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pure_temper 02/25/21 1:37:09 AM #51:	Omnislasher posted... lol "was" lol "earliest" And still is to be sure. I was initially worried about openly talking about this shit. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951047721] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Omnislasher posted... </cite> <quote>lol "was" lol "earliest"</quote> And still is to be sure. I was initially worried about openly talking about this shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 1:39:58 AM #52:	teep_ posted... OK, so Islam doesn't prescribe a single economic system. Islam instead lays down certain conditions that must be fulfilled and allows you to choose whatever system fulfills those conditions. One big one is the need for a welfare state. Given communism's (false) reputation as "the government does stuff" it's not surprising to see the link between the two As for 'actual' communism (I feel dirty writing that lol), I personally don't think it's acceptable within Islam. Particularly since a) Islam argues that people have/need motivation, which iirc is also a criticism of communism (if everyone earns the same, what are we working for) and b) legitimises private business, which communism doesn't iirc The main difference between Islamic and western economics these days is interest. Instead of arguing over who should own the means of production, we need to work on abolishing interest. It almost definitely won't happen anytime soon, but it's fun to think about (Disclaimer: whatever I say about communism could easily be wrong) God is pure my friend. Motivation for self-improvement in science and knowledge is all we need. And fitness. The earliest Muslims did this because they were inspired by God. That's why they were able to preserve science and mathematics when the Dark Ages almost collapsed us. It's known and proven that this happened in history. I would ask for a resurgence in whatever kind of philosophy or inspiration happened in that branch of Islam that probably saved humanity from extinction. Abolishing interest would be amazing and is already happening in Japan and here with 0% interest rates becoming more common, but we are technologically at the point now where we can just do away with currency soon. If we follow the blueprint mentioned above in an earlier post, but obviously fleshed out with more detail so it's serious and can succeed. Business can exist for things that are not relevant to Maslow's hierarchy of needs - like if you want to make a videogame with your friends, or a movie or something. Art. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951047762] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>teep_ posted... </cite> <quote>OK, so Islam doesn't prescribe a single economic system. Islam instead lays down certain conditions that must be fulfilled and allows you to choose whatever system fulfills those conditions. One big one is the need for a welfare state. Given communism's (false) reputation as "the government does stuff" it's not surprising to see the link between the two As for 'actual' communism (I feel dirty writing that lol), I personally don't think it's acceptable within Islam. Particularly since a) Islam argues that people have/need motivation, which iirc is also a criticism of communism (if everyone earns the same, what are we working for) and b) legitimises private business, which communism doesn't iirc The main difference between Islamic and western economics these days is interest. Instead of arguing over who should own the means of production, we need to work on abolishing interest. It almost definitely won't happen anytime soon, but it's fun to think about (Disclaimer: whatever I say about communism could easily be wrong)</quote> God is pure my friend. Motivation for self-improvement in science and knowledge is all we need. And fitness. The earliest Muslims did this because they were inspired by God. That's why they were able to preserve science and mathematics when the Dark Ages almost collapsed us. It's known and proven that this happened in history. I would ask for a resurgence in whatever kind of philosophy or inspiration happened in that branch of Islam that probably saved humanity from extinction. Abolishing interest would be amazing and is already happening in Japan and here with 0% interest rates becoming more common, but we are technologically at the point now where we can just do away with currency soon. If we follow the blueprint mentioned above in an earlier post, but obviously fleshed out with more detail so it's serious and can succeed. Business can exist for things that are not relevant to Maslow's hierarchy of needs - like if you want to make a videogame with your friends, or a movie or something. Art. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/25/21 1:43:49 AM #53:	teep_ posted... OK, so Islam doesn't prescribe a single economic system. Islam instead lays down certain conditions that must be fulfilled and allows you to choose whatever system fulfills those conditions. One big one is the need for a welfare state. Given communism's (false) reputation as "the government does stuff" it's not surprising to see the link between the two As for 'actual' communism (I feel dirty writing that lol), I personally don't think it's acceptable within Islam. Particularly since a) Islam argues that people have/need motivation, which iirc is also a criticism of communism (if everyone earns the same, what are we working for) and b) legitimises private business, which communism doesn't iirc The main difference between Islamic and western economics these days is interest. Instead of arguing over who should own the means of production, we need to work on abolishing interest. It almost definitely won't happen anytime soon, but it's fun to think about (Disclaimer: whatever I say about communism could easily be wrong) I wonder. I'm not sure I'd say that the civil rights movement was especially tankie-oriented. It's easy to see overlapping ideas like the thoughts on hoarding wealth and interest, but Christianity also has those. I wonder what pushed some of these people to Islam. