Current Events > Conservatives hate windmills now?

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Someone want to explain this one to me?

windmills cause cancer.

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Conservatives enjoy sticking an oil hose up their butt and snorting it out their nose, and the nebulous concept of green energy is theatening to them for no reason aligned with reality.
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They want to joust them.

Trump was hating on windmills all 4 years

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Now? When do you think that conservatives have been champions of renewable energy in the past?

ShibaToken posted...

Someone want to explain this one to me?

Trump has been spreading this bizarre hatred of windmills to his fans over the past 4 years.

They were too cheap to take the necessary precautions against a well known problem and now they're paying for it. Instead of taking ownership of their mistake and taking the steps to make sure it doesn't occur again they're playing the blame game.
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How very quixotic
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They've hated wind power for a long time. It's a direct threat to their oil/gas overlords' profits.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

How very quixotic

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They're tilted

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theAteam posted...

They've hated wind power for a long time. It's a direct threat to their oil/gas overlords' profits.

this. and instead of adapting they cling to the past.

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CloneTheHero posted...

if you think windmills and solar panels will ever/should overtake oil and gas you live in lala land. first off, solar panels are useless in winter storms. how are they gonna generate power if theres no sun? lmao. its always going to be a combination of all sources. a little nuclear energy, green energy, and oil and gas. but mostly oil and gas.

Oil and gas won't won't last forever. We have to eventually find something else.

ShibaToken posted...

Someone want to explain this one to me?

Well you see, its possible that they are actually giants

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CloneTheHero posted...

if you think windmills and solar panels will ever/should overtake oil and gas you live in lala land. first off, solar panels are useless in winter storms. how are they gonna generate power if theres no sun? lmao. its always going to be a combination of all sources. a little nuclear energy, green energy, and oil and gas. but mostly oil and gas.

You use batteries to store it. Even with traditional power sources Texas is going to need immense batteries going forward to properly provide energy in crises

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The argument is that they spent way too much money building wind power instead of bolstering their natural gas infrastructure, since the wind power is basically useless right now.

I don't really know how much truth to that there is though, or how much they spent on wind.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

Well you see, its possible that they are actually giants

This isn't some joke; a windmill killed my entire family and then gave me cancer. THIS IS NO JOKE

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CloneTheHero posted...

if you think windmills and solar panels will ever/should overtake oil and gas you live in lala land. first off, solar panels are useless in winter storms. how are they gonna generate power if theres no sun? lmao. its always going to be a combination of all sources. a little nuclear energy, green energy, and oil and gas. but mostly oil and gas.

I hope this is a troll post and you aren't actually being serious.

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Zikten posted...

Oil and gas won't won't last forever. We have to eventually find something else.

Only if the species lasts that long.

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CloneTheHero posted...

if you think windmills and solar panels will ever/should overtake oil and gas you live in lala land. first off, solar panels are useless in winter storms. how are they gonna generate power if theres no sun? lmao. its always going to be a combination of all sources. a little nuclear energy, green energy, and oil and gas. but mostly oil and gas.

Thank you for the brilliant deduction that solar powered energy creation tools are imponent when there is no sun. Advocates for solar powered energy and the people in the energy sector actually implementing them somehow let this slip by them and did not consider it at all for their calculations regarding the creation and implementation of solar energy plants. You are arguing against a very robust position and not a dumbfuck one you made up.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

The argument is that they spent way too much money building wind power instead of bolstering their natural gas infrastructure, since the wind power is basically useless right now.

I don't really know how much truth to that there is though, or how much they spent on wind.

Issue is they didn't pay the amount to winterize the windmills. It became an issue of them not buying "insurance" for these extreme weathers.
Didn't pay to winterize their natural gas either.

I find it hard to believe they'd have done that winterization even if they hadn't spent on windmills
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the only reason to hate on renewable energy at all is because you're in the pocket of fossil fuel industries. there's literally no other rational reason

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ShyOx posted...

You use batteries to store it.

The battery tech for that doesn't really exist.
Or rather, it might, but that's a hell of a lot of lead.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

The argument is that they spent way too much money building wind power instead of bolstering their natural gas infrastructure, since the wind power is basically useless right now.

I don't really know how much truth to that there is though, or how much they spent on wind.

Which is a stupid argument because natural gas pipelines freeze too.

And in fact they have:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/17/22287130/texas-natural-gas-production-power-outages-frozen

Maybe instead of soaking up those profits they should have reinvested them into competent infrastructure.

Not that I'm surprised, the GOP is the fuck the young party. Their whole mantra is we're all dead in the long run, so fuck everyone else.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

The battery tech for that doesn't really exist.
Or rather, it might, but that's a hell of a lot of lead.

Apparently it has been around but hasn't been affordable before now.

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CloneTheHero posted...

those technologies dont yet exist and are decades away barring some crazy breakthrough that affords us some sci fi level of green energy. so its fucking nutty and irresponsible to completely abandon oil and gas right now. as it stands solar and wind power dont generate nearly as much power as gas and oil and are far more expensive as well.

...you know there are nations right now like Iceland, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, that run 95% to 99% solely on renewable energy? Entire nations that have basically cut out all of oil and gas as an energy source, that's pretty amazing for a "technology that doesn't exist yet" huh. Maybe a basic understanding of how these things work will work better for you opposed to talking out of your ass in the future.

