Current Events > Pick-Up Artists think they're great with women, but are they?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Most of them are terminally single, and can't find true love.

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What PUA think they do:



What PUA do:

https://youtu.be/w4kMyuUkABs

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Shablagoo posted...

What PUA do:

https://youtu.be/w4kMyuUkABs

LOL

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@No_U_L7

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

and can't find true love.

Thing is, that doesn't exist in the pua world.

#1 rule is abundance mentality

Which means you can't get attached. Once you got attached, you lose abundance mentality and cannot be a pua.

teep_ posted...

@No_U_L7

95% of pick up artists are shit at it

I've lived in the world for over a decade. Almost every PUA I meet has been disappointing

Even about half of the "top" guys I feel are complete hacks

That said, the ones that are good are absolutely amazing. I've seen a guy sleep with a girl after 10 minutes without saying a single word. I've seen a guy sleep with a girl while she was on her honey moon

It's absolutely possible...but yeah most are shit. It's a high ceiling/low floor scenario
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No_U_L7 posted...

I've seen a girl sleep with a girl after 10 minutes without saying a single word.

hey man, don't be a voyeur

til lesbian pua is a thing

WingsOfGood posted...

hey man, don't be a voyeur

til lesbian pua is a thing

Typo I corrected it
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just a typo? I am disappointed. girl sleeping with another girl after 10 minutes of silence was more interesting.

No_U_L7 posted...

I've seen a guy sleep with a girl while she was on her honey moon

@No_U_L7
Btw is this supposed to be impressive?
Like, is the point that the guy is so good he can make a girl bang him despite her loving her husband soooo much and being devoted to never ever want to cheat?

Cause it actually honestly seems she didn't like the guy she married or is just a type of person who just has sex with strangers anyways and maybe her husband is ok with it and it is an open relationship. Then why is that somehow impressive?

WingsOfGood posted...

@No_U_L7
Btw is this supposed to be impressive?
Like, is the point that the guy is so good he can make a girl bang him despite her loving her husband soooo much and being devoted to never ever want to cheat?

Cause it actually honestly seems she didn't like the guy she married or is just a type of person who just has sex with strangers anyways and maybe her husband is ok with it and it is an open relationship. Then why is that somehow impressive?

in and of itself? no, no one is going to go up to him and say "i heard you banged a girl on her honeymoon! That's awesome, congrats!" (like how people say that to me when they hear i've slept with porn stars)

However, it is extremely impressive from a technical POV. It was amazing watching him address and re-frame her objections, ramp up the attraction and handle the husband...who was right there almost the entire time

It was like watching a guy in the matrix...it was perfect game from a game theory POV

It was heart breaking watching the husband wander around the club looking for her after the PUA had left with his wife, but it takes two to tango so who am i to judge
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No_U_L7 posted...

However, it is extremely impressive from a technical POV. It was amazing watching him address and re-frame her objections, ramp up the attraction and handle the husband...who was right there almost the entire time

It was like watching a guy in the matrix...it was perfect game from a game theory POV

Why were you watching in the first place?
Like, this some pua getaway or something and the dude was like "see that married woman? I will show you my skills, watch padowans." ?

WingsOfGood posted...

Why were you watching in the first place?
Like, this some pua getaway or something and the dude was like "see that married woman? I will show you my skills, watch padowans." ?

This guy is the premiere pick up artist imo. I'm always watching/listening in to see what I can learn. And of course, morbid curiosity
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No_U_L7 posted...

This guy is the premiere pick up artist imo. I'm always watching/listening in to see what I can learn. And of course, morbid curiosity

So was it a video or in person? If video, give link plz.

WingsOfGood posted...

So was it a video or in person? If video, give link plz.

this one was in person
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PUAs present themselves as being good with women, I don't know if they believe it themselves. It's just about selling something to insecure men.