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:951047827] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>teep_ posted... </cite> <quote>OK, so Islam doesn't prescribe a single economic system. Islam instead lays down certain conditions that must be fulfilled and allows you to choose whatever system fulfills those conditions. One big one is the need for a welfare state. Given communism's (false) reputation as "the government does stuff" it's not surprising to see the link between the two As for 'actual' communism (I feel dirty writing that lol), I personally don't think it's acceptable within Islam. Particularly since a) Islam argues that people have/need motivation, which iirc is also a criticism of communism (if everyone earns the same, what are we working for) and b) legitimises private business, which communism doesn't iirc The main difference between Islamic and western economics these days is interest. Instead of arguing over who should own the means of production, we need to work on abolishing interest. It almost definitely won't happen anytime soon, but it's fun to think about (Disclaimer: whatever I say about communism could easily be wrong)</quote>I wonder. I'm not sure I'd say that the civil rights movement was especially tankie-oriented. It's easy to see overlapping ideas like the thoughts on hoarding wealth and interest, but Christianity also has those. I wonder what pushed some of these people to Islam. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 1:46:45 AM #55:	263 had a couple Muslim liberal types there last I checked a loooong time ago, but they may have moved on or maybe if lucky are marxists https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/263-religion --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951047872] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>263 had a couple Muslim liberal types there last I checked a loooong time ago, but they may have moved on or maybe if lucky are marxists https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/263-religion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 02/25/21 1:48:55 AM #56:	scar the 1 posted... It's easy to see overlapping ideas like the thoughts on hoarding wealth and interest, but Christianity also has those. I wonder what pushed some of these people to Islam. I'd guess it was the strong focus on equality between people. Iirc, Malcolm X was especially inspired by his pilgrimage to Mecca and seeing how everyone from all over the world was there together without any division --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teep_ posted [p:951047912] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>It's easy to see overlapping ideas like the thoughts on hoarding wealth and interest, but Christianity also has those. I wonder what pushed some of these people to Islam. </quote> I'd guess it was the strong focus on equality between people. Iirc, Malcolm X was especially inspired by his pilgrimage to Mecca and seeing how everyone from all over the world was there together without any division</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 1:50:24 AM #57:	teep_ posted... I'd guess it was the strong focus on equality between people. Iirc, Malcolm X was especially inspired by his pilgrimage to Mecca and seeing how everyone from all over the world was there together without any division wow that's beautiful. it makes sense, seeing everyone unite for charity and to be together and pray, definitely powerful. i can only imagine how beautiful the mosques are and even the ancient ones how they were back when you had the Kalam argument being developed by the Islamic scholar who popularized it, and etc. in those days there must have been wonders. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951047931] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>teep_ posted... </cite> <quote>I'd guess it was the strong focus on equality between people. Iirc, Malcolm X was especially inspired by his pilgrimage to Mecca and seeing how everyone from all over the world was there together without any division</quote> wow that's beautiful. it makes sense, seeing everyone unite for charity and to be together and pray, definitely powerful. i can only imagine how beautiful the mosques are and even the ancient ones how they were back when you had the Kalam argument being developed by the Islamic scholar who popularized it, and etc. in those days there must have been wonders. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 2:30:42 AM #58:	Bump for overseas comrades --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951048605] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Bump for overseas comrades </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/25/21 2:34:27 AM #59:	pure_temper posted... We must co-opt the institutions back by dismantling atheism So your master plan relies on forcibly converting people Im good out here, thanks --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951048657] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>We must co-opt the institutions back by dismantling atheism</quote>So your master plan relies on forcibly converting people Im good out here, thanks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 2:38:14 AM #60:	FlameTurtle posted... So your master plan relies on forcibly converting people Im good out here, thanks I unblocked you so you could be in the company of experienced and educated people. If you have nothing of value, leave lol. no, anyone can be whatever religion they want. Or no religion. Atheists will need to stop being about dismantling religions, and instead theyll need to be more like how I am choosing to be - builders of an apologetic of the future around Marxism to help the religious enter class consciousness. God is not about religion. Humans are lol. Those were the earliest attempts to capture truth about something that happened in the ancient world. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951048701] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>FlameTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>So your master plan relies on forcibly converting people Im good out here, thanks</quote> I unblocked you so you could be in the company of experienced and educated people. If you have nothing of value, leave lol. no, anyone can be whatever religion they want. Or no religion. Atheists will need to stop being about dismantling religions, and instead theyll need to be more like how I am choosing to be - builders of an apologetic of the future around Marxism to help the religious enter class consciousness. God is not about religion. Humans are lol. Those were the earliest attempts to capture truth about something that happened in the ancient world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/25/21 2:39:52 AM #61:	pure_temper posted... I unblocked you so you could be in the company of experienced and educated people. I dont understand what one has to do with the other pure_temper posted... Atheists will need to stop being about dismantling religions, and instead theyll need to be more like how I am choosing to be - builders of an apologetic of the future around Marxism to help the religious enter class consciousness. Oh man, you really are the exact same person you were 10 years ago --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951048729] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>I unblocked you so you could be in the company of experienced and educated people.</quote>I dont understand what one has to do with the other pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>Atheists will need to stop being about dismantling religions, and instead theyll need to be more like how I am choosing to be - builders of an apologetic of the future around Marxism to help the religious enter class consciousness. </quote>Oh man, you really are the exact same person you were 10 years ago </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/25/21 2:40:42 AM #62:	pure_temper posted... On the note of atheism, since I just mentioned it - I wouldn't be surprised if atheism ceases to exist in the next 10 years in its current form. Class consciousnes will have to overcome it, and it'll dominate it easily. The workers are in the churches/synagogues/mosques/temples, man. Just absolutely wild posts. Completely detached from facts and any kind of logical thinking --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951048741] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>On the note of atheism, since I just mentioned it - I wouldn't be surprised if atheism ceases to exist in the next 10 years in its current form. Class consciousnes will have to overcome it, and it'll dominate it easily. The workers are in the churches/synagogues/mosques/temples, man.</quote> Just absolutely wild posts. Completely detached from facts and any kind of logical thinking </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 2:43:43 AM #63:	FlameTurtle posted... I dont understand what one has to do with the other you would not have seen this topic if i did not knowingly unblock you, since blocking you hides topics. consider it a gift and olive branch like to the other guy who accepted it (and is way more experienced than you) Or dont and begone for good lol, your only chance to choose. FlameTurtle posted... Oh man, you really are the exact same person you were 10 years ago sort of. Renewed. Bigger, faster, stronger, lots more experience, than 10 years ago, with a decent career that will give me the capital to do this good work for the cause of the common person. I am confident and not ashamed and I will do the work as best as I can. Im not gonna be arrogant though, I have a lot to learn. But when it comes to Christianity, economics, tech, cults, and Marx, Im enjoying and growing rapidly in this intersection of subjects and hope to be of increasing value to others over time as we all should strive. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951048787] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>FlameTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>I dont understand what one has to do with the other</quote> you would not have seen this topic if i did not knowingly unblock you, since blocking you hides topics. consider it a gift and olive branch like to the other guy who accepted it (and is way more experienced than you) Or dont and begone for good lol, your only chance to choose. FlameTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>Oh man, you really are the exact same person you were 10 years ago</quote> sort of. Renewed. Bigger, faster, stronger, lots more experience, than 10 years ago, with a decent career that will give me the capital to do this good work for the cause of the common person. I am confident and not ashamed and I will do the work as best as I can. Im not gonna be arrogant though, I have a lot to learn. But when it comes to Christianity, economics, tech, cults, and Marx, Im enjoying and growing rapidly in this intersection of subjects and hope to be of increasing value to others over time as we all should strive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 2:44:42 AM #64:	FlameTurtle posted... Just absolutely wild posts. Completely detached from facts and any kind of logical thinking we can have a serious conversation about that or you can go back to the block list where you wont see this topic anymore which is where you were until I decided to give BruceToast an olive branch. Or w/e you said your main was. Your choice lol. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951048802] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>FlameTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>Just absolutely wild posts. Completely detached from facts and any kind of logical thinking</quote> we can have a serious conversation about that or you can go back to the block list where you wont see this topic anymore which is where you were until I decided to give BruceToast an olive branch. Or w/e you said your main was. Your choice lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/25/21 2:45:25 AM #65:	pure_temper posted... you would not have seen this topic if i did not knowingly unblock you, since blocking you hides topics. Yeah but what does that have to do with being in the company of educated people pure_temper posted... sort of. Renewed. Bigger, faster, stronger, with a decent career that will give me the capital to do this good work for the cause of the common person. Like when you revolutionized healthcare, right? pure_temper posted... Im not gonna be arrogant though Lmao --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951048811] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>you would not have seen this topic if i did not knowingly unblock you, since blocking you hides topics.</quote>Yeah but what does that have to do with being in the company of educated people pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>sort of. Renewed. Bigger, faster, stronger, with a decent career that will give me the capital to do this good work for the cause of the common person.</quote>Like when you revolutionized healthcare, right? pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>Im not gonna be arrogant though</quote>Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/25/21 2:47:18 AM #66:	How out there does someone have to be to think that atheism is going to disappear in 10 years how do you hold any kind of discussion with that person --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951048843] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>How out there does someone have to be to think that atheism is going to disappear in 10 years how do you hold any kind of discussion with that person </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 2:49:39 AM #67:	FlameTurtle posted... How out there does someone have to be to think that atheism is going to disappear in 10 years how do you hold any kind of discussion with that person this type of trend already happened once. It took 10 years. New atheism got fucked by Atheism+ which became social justice and Marxist leftism. that will happen again except with respect to Marxist flavors of religions like we have already been exploring in this topic considering Marx may have actually been inspired by Jesus which means the working class which is majority religious can be too this is not rocket science --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951048881] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>FlameTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>How out there does someone have to be to think that atheism is going to disappear in 10 years how do you hold any kind of discussion with that person</quote> this type of trend already happened once. It took 10 years. New atheism got fucked by Atheism+ which became social justice and Marxist leftism. that will happen again except with respect to Marxist flavors of religions like we have already been exploring in this topic considering Marx may have actually been inspired by Jesus which means the working class which is majority religious can be too this is not rocket science </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/25/21 2:59:51 AM #68:	Yeah you didnt actually say anything logical in that post, Just rambling nonsense --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951049036] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Yeah you didnt actually say anything logical in that post, Just rambling nonsense </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/25/21 3:15:43 AM #70:	Just to be clear, I think there are interesting connections in various religious thought and Marxism. The notion that institutional religion will be a central force for modern Marxist ideology is not something I think is likely or even plausible --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:951049294] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Just to be clear, I think there are interesting connections in various religious thought and Marxism. The notion that institutional religion will be a central force for modern Marxist ideology is not something I think is likely or even plausible </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IHeartRadiation 02/25/21 3:18:05 AM #71:	Just in case this hasn't been posted yet because I'm not going to read most of the topic: https://biblehub.com/2_thessalonians/3-10.htm --- I don't get it either. <cite>IHeartRadiation posted [p:951049319] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Just in case this hasn't been posted yet because I'm not going to read most of the topic: https://biblehub.com/2_thessalonians/3-10.htm </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/25/21 8:40:43 AM #72:	Questionmarktarius posted... Jesus made it quite clear that it was all voluntary and optional. Not so much with Marx. It was voluntary and optional in the same sense that entering the kingdom of heaven was optional. