Poll of the Day > Why should offices ever reopen?

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CarefreeDude posted...

I enjoy working from home. No commute, can do my wife over lunch, don't have to wear pants, and my home office is very cozy

yeah, but youre missing out on having your workday constantly interrupted by some insecure fartnozzle and his asinine ramblings. is it really worth it?

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TheOkHornedRat posted...

yeah, but youre missing out on having your workday constantly interrupted by some insecure fartnozzle and his asinine ramblings. is it really worth it?

And collared shirts... and wasting gallons of gas every day... and paying 1k plus for day care... and all the office drama and awkward parties and fantasy football leagues...

My God we really need covid to stop so we can get back to all this great stuff we had the fortune of being made to do before.

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There are far fewer pretty girls at home than work.

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DrYuya posted...

I mean...you can still work...you can even still interact. If it's post covid and everything is reopened you can even interact in person at nearby establishments (gyms, churches, etc etc) if its the in person aspect that you like.

But there's still no need for OFFICES

Interacting with the same individuals makes it easier to find friends

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DrYuya posted...

But even acknowledging the presence of these sadistic psychopaths and thier own weird enjoyments...doesn't mean they should be the reason for EVERYONE to come back. They've hurt everyone else long enough... this is a good chance for it to end

While I agree with you in general, calling people like me psychopaths goes way to far. Separation of worklife and homelife is important, afterall, one works to live, not live to work.

If a person can create their own, sufficient workspace, that is great, but that does not mean employer created workspaces, (or flexible/rentable) should not be a thing.

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TheOkHornedRat posted...

Extroverts are more than welcome to go back to the office if they really need it, but for my sake, I've spent enough of my life trying to be more like one of them.

It was hilarious to see them all lose their fucking minds as the world told them they needed to be more like me for a little bit though. The moment the roles were reversed they all turned into gigantic crybabies.

That was actually kind of funny in a way. Like, I always saw / see more introverted people getting shit on for being that way.

But, good god, I still cant believe how absolutely unable to handle having to stay in the more extroverted people were.

The pandemic could have been a good lesson in learning how to entertain yourself when going out isnt an option... but Im sure rather than trying to learn or make the best of it, its easier or more fun to just act like its the end of the world.

Weird flex, but I guess Im lucky in that Im happy with both staying in or going out \_()_/

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rexcrk posted...

That was actually kind of funny in a way. Like, I always saw / see more introverted people getting shit on for being that way.

But, good god, I still cant believe how absolutely unable to handle having to stay in the more extroverted people were.

The pandemic could have been a good lesson in learning how to entertain yourself when going out isnt an option... but Im sure rather than trying to learn or make the best of it, its easier or more fun to just act like its the end of the world.

Weird flex, but I guess Im lucky in that Im happy with both staying in or going out \_()_/

It'd be more funny if there weren't a bunch of CEOs and management who they get in the ear of with this "let's return to the office" nonsense.

Like, if there was actually a scenario that played out in such a way that these people could go back to an office if they want to so bad but anyone who doesn't want to can stay home and work...that'd be great.

But corporation rarely make rules like that...mostly likely because some are wanting to go back they make us ALL go back. I mean...if it's what the company/CEO/shareholders want to do it's going to happen. Us being more productive at home or not won't matter.... they'll do it and find some rando stat to justify doing it, because there's enough of these other types who want it so bad for no good reason...and since they'll have the backing of all these types of employees the general corporate culture will probably be that it's a negative thing if you even bring up how things worked just fine for you at home.

That's a possibility, though looking around and reading about it more...it seems the support for just staying at home and working remotely is definitely out there as well. I guess even the corporate culture swaying towards everyone coming back can't really solve the issue of "what if all of these people who liked at home work and did good with it just go somewhere else that offers remote work when we stop doing it?". Chances are they are all the best, most efficient workers anyway (after all...they want to work, not go and form social cliqs after an hour commute) so that loss is hopefully too devastating for a company to bear and they see sense?

Even if not...I have noticed a huge increase of fully remote postings (at least, for GIS developers/analysts and probably other tech jobs). If some companies just won't accept a remote working environment I have to believe enough others will. I've already started applying for these early just to be ready in case they do try to send us all back...maybe the best scenario is just that some companies accept that remote working is the new way to go...and others stay behind and keep doing things the old way? I guess then an employee could still decide for themselves, by working for a remote company or one where everyone goes to the office.

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*shrug* they should just make it so that you can choose to do one or the other. It would also mean that people who are sick could just have a "work from home" day if they're only mildly ill so they don't make their coworkers sick.

But they won't. Letting people work from home means you don't have as much control over them and their time.