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Windmills don't generate near as much power that is needed.

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CloneTheHero posted...

true. and guess who owns a lot of the material that goes into making batteries? the lithium, zinc n shit? china

meanwhile, 'Murrica:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_Belt

emblem boy posted...

Issue is they didn't pay the amount to winterize the windmills. It became an issue of them not buying "insurance" for these extreme weathers.
Didn't pay to winterize their natural gas either.

I find it hard to believe they'd have done that winterization even if they hadn't spent on windmills

Even if they had all their wind power operating at 100%, they would still be massively short to meet the energy demand. The only reason anyone has power in Texas right now is because they were still able to increase the electricity generation from Natural gas by 450% and coal by 47% in the last week. Texas has the largest wind generation in the nation, and it is still a drop in the bucket to energy demand in a situation like this.

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harley2280 posted...

Not that I'm surprised, the GOP is the fuck the young party. Their whole mantra is we're all dead in the long run, so fuck everyone else.

A wise man once said "We all dead, fuck it."

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hockeybub89 posted...

A wise man once said "We all dead, fuck it."

Plato?

Windpower is stupid. Nuclear power, hydroelectric, and geothermal are the only way to go.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

A wise man once said "We all dead, fuck it."

Plato?

Satan. You won't find this in the Bible, but Yolo is actually how he got Eve to eat the fruit.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Plato?

El-P, paraphrasing Keynes

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hockeybub89 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Plato?

El-P, paraphrasing Keynes

Yeah. The statement is the core of Keynesian economics.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

emblem boy posted...

Issue is they didn't pay the amount to winterize the windmills. It became an issue of them not buying "insurance" for these extreme weathers.
Didn't pay to winterize their natural gas either.

I find it hard to believe they'd have done that winterization even if they hadn't spent on windmills

Even if they had all their wind power operating at 100%, they would still be massively short to meet the energy demand. The only reason anyone has power in Texas right now is because they were still able to increase the electricity generation from Natural gas by 450% and coal by 47% in the last week. Texas has the largest wind generation in the nation, and it is still a drop in the bucket to energy demand in a situation like this.

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not saying there's no room for natural gas in conjunction with wind and other forms. I just think the argument that it's because of money spent on wind, isn't a really strong argument. Like you said, it's a drop in the bucket, so how can it be it's fault.
Unless you think they actually would have put that money towards increasing existing oil and gas infrastructure
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emblem boy posted...

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not saying there's no room for natural gas in conjunction with wind and other forms. I just think the argument that it's because of money spent on wind, isn't a really strong argument. Like you said, it's a drop in the bucket, so how can it be it's fault.
Unless you think they actually would have put that money towards increasing existing oil and gas infrastructure

Ah, I agree, unless they spent an absurd amount on windmills or had some specific regulations saying "you can only have this much natural gas power generation and backup storage," I don't think it is much of an argument. I think trying to play the blame game on either too many fossil fuels or too much renewables is dumb.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

since the wind power is basically useless right now.

They work in Antarctica and Canada as well (and not the cushy nice winter places like BC or Toronto either...in some of our hardest hit places). Had they been prepared correctly they could have seen use now in Texas too.

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CloneTheHero posted...

if you think windmills and solar panels will ever/should overtake oil and gas you live in lala land. first off, solar panels are useless in winter storms. how are they gonna generate power if theres no sun? lmao. its always going to be a combination of all sources. a little nuclear energy, green energy, and oil and gas. but mostly oil and gas.

Renewables don't have a hope of replacing oil/gas anytime soon, but nuclear could replace it overnight* if the world wanted to go down that route.

*"overnight" is a huge exaggeration, but you get the point

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CloneTheHero posted...

those technologies dont yet exist and are decades away barring some crazy breakthrough that affords us some sci fi level of green energy. so its fucking nutty and irresponsible to completely abandon oil and gas right now. as it stands solar and wind power dont generate nearly as much power as gas and oil and are far more expensive as well.

This type of view on technological innovation has always baffled me. For one - no, you're not correct. Look into the experiments & work that have been done on long-term energy storage with solar panels in place like Australia. Your ignorance on the subject is being used to fuel the outdated idea that "oh, it's decades away."

For two, you don't approach a problem saying the solution is "decades away". This is why we're behind the rest of the world on renewables. We don't have the corner in the market we could've had because of nonsense defeatism that has literally never played out with technological development.

Conservatives aren't even conservative minded on alternate energy. They're just primitivist

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Trumble posted...

Renewables don't have a hope of replacing oil/gas anytime soon, but nuclear could replace it overnight* if the world wanted to go down that route.

See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occurrence_of_thorium
The entire east coast of India is just infested with thorium (seriously, don't eat the sand there), and North America is practically made of the stuff.

the species wont survive long enough to switch to green energy if it isnt done immediately. Anyone saying that we have to stick with gas and coal power because green energy is too expensive is too shortsighted to be making any sort of decision

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Rika_Furude posted...

the species wont survive long enough to switch to green energy if it isnt done immediately. Anyone saying that we have to stick with gas and coal power because green energy is too expensive is too shortsighted to be making any sort of decision

I mean, yeah. It isn't even accounting for the fact that oil and gas are causing things like the Texas storm lol

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