Current Events > C/D "Type 1" Zombies Won't attack aliens who look similar to humans.

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Type 1 = Zombies that only target humans, no animals or anything.

And for the purpose of this thread, the aliens cannot be infected and won't turn into zombies
And it could be any alien. Such as vulcans/saiyans whatever.

I had an argument with a friend a few weeks ago about this. He was convinced they would attack due to looking so "similar", which i disagreed with because if it was based on looks alone, not only would they attack other zombies, but things like scare crows and mannequins would be an instant win against them.

Clearly they have a way to differentiate between "humans" and "animals", so why wouldn't they be able to differentiate between humans and aliens?

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Do "type 1" zombies not attack dogs? Dunno the type distinctions.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Do "type 1" zombies not attack dogs? Dunno the type distinctions.

Nope. No animals, only humans. Such as Day of the dead/night of the living/dawn of the dead original/remake. The shitty world war z movies, 28 days later (assumingly) etc.

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idk if I've ever heard of a "type one zombie"

zombies seem to target whatever looks alive, and I'm not sure why an alien appearing would get any kinda pass.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

scare crows and mannequins would be an instant win against them.

Animals with senses superior to ours are still fooled by that sort of thing, so... yeah.


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g0ldie posted...

idk if I've ever heard of a "type one zombie"

zombies seem to target whatever looks alive, and I'm not sure why an alien appearing would get any kinda pass.

No. Several different films as i stated above show they don't attack anything but humans.

vigorm0rtis posted...

Animals with senses superior to ours are still fooled by that sort of thing, so... yeah.

Not only in these films are we shown this doesn't work (specifically dawn of the dead), they would be easily beaten by putting up a few scarecrows out of reach. Clearly it doesn't work.

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"Type 1 zombie"? There's no standard categorization of zombies my dude. It's whatever the fictional world wants. If you want your zombies to attack aliens, then they can attack aliens.

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The general theme of zombie movies is that you either have to utterly destroy them to win, or you cant win period.

Trying to just trick them seems pointless.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

"Type 1 zombie"? There's no standard categorization of zombies my dude. It's whatever the fictional world wants. If you want your zombies to attack aliens, then they can attack aliens.

Oh sure, except several, if not the majority of mainstream zombie movies follow this formula, but okay.

CommonJoe posted...

The general theme of zombie movies is that you either have to utterly destroy them to win, or you cant win period.

Trying to just trick them seems pointless.

...Trying to trick them is pointless..? When a horde of zombies is attacking you, and you can stop them with a simple mannequin, thats "pointless" to you? Okay...

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Not only in these films are we shown this doesn't work (specifically dawn of the dead), they would be easily beaten by putting up a few scarecrows out of reach. Clearly it doesn't work.

It works in some films, it doesn't work in others. If you're talking only about Romero's universe, say so.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

It works in some films, it doesn't work in others. If you're talking only about Romero's universe, say so.

Kimbos_Egg posted...

Type 1 = Zombies that only target humans, no animals or anything.

And for the purpose of this thread, the aliens cannot be infected and won't turn into zombies
And it could be any alien. Such as vulcans/saiyans whatever.

I had an argument with a friend a few weeks ago about this. He was convinced they would attack due to looking so "similar", which i disagreed with because if it was based on looks alone, not only would they attack other zombies, but things like scare crows and mannequins would be an instant win against them.

Clearly they have a way to differentiate between "humans" and "animals", so why wouldn't they be able to differentiate between humans and aliens?

I guess reading is difficult for you

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"It's a pity about the chief, Lois. I'm glad you made it out of the building okay. Hey, why aren't those zombies going after Clark?"

Realistically, they shouldn't be able to differentiate that easily. When they do, it's for the plot. They are risen corpses that function on instinct and whatever senses haven't been too ravaged by death. So they would need to possess some kind of failproof ability to distinguish between human and humanoid. By that point, anything goes so if they want to attack aliens, they can attack aliens. There has to be a good reason why X won't work, not just "it just don't work".

