sense to me.

Because it should not be a legitimate, normalized way to make a living and become rich and powerful. They are making money by hurting people. That's like peak capitalism.

"But it happens anyway." Ok, well then we should get corruption and unethical business practices out of government and general society, not invite more to the table.

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fucking joke

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hockeybub89 posted...

Because it should not be a legitimate, normalized way to make a living and become rich and powerful. They are making money by hurting people. That's like peak capitalism.

"But it happens anyway." Ok, well then we should get corruption and unethical business practices out of government and general society, not invite more to the table. We can help addicts without rewarding their dealers.

This is making my head hurt

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shockthemonkey posted...

Thats such a philosophically lazy argument. Its just I dont like thing. It doesnt matter to you if having clean doses saves lives because you dont want someone else to make money off of it.

Does anyone actually like thing? I thought the argument was whether or not we should imprison people and destroy their lives for choosing to put harmful chemicals in them, rather than helping them try to get clean. The drug dealers are the problem. We already have assholes in the legal pharmaceutical industry that need to be purged.

You're inadvertently advocating for end-stage capitalism. If there's money to be made, make it, damn how it hurts people.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Does anyone actually like thing? I thought the argument was whether or not we should imprison people and destroy their lives for choosing to put harmful chemicals in them, rather than helping them try to get clean. The drug dealers are the problem. We already have assholes in the legal pharmaceutical industry that need to be purged.

You're inadvertently advocating for end-stage capitalism. If there's money to be made, make it, damn how it hurts people.

Drugs dont inherently hurt people, is the thing

Youre basing this off the false assumption that drugs are bad mkay

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hockeybub89 posted...

But they will burden the rest of us. The entire country is your apartment in this scenario. Do you seriously think criminals and poor people don't affect you? Even if you let them all die, the constant smell and pile of bodies would negatively affect society. People have responsibility, but nothing happens in a vacuum. Should we just automatically execute all drug users and criminals so they don't bother you?

I dont mind paying for what we usually do in regards to picking up and transporting OD individuals if that's what you're wondering. Infinitely cheaper then caring for them their entire lives becuase they chose to do drugs but couldnt handle it.

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Prismsblade posted...

I dont mind paying for what we usually do in regards to picking up and transporting OD individuals if that's what you're wondering. Infinitely cheaper then caring for them their entire lives becuase they chose to do drugs but couldnt handle it.

I'd rather have drug addicts than sociopaths tbh.

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Duncanwii posted...

I'm not going to change my opinion on this.

But you asked what good legalizing would do and it got answered. Now you want to choose to be wilfully ignorant instead of taking the time to read the response and think critically about your own opinions because... why exactly?

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This'll be an interesting experiment.

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Scorsese2002 posted...

Less than 40 units of LSD
Less than 12 grams of psilocybin

Nice
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Won't this mean more young kids will be trying to do drugs, which is a definite negative?

Tonyjaa posted...

Won't this mean more young kids will be trying to do drugs, which is a definite negative?

No, because decriminalization doesn't mean it will be handed out to kids.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Youre making up a lot of stuff that Im not saying in order to justify your position and ignoring the fact that a lot of people just like getting high.

The people that sell said drugs are taking advantage of them and profiting off addiction. Repeat customers and whales are good for business, so why not produce something that chemically alters them to desire more? It's horrible. They are creating and perpetuating a disease. Big Tobacco execs and many people in Big Pharma should be in jail right beside the Pablo Escobars of the world.

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Hope more places do this.

Regardless of what your personal feelings about drug use are, this is a good thing and beneficial to society as a whole. And to anyone who disagrees, just remember that you're on the same side of this argument as Duncanwii.
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Wherethisfeom posted...

Oregon is also the only state that has completely dissolved obscenity charges for fiction and ruled it unconstitutional. Definitely one of the bigger components for freedom.

Yeah, that shit is ridiculous. Like, I don't care how disgusting I find something, if it's not real, it's not illegal.

Less than 40 tabs of acid?? 40 tabs is more than enough for like a lifetime of tripping lol

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

But you asked what good legalizing would do and it got answered. Now you want to choose to be wilfully ignorant instead of taking the time to read the response and think critically about your own opinions because... why exactly?

@Duncanwii

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Try_Another___ posted...

Less than 40 tabs of acid?? 40 tabs is more than enough for like a lifetime of tripping lol

Tbqh I know people who are frequent users do like 5+ tabs at a time

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Source on heroin/meth/crack being so much worse than tobacco?

heres a counter point:

never seen this before, interesting

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