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:951053784] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Jesus made it quite clear that it was all voluntary and optional. Not so much with Marx.</quote> It was voluntary and optional in the same sense that entering the kingdom of heaven was optional. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 02/25/21 8:41:58 AM #73:	What is it about what you say and how you say it --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:951053817] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>What is it about what you say and how you say it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 9:29:53 AM #74:	scar the 1 posted... Just to be clear, I think there are interesting connections in various religious thought and Marxism. The notion that institutional religion will be a central force for modern Marxist ideology is not something I think is likely or even plausible institutional religion? No they are Pharisees. but since we are short on time (climate, Capitol terror attacks) we have to be creative about empowering the workers by any peaceful means necessary the fact that atheists say Jesus would have been a Marxist is all I need to see to know this can be leveraged creatively because he literally would have been. And since religions exist at the communal level already, without even really needing $ to operate, all over the world... imo. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951055002] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>Just to be clear, I think there are interesting connections in various religious thought and Marxism. The notion that institutional religion will be a central force for modern Marxist ideology is not something I think is likely or even plausible</quote> institutional religion? No they are Pharisees. but since we are short on time (climate, Capitol terror attacks) we have to be creative about empowering the workers by any peaceful means necessary the fact that atheists say Jesus would have been a Marxist is all I need to see to know this can be leveraged creatively because he literally would have been. And since religions exist at the communal level already, without even really needing $ to operate, all over the world... imo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 9:30:00 AM #75:	MedeaLysistrata posted... What is it about what you say and how you say it go on --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951055007] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>MedeaLysistrata posted... </cite> <quote>What is it about what you say and how you say it</quote> go on </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 02/25/21 9:33:07 AM #76:	Jesus would have just had better food banks and mental health facilities Jesus was capitalist af until your good as an owner started to cause harm Hell he ran his own carpentry business for a while. It was just a boring time and no one cares to write it down --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:951055088] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Jesus would have just had better food banks and mental health facilities Jesus was capitalist af until your good as an owner started to cause harm Hell he ran his own carpentry business for a while. It was just a boring time and no one cares to write it down </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 9:34:37 AM #77:	Unsugarized_Foo posted... Jesus would have just had better food banks and mental health facilities Jesus was capitalist af until your good as an owner started to cause harm Hell he ran his own carpentry business for a while. It was just a boring time and no one cares to write it down he was a carpenter, not an exploiter. the same way Paul repaired fishing equipment for people when he needed to make money. this is some serious Supply Side Jesus bs that doesnt exist in the actual New Testament --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951055138] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Unsugarized_Foo posted... </cite> <quote>Jesus would have just had better food banks and mental health facilities Jesus was capitalist af until your good as an owner started to cause harm Hell he ran his own carpentry business for a while. It was just a boring time and no one cares to write it down</quote> he was a carpenter, not an exploiter. the same way Paul repaired fishing equipment for people when he needed to make money. this is some serious Supply Side Jesus bs that doesnt exist in the actual New Testament </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/25/21 10:00:36 AM #78:	Tyranthraxus posted... It was voluntary and optional in the same sense that entering the kingdom of heaven was optional. well, it is. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:951055854] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>It was voluntary and optional in the same sense that entering the kingdom of heaven was optional.</quote>well, it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thighon 02/25/21 10:02:03 AM #79:	why did you unblock me i hope you werent under the impression i think of your posts as anything other than fever dream nonsense <cite>Thighon posted [p:951055900] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>why did you unblock me i hope you werent under the impression i think of your posts as anything other than fever dream nonsense </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 10:03:38 AM #80:	Thighon posted... why did you unblock me Only as an olive branch so you can see this topic. Its up to you if you accept it or wish to go back there lol. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951055938] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Thighon posted... </cite> <quote>why did you unblock me</quote> Only as an olive branch so you can see this topic. Its up to you if you accept it or wish to go back there lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 10:07:24 AM #81:	> i didnt and wont read it > this reads as something trolly begone --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951056022] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>> i didnt and wont read it > this reads as something trolly begone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