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

I guess reading is difficult for you

There are type 1 zombies in a lot of movies that aren't Romero's.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

"Type 1 zombie"? There's no standard categorization of zombies my dude. It's whatever the fictional world wants. If you want your zombies to attack aliens, then they can attack aliens.

This.

Plus I'm pretty sure there are scenes in Romero's original trilogy of zombies eating rats, but it's been a long time since I watched any of them.

BloodMoon7 posted...

Realistically, they shouldn't be able to differentiate that easily. When they do, it's for the plot. They are risen corpses that function on instinct and whatever senses haven't been too ravaged by death. So they would need to possess some kind of failproof ability to distinguish between human and humanoid. By that point, anything goes so if they want to attack aliens, they can attack aliens. There has to be a good reason why X won't work, not just "it just don't work".

If we use dawn of the dead (original) as an example, it seems to be ability to infect the user. They attacked fly boy in the elevator and continued to try to get in and finish him, until it opened and he shambled out as a zombie, and they immediately stop trying to attack him.

It can't be based on movement, otherwise zombies that don't move would fool them.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

There are type 1 zombies in a lot of movies that aren't Romero's.

Which is why i specified "type 1" and not "romero"

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Oh sure, except several, if not the majority of mainstream zombie movies follow this formula, but okay.

...Trying to trick them is pointless..? When a horde of zombies is attacking you, and you can stop them with a simple mannequin, thats "pointless" to you? Okay...

Well it kind of is? An animal will eventually lose interest, I don't see why a zombie is different. If they realize they can't reach a "target", they will just go find a new one. If they are too stupid to give up, then they are too stupid to tell the difference between human and an alien that looks human.

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TheOtherMike posted...

This.

Plus I'm pretty sure there are scenes in Romero's original trilogy of zombies eating rats, but it's been a long time since I watched any of them.

https://youtu.be/9yvTZNpfcfk?t=231

You#re probably remembering the remake of night of the living dead.

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TheOtherMike posted...

This.

Plus I'm pretty sure there are scenes in Romero's original trilogy of zombies eating rats, but it's been a long time since I watched any of them.

There's one scene in some cuts of NOTL.

That said, in the more zealous corners of zombie fandom, they have been "typed," although not so specifically as TC thinks.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

If we use dawn of the dead (original) as an example, it seems to be ability to infect the user. They attacked fly boy in the elevator and continued to try to get in and finish him, until it opened and he shambled out as a zombie, and they immediately stop trying to attack him.

It can't be based on movement, otherwise zombies that don't move would fool them.

That explanation makes little sense. Even a virus doesn't work like that.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

Well it kind of is? An animal will eventually lose interest, I don't see why a zombie is different. If they realize they can't reach a "target", they will just go find a new one. If they are too stupid to give up, then they are too stupid to tell the difference between human and an alien that looks human.

This would only be if they were out of sight. Dawn of the dead(both) world war z (book) (even though these are type 2) and many others show them laying siege for months, if not years. Why would it be any different here?

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Which is why i specified "type 1" and not "romero"

... right. So in some movies, type 1s are fooled by bait. But your only reference to them not being fooled is Dawn of the Dead. So if you're going to use films in your theorycrafting, but deny all films but how zombies behave in one Romero film, you might want to say so.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

That explanation makes little sense. Even a virus doesn't work like that.

tell that to shitty world war z movie. God that sucked ass.

Also, they're zombies... they don't make sense at all.. Resident evil, world war z, show an ability to differentiate between infected and non infected..

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

This would only be if they were out of sight. Dawn of the dead(both) world war z (book) (even though these are type 2) and many others show them laying siege for months, if not years. Why would it be any different here?

That also makes little sense. It tells me they are stupid. So they would attack a humanoid alien, at least long enough to realize it's not a human.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

... right. So in some movies, type 1s are fooled by bait. But your only reference to them not being fooled is Dawn of the Dead. So if you're going to use films in your theorycrafting, but deny all films but how zombies behave in one Romero film, you might want to say so.