It's kinda ironic to me because PUA tactics in reality require you to treat dating as a numbers game and be prepared to take mass rejections as you move on to the next woman. I don't know how that's good for a guy's insecurity. Plus who cares how many women you sleep with, it's not a competition. I can understand feeling bad if you're like 30 and have only had 0-1 partners but you don't need to "make up" for it, making that special connection is much more rewarding.

GrabASnickers posted...

PUAs present themselves as being good with women, I don't know if they believe it themselves. It's just about selling something to insecure men.

It's kinda ironic to me because PUA tactics in reality require you to treat dating as a numbers game and be prepared to take mass rejections as you move on to the next woman. I don't know how that's good for a guy's insecurity. Plus who cares how many women you sleep with, it's not a competition. I can understand feeling bad if you're like 30 and have only had 0-1 partners but you don't need to "make up" for it, making that special connection is much more rewarding.

1. PUA techniques include shoring up your inner confidence to let go of all insecurities. PUA is truly just self development at its core, just with an emphasis on dating

2. The number of women you sleep with is irrelevant and doesn't matter. Most PUA instructors tell you to just stop counting entirely

3. Unfortunately, to develop techniques and apply these concepts, you need experience. So yeah, dating is a numbers game so that you can get this experience. It's extremely difficult to do anything well without the experience so I really don't see a way around that
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GrabASnickers posted...

Plus who cares how many women you sleep with, it's not a competition.

Some people fear being called a virgin on internet forums.
And apparently these same people think if you haven't had sex in like 6 months you revert to being a virgin again somehow. Idk how that works.

They're great at lying and manipulating lol

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Can't believe we have a live PUA follower in here

GrabASnickers posted...

Can't believe we have a live PUA follower in here

so i address all your concerns and correct your misconceptions...and you're mad about having more accurate information? ok
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Alot of guys dont have the mental fortitude to even approach, let alone talk to woman so why PUA get so much more shit is something I dont really understand.


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GrabASnickers posted...

It's kinda ironic to me because PUA tactics in reality require you to treat dating as a numbers game and be prepared to take mass rejections as you move on to the next woman.

https://youtu.be/N7FVmeJXwCY

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Prismsblade posted...

Alot of guys dont have the mental fortitude to even approach, let alone talk to woman so why PUA get so much more shit is something I dont really understand.

you kinda explained it, people hate what they don't understand. they hate when others have what they want but are too afraid or unable to go for. it's the same reason people hate on CEOs. (not saying CEOs are saints). people are just mad that someone can be that successful compared to themselves and try to take moral high grounds to make themselves feel better about their lives. it's just an excuse so they feel better about not taking action

being a good pick up artist is about self development, communication and understanding women. there is absolute nothing manipulative or wrong with it
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You were cheering on a guy who came after a guy's wife on their honeymoon and then saying it's just about positively teaching guys confidence. There are much better ways to teach confidence, because confidence isn't just a tool to get laid. It's also not something that can be practiced away by talking to women en masse. Pick up artistry is a toxic grift for insecure men who place too much value on sexual conquest

GrabASnickers posted...

You were cheering on a guy who came after a guy's wife on their honeymoon and then saying it's just about positively teaching guys confidence. There are much better ways to teach confidence, because confidence isn't just a tool to get laid. It's also not something that can be practiced away by talking to women en masse. Pick up artistry is a toxic grift for insecure men who place too much value on sexual conquest

1. i wasn't cheering him on, as i clearly stated. i was impressed at his mastery of technical game. it was more that it was such a difficult situation and he was able to overcome every single obstacle.

2. you're once again making a mistake. i never said pick up artists use getting laid to build confidence. it's the opposite, it's about building up your confidence so that you can get laid as a by product. a lot of pick up artist teachings is just about understanding the male-female dynamic and what women value/like

3. once again i will repeat myself: the sexual conquest itself has 0 value to a pick up artist. however, having the tools to reach that conquest is extremely valuable. being able to be confident, talk and create attraction with women on a consistent basis is a skill that is extremely valuable.

so once again i have corrected you and how you have misconstrued pick up artist teachings with your preconceived assumptions of what you think it is about. please feel free to ask any more questions, but i would prefer you drop the retaliatory tone and have a civil convo. i am happy to answer any questions
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Please stop feeding our resident deluded sociopath's ego.