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Don't know what's been said since there's a lot of post, but it depends on what you do in the office... For some jobs, it's possible to do at home, but easier at the office. Meetings are better, as well. Also, human interaction is usually pretty good. And you don't have to use you're own supplies... Basically, there are plenty of good reasons depending on what you do...

Also, I feel like they might try to get me to do more stuff than I'd want to. And after work hours or something. Like if work was ending in 5 minutes, they'd still try to get me to do like an extra hour's work...

DrYuya posted...

If it's post covid and everything is reopened you can even interact in person at nearby establishments (gyms, churches, etc etc)

Depends on what you do with your free time. Many people don't do things outside of work. So, they interact with co-workers while at work. Not to mention, many people may not interact at certain public places. Like the only time I ever really talk to people is when I know them. Or that one kid who threw up. But normal, I just workout. And some people just need to get out of the house. I know many people who said it sucked working from home with the kids running around, and the spouse asking for stuff... Some people also don't have a good work space. Like I don't have an office at home. So, it's better for me at work... And I can focus more on work at work. I mean, if you don't like to go to the office, that's fine. But many people have reasons they want to go back...

DrYuya posted...

But there's still no need for OFFICES

There's no need for a lot of things. Restaurants aren't needed, nor are video games, or many other things people like... That being said, offices are needed for my job to make it actually work. If we didn't go into the office, everything would actually suck...
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DrYuya posted...

It is...and add to that if you have kids...ones that are old enough to know to stay quiet while you work but would have to otherwise be in an expensive day care if you were at the office...now you don't have to pay for day care.

Some people had family to watch kids and didn't have to pay for daycare. Others got "free daycare" in the form of schools... Most of the time when people had kids at home while working, it wasn't the ones old enough to stay quiet...

rexcrk posted...

The thought of being able to work from home is extremely appealing to me.

It's seems appealing, though I know I'd get tired of it really quick...

grimhilde00 posted...

I can see why remote is preferable for some people and have seen good arguments for it. But there are valid reasons people prefer not working remote too. You however just sound insufferable.

I agree!

DrYuya posted...

So the original point still stands.

Sounds more like you're brushing away other's opinions because they don't matter to you, when they do to others. Or you don't care. The point is some people like working at home and some don't. Some do better at home, where some do better in offices. I don't see why some people can't work from home while others go into the office...

Dikitain posted...

You lose that interaction with your co-workers that is kind of key to being able to work effectively together.

This is true for me. I work better with people I'm closer to...

CarefreeDude posted...

70 dollars of grubhub

I'm guessing that's big where you are?

DrYuya posted...

Like, if there was actually a scenario that played out in such a way that these people could go back to an office if they want to so bad but anyone who doesn't want to can stay home and work...that'd be great.

But corporation rarely make rules like that...mostly likely because some are wanting to go back they make us ALL go back.

Really? Do you believe that? I ask because at least a few people in this topic have said that their work was letting people do both. And more offices probably will, as well...
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Kids being quiet vs those who cant...there's not really any "most of the time" to this is there? There's just the normal distribution of kid types theres always been.

Maybe the negative stories you hear about at home work...yeah for sure those would feature complaints about kids not staying quiet. But those are the stories that get told...nobody is going to get much attention talking about their regular 5-10 year old (who the law says needs supervision) who knows how to stay quiet while you work...it's not a very interesting story. Was common enough though I'd imagine for many people and freeing up that day care cost was a godsend.

And I'm pretty sure actually that yeah...the average company isn't going to let some stay home and others go into the office long term. I definitely have no proof that this won't happen... but anecdotal evidence from a few here thier companies are allowing it isn't proof it will happen either. "Most likely" is all I or anyone can say here. And knowing just how companies are... and how they won't really having enjoy separate rules etc for different employees this just doesn't seem likely.

I mean...it COULD happen if enough people push for it...or the ceo/leaders think it will work...or any other number of factors come into play. And I could eat these words definitely...but I just don't see this being what actually occurs in general.

So anyway...

Whats going on here is that we are all probably mostly in agreement? Let the ones who want to go, go...and let the ones who want to stay, stay.

Sure I dont understand the allure of going back to the office. And people talking about making friends, meeting girls or needing the social interaction...to me those all sound like negatives and reason I DONT want to go back... being around others who were there for that stuff.. My wording could be more understanding I guess...but ultimately I don't care if they go back and wanted to go back. I may not ever agree that thier reasons for wanting that are really great...but thats fine. I mean, they probably don't care much about my commute or childcare issues if they live close to the job or don't have kids...so we can all dismiss eachothers points we feel are valid... doesn't matter in the end I guess because it doesn't have any bearing on what event actually happens?

My original point of the thread was that the ones who don't want to go back should never be made to if they can do everything as or more effectively than they did from the office (which a lot of people are doing just fine)

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