World war z they aren't fooled, return of the living dead they aren't fooled, 28 days later they aren't fooled (although technically not zombies), l4d they aren't fooled, etc.

Happy?

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BloodMoon7 posted...

That also makes little sense. It tells me they are stupid. So they would attack a humanoid alien, at least long enough to realize it's not a human.

Then why wouldn't they attack other zombies?

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

World war z they aren't fooled, return of the living dead they aren't fooled, 28 days later they aren't fooled (although technically not zombies), l4d they aren't fooled, etc.

Happy?

Literally none of those are type 1, so I'm not sure what you're even doing in this dipshit topic anymore

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

https://youtu.be/9yvTZNpfcfk?t=231

You#re probably remembering the remake of night of the living dead.

In Survival of the Dead (Romero's last zombie movie) the big ending is basically "zombies eating animals, they just don't really want to" so it can happen... I guess.

There aren't a ton of stories where zombies actively ignore attacking animals, so much as it just never really comes up if they don't.

vigorm0rtis posted...

Literally none of those are type 1, so I'm not sure what you're even doing in this dipshit topic anymore

So leave.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

So leave.

I don't know. It's kind of like a car wreck now, I can't look away.

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Proto_Spark posted...

Survival of the Dead

Is that the one with the idiot army guys? They steal all the stuff that those kids have in the other shitty one that was "found footage"? Urgh. I hated both those movies.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Then why wouldn't they attack other zombies?

Cause plot.
But in a realistic setting, they would be able to sense it. Visual decomposition, the smell of rot, perhaps even communication if they are comparable to wild beasts in terms of intelligence. It's easier to distinguish between a corpse and a humanoid in this situation.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

Cause plot.
But in a realistic setting, they would be able to sense it. Visual decomposition, the smell of rot, perhaps even communication if they are comparable to wild beasts in terms of intelligence. It's easier to distinguish between a corpse and a humanoid in this situation.

I feel like this really cheapens the "zombie effect though". One of my most hated things (of which there is a lot of) about the walking dead, is that the stupid "slather yourself in guts and walk slow" shit actually works.

I prefer the world war z (book) version, where they just always know. otherwise its just extraordinarily easy to beat them.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Is that the one with the idiot army guys? They steal all the stuff that those kids have in the other shitty one that was "found footage"? Urgh. I hated both those movies.

I liked the first one, but I'm a real sucker for found footage.

It was the one with the army guys, and it was very much... not a good movie. I don't know who thought making a spin off about army guys who ****ed over some kids in a previous movie was a good idea, but someone clearly did.

The only thing i remember about that one is that they were swimming across a lake or a river or some shit, and one of them bites off a zombies finger for no reason.. God i hated that movie.

Its a shame that all zombies movies nowadays are either shitty, or extremely low budget and shitty. Hopefully 28 months later will be good.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

I feel like this really cheapens the "zombie effect though". One of my most hated things (of which there is a lot of) about the walking dead, is that the stupid "slather yourself in guts and walk slow" shit actually works.

I prefer the world war z (book) version, where they just always know. otherwise its just extraordinarily easy to beat them.

Well realistically, it WOULD be easier to beat them. They "always just know" is the problem you're having. If they know, it's for plot purposes and so they wouldn't attack humanoids. But if the plot doesn't specify otherwise, they would very likely attack humanoids. They would be subject to whatever senses, abilities, intelligence the setting gives them and usually they aren't given much because they are corpses. The very concept of a zombie is a bit nonsensical. If they are limited in what they can do and they have a physical body to target, they'd be wiped out very quickly. Some might even die to an animal. If they don't attack back just because it's not human, they are letting themselves get eaten.

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Here's the answer--It's entirely beholden to whatever the screenwriter wants. They don't care at all about "types". They are "non-predictive" categorization.

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