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Bruh it was someone's special night maybe it's not the time for a "technical game" (not sure how much I believe the story to begin with). Human relationships aren't a game that you gain experience points at and get better the more you force them.

You keep saying it's just about confidence but then go on to indicate that the only or most important way you measure confidence is in ability to talk to women

GrabASnickers posted...

Bruh it was someone's special night maybe it's not the time for a "technical game" (not sure how much I believe the story to begin with). Human relationships aren't a game that you gain experience points at and get better the more you force them.

You keep saying it's just about confidence but then go on to indicate that the only or most important way you measure confidence is in ability to talk to women

im not saying it was something i would had done or should had been done. but 1. she was dtf. 2. he was dtf. 3. they're both adults. so who am i to judge what happened there? im just impressed by how he was able to handle the situation

where did i say the "only or most important way you measure confidence is in ability to talk to women". i said it is an extremely valuable skill...which i absolutely stand by. i am confident in lots of ways, but my engineering prowess doesn't exactly apply in this conversation

inner confidence is a high priority teaching from PUA instructors. an exercise they make you do is to list 10 things about you that girls would like. actually taking the time to mentally think things like that through and then say them out loud (or write them down) helps reinforce that self confidence.

it really does sound like you just have an agenda against how you perceive pick up artists
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No_U_L7 posted...

inner confidence is a high priority teaching from PUA instructors. an exercise they make you do is to list 10 things about you that girls would like

Lol you just did it again!

GrabASnickers posted...

Lol you just did it again!

pick up artists teach things as they relate to girls. stop the presses
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pick up artist tricks only work on women with incredibly low self esteem and as they get older pick up artists get depressed due to their inablity to create lasting relationships because they turned romance into a game and now they lost

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No_U_L7 posted...

in and of itself? no, no one is going to go up to him and say "i heard you banged a girl on her honeymoon! That's awesome, congrats!" (like how people say that to me when they hear i've slept with porn stars)

However, it is extremely impressive from a technical POV. It was amazing watching him address and re-frame her objections, ramp up the attraction and handle the husband...who was right there almost the entire time

It was like watching a guy in the matrix...it was perfect game from a game theory POV

It was heart breaking watching the husband wander around the club looking for her after the PUA had left with his wife, but it takes two to tango so who am i to judge

Oh, that was me again

Sorry, I know I tend to pop up a lot

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yusiko posted...

pick up artist tricks only work on women with incredibly low self esteem and as they get older pick up artists get depressed due to their inablity to create lasting relationships because they turned romance into a game and now they lost

i have no clue where you are getting this from?

pick up artists dont use "tricks", we use communication techniques

it's extremely misogynistic to say that "only girls with low self esteem sleep with pick up artists". lots of girls sleep with pick up artists. it's pointless to categorize them. lots of strippers do, lots of lawyers do. lots of confident women do. im sure some low self esteem girls do. women are women, sometimes they are confident, sometimes they may be more down. that's completely irrelevant.

what is your sources on "as they get older pick up artists get depressed due to their inablity to create lasting relationships because they turned romance into a game and now they lost"?

2 pick up artists i know got married in the last 2 years. and 2 top instructors got married in the last 3 years.

there's 0 correlation or evidence behind any of your claims
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No_U_L7 posted...

pick up artists teach things as they relate to girls. stop the presses

You're the one who tried to present it as general "self-development" with an emphasis on dating. But here's the thing. Emphasizing self development for one specific area of gain doesn't get at the core of people's insecurities. It's just papering over them and placing toxic ideals of "success" in their heads, and nothing you've said in defense of it has really helped to dispel my preconception of it.

Heartomaton posted...

Please stop feeding our resident deluded sociopath's ego.