On_The_Edge 02/25/21 10:11:59 AM #82:	Solid Snake07 posted... Jesus preached charity not theft disguised as it ^ <cite>On_The_Edge posted [p:951056123] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Jesus preached charity not theft disguised as it</quote>^ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 10:14:30 AM #83:	On_The_Edge posted... ^ Acts 4:32-35 says this: "32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And Gods grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need." But yes, non-violence and voluntary. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951056205] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>On_The_Edge posted... </cite> <quote>^</quote> Acts 4:32-35 says this: "32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And Gods grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need." But yes, non-violence and voluntary. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 02/25/21 10:15:46 AM #84:	Jesus was a follower of God not man <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:951056228] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Jesus was a follower of God not man </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 10:17:59 AM #85:	2Pacavelli posted... Jesus was a follower of God not man to say that Jesus would have been a Marxist is just to say that Acts 4:32-35 and things Jesus preached very much sound like what Marx went on to say much later --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951056285] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>2Pacavelli posted... </cite> <quote>Jesus was a follower of God not man</quote> to say that Jesus would have been a Marxist is just to say that Acts 4:32-35 and things Jesus preached very much sound like what Marx went on to say much later </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 02/25/21 10:22:40 AM #86:	I understand what you're getting at and agree with what you're trying to say. Even though I have some disagreements with full on Marxism (Complete state control of resources and labor) Jesus believed the rich should use what they've been blessed with to help the poor. That's basically what you're saying and I agree The only thing I disagre about with Marxism is if state becomes tyrannical they can abuse their power if they have full control of resources and labor. But that's an issue with all political systems. Even in America you have communism for the rich whenever it's more beneficial for them. Even eminent domain which people would look at as communism was used by the American government at the detriment to those without power <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:951056438] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>I understand what you're getting at and agree with what you're trying to say. Even though I have some disagreements with full on Marxism (Complete state control of resources and labor) Jesus believed the rich should use what they've been blessed with to help the poor. That's basically what you're saying and I agree The only thing I disagre about with Marxism is if state becomes tyrannical they can abuse their power if they have full control of resources and labor. But that's an issue with all political systems. Even in America you have communism for the rich whenever it's more beneficial for them. Even eminent domain which people would look at as communism was used by the American government at the detriment to those without power </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 10:25:37 AM #87:	2Pacavelli posted... I understand what you're getting at and agree with what you're trying to say. Even though I have some disagreements with full on Marxism (Complete state control of resources and labor) Jesus believed the rich should use what they've been blessed with to help the poor. That's basically what you're saying and I agree The only thing I disagre about with Marxism is if state becomes tyrannical they can abuse their power if they have full control of resources and labor. But that's an issue with all political systems. Even in America you have communism for the rich whenever it's more beneficial for them. Even eminent domain which people would look at as communism was used by the American government at the detriment to those without power you may be interested in post #8. If things are as distributed/decentralized as possible, there is no single point of failure or opportunity for bad actors to use State power that way. Community-run solar/wind/vertical farms, ISPs. Infrastructure backed by government where it makes sense - roads, utilities that cannot be decentralized, etc. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951056500] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>2Pacavelli posted... </cite> <quote>I understand what you're getting at and agree with what you're trying to say. Even though I have some disagreements with full on Marxism (Complete state control of resources and labor) Jesus believed the rich should use what they've been blessed with to help the poor. That's basically what you're saying and I agree The only thing I disagre about with Marxism is if state becomes tyrannical they can abuse their power if they have full control of resources and labor. But that's an issue with all political systems. Even in America you have communism for the rich whenever it's more beneficial for them. Even eminent domain which people would look at as communism was used by the American government at the detriment to those without power</quote> you may be interested in post #8. If things are as distributed/decentralized as possible, there is no single point of failure or opportunity for bad actors to use State power that way. Community-run solar/wind/vertical farms, ISPs. Infrastructure backed by government where it makes sense - roads, utilities that cannot be decentralized, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 3:27:10 PM #88:	@Shablagoo greetings friend. Im curious if you see something incorrect in either post #1 or #8 --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951067882] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>@Shablagoo greetings friend. Im curious if you see something incorrect in either post #1 or #8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/25/21 7:20:40 PM #89:	pure_temper posted... @Shablagoo greetings friend. Im curious if you see something incorrect in either post #1 or #8 Hey man, I might revisit this topic later in more depth but Im diggin it! Thanks for the link about those vertical farms, that was very cool to read about. Anyway Im about to start cooking dinner but Ill name-drop https://www.reddit.com/r/RadicalChristianity/ for now. Its a leftist/revolutionary Christian subreddit. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:951078437] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>@Shablagoo greetings friend. Im curious if you see something incorrect in either post #1 or #8</quote> Hey man, I might revisit this topic later in more depth but Im diggin it! Thanks for the link about those vertical farms, that was very cool to read about. Anyway Im about to start cooking dinner but Ill name-drop https://www.reddit.com/r/RadicalChristianity/ for now. Its a leftist/revolutionary Christian subreddit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 7:22:24 PM #90:	I will check it out only if you address what @RebelElite791 said in your topic, because otherwise I cannot step into a subreddit if its what he said --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951078497] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>I will check it out only if you address what @RebelElite791 said in your topic, because otherwise I cannot step into a subreddit if its what he said </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/25/21 7:54:40 PM #91:	Oh r/radicalchristianity has nothing to do with what he was talking about in my topic. Entirely unrelated. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:951079973] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Oh r/radicalchristianity has nothing to do with what he was talking about in my topic. Entirely unrelated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/25/21 7:55:18 PM #92:	Since you arent denying what he said I am afraid I cant really trust that. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951080004] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Since you arent denying what he said I am afraid I cant really trust that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/27/21 3:44:03 AM #93:	bump --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951137270] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom36 02/27/21 3:56:52 AM #94:	Jesus would have absolutely been a capitalist. He was a very successful man, he preached prosperity, while at the same time preaching charity, giving to the needy, sharing your success and not necessarily being a slave to money. He would not be on favor of forced wealth distribution. I think the misnomer is that people believe Jesus was poor for some reason. This is false. Jesus owned a ministry, and one of his apostles was his treasurer. Broke people don't need a treasurer. On Palm Sunday he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. By today's standards, people read that and perceive it as a low form of travel. But 2,000 years ago in the middle east, having a donkey was a luxury. This was like a Rolls Royce back then. When he was crucified, they cast lots to see who would get a piece of his cloak. His cloak was a one-piece robe, the most expensive article of clothing back then. This was like a mink coat bank then. In today's world, imagine Jesus driving into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday in a Bentley, while wearing a designer suit, all while his ministry was earning him a net worth. --- The Phantom has spoken! <cite>Phantom36 posted [p:951137465] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Jesus would have absolutely been a capitalist. He was a very successful man, he preached prosperity, while at the same time preaching charity, giving to the needy, sharing your success and not necessarily being a slave to money. He would not be on favor of forced wealth distribution. I think the misnomer is that people believe Jesus was poor for some reason. This is false. Jesus owned a ministry, and one of his apostles was his treasurer. Broke people don't need a treasurer. On Palm Sunday he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. By today's standards, people read that and perceive it as a low form of travel. But 2,000 years ago in the middle east, having a donkey was a luxury. This was like a Rolls Royce back then. When he was crucified, they cast lots to see who would get a piece of his cloak. His cloak was a one-piece robe, the most expensive article of clothing back then. This was like a mink coat bank then. In today's world, imagine Jesus driving into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday in a Bentley, while wearing a designer suit, all while his ministry was earning him a net worth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/27/21 3:58:52 AM #95:	"The Phantom has spoken!" Your sig is saying the truth. It isn't fucking God or Jesus or Truth that has spoken through the filth you've typed, but the fucking Phantom or AKA Lucifer or Ignorance or whatever you wish to call that thing. Get the fuck out of here buddy. The Prosperity Gospel in its current form will be smashed. Read your Bible. acts 4:32-35 32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And Gods grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951137492] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>"The Phantom has spoken!" Your sig is saying the truth. It isn't fucking God or Jesus or Truth that has spoken through the filth you've typed, but the fucking Phantom or AKA Lucifer or Ignorance or whatever you wish to call that thing. Get the fuck out of here buddy. The Prosperity Gospel in its current form will be smashed. Read your Bible. acts 4:32-35 32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And Gods grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom36 02/27/21 4:02:14 AM #96:	Yeah anyone can take 3 sentences out of the bible without any context to force a point like that. What I just said was infallible truth when you consider the overall context of the text. --- The Phantom has spoken! <cite>Phantom36 posted [p:951137531] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Yeah anyone can take 3 sentences out of the bible without any context to force a point like that. What I just said was infallible truth when you consider the overall context of the text. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/27/21 4:04:52 AM #97:	Phantom36 posted... Yeah anyone can take 3 sentences out of the bible without any context to force a point like that. What I just said was infallible truth when you consider the overall context of the text. no it was not and no one with a serious understanding of reality and the Bible would ever conclude that Jesus would support the Big Oil Billionaire machine. if youre wrong then on the Bibles view youre literally the rich man parable person --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951137571] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Phantom36 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah anyone can take 3 sentences out of the bible without any context to force a point like that. What I just said was infallible truth when you consider the overall context of the text.</quote> no it was not and no one with a serious understanding of reality and the Bible would ever conclude that Jesus would support the Big Oil Billionaire machine. if youre wrong then on the Bibles view youre literally the rich man parable person </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom36 02/27/21 4:09:49 AM #98:	The context of that parable shows very clear that the rich man was in hell for how he treated people and because of his lustful greed, not because he was rich. Jesus was successful and wanted people to prosper, but at the same time wants us to be giving and charitable, as opposes to being a slave to money. In this regard you are absolutely correct that Jesus would not support the big ol greedy billionaire machine. He wouldn't support forced wealth distribution but would support giving unto others. --- The Phantom has spoken! <cite>Phantom36 posted [p:951137628] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>The context of that parable shows very clear that the rich man was in hell for how he treated people and because of his lustful greed, not because he was rich. Jesus was successful and wanted people to prosper, but at the same time wants us to be giving and charitable, as opposes to being a slave to money. In this regard you are absolutely correct that Jesus would not support the big ol greedy billionaire machine. He wouldn't support forced wealth distribution but would support giving unto others. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pure_temper 02/27/21 4:11:36 AM #100:	Jesus would support wealth redistribution until the point where Maslows hierarchy of needs is satisfied for all humans. In fact, the Bible explicitly commands the church to work towards achieving this. This is simply the case like it or not. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951137656] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Jesus would support wealth redistribution until the point where Maslows hierarchy of needs is satisfied for all humans. In fact, the Bible explicitly commands the church to work towards achieving this. This is simply the case like it or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/27/21 4:11:51 AM #101:	ProfessorKukui posted... Laying it on thick... i like thicc --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951137660] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>ProfessorKukui posted... </cite> <quote>Laying it on thick...</quote> i like thicc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 02/27/21 4:53:14 AM #102:	Jesus would support wealth redistribution? So he would support forcefully taking the property and assets of others and redistribute that wealth to poorer folks like Robin Hood? I thought Jesus was all about voluntarism --- Each night, when I go to sleep, I die. <cite>David1988 posted [p:951138116] in Jesus woul... [t:79315313]...</cite> <quote>Jesus would support wealth redistribution? So he would support forcefully taking the property and assets of others and redistribute that wealth to poorer folks like Robin Hood? I thought Jesus was all about voluntarism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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