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GrabASnickers posted...

You're the one who tried to present it as general "self-development" with an emphasis on dating. But here's the thing. Emphasizing self development for one specific area of gain doesn't get at the core of people's insecurities. It's just papering over them and placing toxic ideals of "success" in their heads, and nothing you've said in defense of it has really helped to dispel my preconception of it.

it sounds like what you want is...therapy. i agree, if you need that much help with your insecurities, go see a therapist, a pick up artist is not going to be able to solve your problems. what pick up artists can do is teach you how to have a fulfilling dating life. it's unfair to put the complete onus of fixing mental health on dating coach
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I don't know everyone here or what their reputation is

Bunch of chads ITT

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No_U_L7 posted...

it's unfair to put the complete onus of fixing mental health on dating coach

Lol then stop acting like they fix it and at least just admit you wanted tricks for getting laid

The whole PUA thing is really fucked up and icky imo. Thankfully its all a bunch of BS that ends up like the youtube vid irl.

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However, it is extremely impressive from a technical POV. It was amazing watching him address and re-frame her objections, ramp up the attraction and handle the husband...who was right there almost the entire time

MrKapowski posted...

They're great at lying and manipulating lol

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

Most of them are terminally single, and can't find true love.

...Even if they were successful they would still be single and out of love. Their goal is constant casual sex. Basically to be manwhores.

You know the theory that an attractive woman could go out and bang a someone new every night if she wanted? PUA want to be the straight male version of that.
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GrabASnickers posted...

Lol then stop acting like they fix it and at least just admit you wanted tricks for getting laid

no...i wanted tips to have a fulfilling dating life and received an entire paradigm shift that helped me gain an advanced understand of sub communication, gender dynamics and female psychology which i use to more effectively understand and communicate with women

let me ask you, why do you reduce everything down to "getting laid"? you realize there's a lot more to it than that. having sex is an important part of dating, so it does factor in...but why do you assume that is the entirety of it? lots of guys excel in aspects of life besides dating and need to know how to have a fulfilling dating life. what is wrong with trying to improve that aspect of ones life?

spikethedevil posted...

The whole PUA thing is really fucked up and icky imo. Thankfully its all a bunch of BS that ends up like the youtube vid irl.

what is "fucked up and icky" about it? that video is an extreme example where the guy flat out tells her he's a PUA...i'll tell you right now, the #1 rule of pick up artists is the same as fight club...you do not talk about it in public
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Lol at post 43 (I miss block quotes) I forgot about that already, really off putting against his later message of "well everyone was okay with it and had a good time!" Dude just keeps moving the goalposts

Graycap posted...

...Even if they were successful they would still be single and out of love. Their goal is constant casual sex. Basically to be manwhores.

You know the theory that an attractive woman could go out and bang a someone new every night if she wanted? PUA want to be the straight male version of that.

what is your source? sounds like an assumption or something from the bullshit mystery method era. no pick up artist thinks like that now
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No_U_L7 posted...

in and of itself? no, no one is going to go up to him and say "i heard you banged a girl on her honeymoon! That's awesome, congrats!" (like how people say that to me when they hear i've slept with porn stars)

However, it is extremely impressive from a technical POV. It was amazing watching him address and re-frame her objections, ramp up the attraction and handle the husband...who was right there almost the entire time

It was like watching a guy in the matrix...it was perfect game from a game theory POV

This is the dorkiest shit Ive ever read lmfao

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GrabASnickers posted...

Lol at post 43 (I miss block quotes) I forgot about that already, really off putting against his later message of "well everyone was okay with it and had a good time!" Dude just keeps moving the goalposts

me moving the goal posts?! you're the one that changed the goal post to mental health lmao
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No_U_L7 posted...

what is your source? sounds like an assumption or something from the bullshit mystery method era. no pick up artist thinks like that now

PUA is basically dead now, Tinder and the pandemic did a 1-2 punch on it, so I'm more referring back to when it was actually culturally relevant. >_>
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