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SocialistGamer 03/02/21 8:54:08 PM #1:	good female character. Wanda isn't a mary sue and has several issues and problems but can still carry media without it feeling forced. --- Capcom is the best developer ever! Steam ID: SocialistGamer92 <cite>SocialistGamer posted [p:951272339] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>good female character. Wanda isn't a mary sue and has several issues and problems but can still carry media without it feeling forced. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 03/02/21 8:55:45 PM #2:	how's Captain Marvel a Mary Sue? --- https://imgur.com/mApEnf3 <cite>g0ldie posted [p:951272383] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>how's Captain Marvel a Mary Sue? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 03/02/21 8:59:23 PM #3:	Some female characters are just going to suck because the character sucks. Same can be said for male characters. I can't stand Vision and I have no love for the character. I think he's lame. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM, G.O.A.T. <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:951272498] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Some female characters are just going to suck because the character sucks. Same can be said for male characters. I can't stand Vision and I have no love for the character. I think he's lame. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pome 03/02/21 8:59:52 PM #4:	g0ldie posted... how's Captain Marvel a Mary Sue? Because people don't like the actress <cite>Pome posted [p:951272519] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>g0ldie posted... </cite> <quote>how's Captain Marvel a Mary Sue?</quote>Because people don't like the actress </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiggy101011 03/02/21 9:01:18 PM #5:	I mean one has to tell a character story in 90 minutes and the other has had 4 movies and 9 TV shows. --- XBL: F1RE v2 PSN: F1REx <cite>Jiggy101011 posted [p:951272570] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>I mean one has to tell a character story in 90 minutes and the other has had 4 movies and 9 TV shows. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 03/02/21 9:06:16 PM #6:	Carol Danvers falls into a handful of Mary Sue tropes but I dont think shes any more of one than anyone else in the MCU. Almost all the heroes in the MCU have that everybody loves them despite them being insufferable people syndrome. As for competence, Tony Stark created the single most advanced power generator in a cave, with a box of scraps. Dr. Strange mastered magic in record time. Carols weakness is that shes just boring as fuck. And you cant even blame that on Brie Larson as shes proven more than able to make similar characters compelling and charismatic in other movies --- https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:951272729] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Carol Danvers falls into a handful of Mary Sue tropes but I dont think shes any more of one than anyone else in the MCU. Almost all the heroes in the MCU have that everybody loves them despite them being insufferable people syndrome. As for competence, Tony Stark created the single most advanced power generator in a cave, with a box of scraps. Dr. Strange mastered magic in record time. Carols weakness is that shes just boring as fuck. And you cant even blame that on Brie Larson as shes proven more than able to make similar characters compelling and charismatic in other movies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 03/02/21 9:17:53 PM #7:	g0ldie posted... how's Captain Marvel a Mary Sue? The thing I usually hear is that she never has to actually struggle or overcome a flaw. There's not much character development or anything. But, to be honest, I only saw her movie once and I can't remember much of anything about it. <cite>Esrac posted [p:951273073] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>g0ldie posted... </cite> <quote>how's Captain Marvel a Mary Sue?</quote> The thing I usually hear is that she never has to actually struggle or overcome a flaw. There's not much character development or anything. But, to be honest, I only saw her movie once and I can't remember much of anything about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 03/02/21 9:18:33 PM #8:	I'm at the point now where I immediately tune an argument out if the phrase Mary Sue is mentioned. --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:951273091] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>I'm at the point now where I immediately tune an argument out if the phrase Mary Sue is mentioned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 03/02/21 9:19:02 PM #9:	Superman is such a Mary Sue --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:951273105] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Superman is such a Mary Sue </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 03/02/21 9:19:21 PM #10:	Esrac posted... But, to be honest, I only saw her movie once and I can't remember much of anything about it. Same. Plus amnesia as a plot device is some weak sauce. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM, G.O.A.T. <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:951273119] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted... </cite> <quote>But, to be honest, I only saw her movie once and I can't remember much of anything about it.</quote> Same. Plus amnesia as a plot device is some weak sauce. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Catgirl Fondler 03/02/21 9:19:42 PM #11:	Captain Marvel's problem is that she's Carol Danvers, not that she's Mary Sue. Like, man, I couldn't tolerate that woman when she was still Ms. Marvel, and I'm glad a better character got to take over that mantle. (I'm not a fan of the Inhumans in general, but I still like Kamala.) Now we just need Danvers to go into another coma so we can maybe get a better Captain Marvel too. --- N/A <cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted [p:951273131] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Captain Marvel's problem is that she's Carol Danvers, not that she's Mary Sue. Like, man, I couldn't tolerate that woman when she was still Ms. Marvel, and I'm glad a better character got to take over that mantle. (I'm not a fan of the Inhumans in general, but I still like Kamala.) Now we just need Danvers to go into another coma so we can maybe get a better Captain Marvel too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 03/02/21 9:21:32 PM #12:	The Catgirl Fondler posted... Captain Marvel's problem is that she's Carol Danvers, not that she's Mary Sue. Like, man, I couldn't tolerate that woman when she was still Ms. Marvel, and I'm glad a better character got to take over that mantle. (I'm not a fan of the Inhumans in general, but I still like Kamala.) Now we just need Danvers to go into another coma so we can maybe get a better Captain Marvel too. I will say, Carol being in a long-term coma is easily the best writing her character has ever had. <cite>Esrac posted [p:951273174] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>The Catgirl Fondler posted... </cite> <quote>Captain Marvel's problem is that she's Carol Danvers, not that she's Mary Sue. Like, man, I couldn't tolerate that woman when she was still Ms. Marvel, and I'm glad a better character got to take over that mantle. (I'm not a fan of the Inhumans in general, but I still like Kamala.) Now we just need Danvers to go into another coma so we can maybe get a better Captain Marvel too.</quote> I will say, Carol being in a long-term coma is easily the best writing her character has ever had. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/02/21 9:22:37 PM #13:	UnholyMudcrab posted... I'm at the point now where I immediately tune an argument out if the phrase Mary Sue is mentioned. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:951273199] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote>I'm at the point now where I immediately tune an argument out if the phrase Mary Sue is mentioned. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 03/02/21 9:22:42 PM #14:	g0ldie posted... how's Captain Marvel a Mary Sue? Her effortless ability to trigger people like TC is OP as fuck. She really needed her own trilogy to gradually develop into that level of triggering. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:951273204] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>g0ldie posted... </cite> <quote>how's Captain Marvel a Mary Sue?</quote> Her effortless ability to trigger people like TC is OP as fuck. She really needed her own trilogy to gradually develop into that level of triggering. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 03/02/21 9:24:11 PM #15:	Wanda has been as powerful if not more so than Captain Marvel and until Wanda vision almost all of her character development was off screen. I don't get people --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:951273245] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Wanda has been as powerful if not more so than Captain Marvel and until Wanda vision almost all of her character development was off screen. I don't get people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 03/02/21 9:26:16 PM #16:	Other then them both being female and extremely powerful, they are not really similar characters. Though calling Captain Marvel a character is being generous, she is an extremely bland trope machine that serves more as a plot device than a character. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:951273311] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Other then them both being female and extremely powerful, they are not really similar characters. Though calling Captain Marvel a character is being generous, she is an extremely bland trope machine that serves more as a plot device than a character. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoungMutual 03/02/21 9:28:42 PM #17:	thronedfire2 posted... Superman is such a Mary Sue Superman is the most boring superhero ever Granted, most superhero shit is awful, but I mean comparetively --- YoungMutual <cite>YoungMutual posted [p:951273391] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>Superman is such a Mary Sue</quote>Superman is the most boring superhero ever Granted, most superhero shit is awful, but I mean comparetively </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Catgirl Fondler 03/02/21 9:32:20 PM #18:	Esrac posted... I will say, Carol being in a long-term coma is easily the best writing her character has ever had. I legitimately hope that's how Captain Marvel 2 ends, with the added bonus of being one of the bridges that brings mutants over into the MCU. Of course, I will not deny my absolute biases in that Rogue has always been one of my favorites. :P --- N/A <cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted [p:951273507] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote> I will say, Carol being in a long-term coma is easily the best writing her character has ever had. </quote> I legitimately hope that's how Captain Marvel 2 ends, with the added bonus of being one of the bridges that brings mutants over into the MCU. Of course, I will not deny my absolute biases in that Rogue has always been one of my favorites. :P</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 03/02/21 9:33:21 PM #19:	Do people just call characters they do not like Mary Sue just cause? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:951273545] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Do people just call characters they do not like Mary Sue just cause? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 03/02/21 9:36:02 PM #20:	LightHawKnight posted... Do people just call characters they do not like Mary Sue just cause? In the eyes of nerds, female characters have to jump through a lot of hoops to be deemed acceptable. Either they're "useless" because they don't fight how people want or they're a mary she because they're not strong in the way people want. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:951273619] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>Do people just call characters they do not like Mary Sue just cause? </quote> In the eyes of nerds, female characters have to jump through a lot of hoops to be deemed acceptable. Either they're "useless" because they don't fight how people want or they're a mary she because they're not strong in the way people want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 03/02/21 9:36:17 PM #21:	Superman stories need to do one of two things: -scale down his powers relative to his setting so that you get all the cool action without wondering why doesnt he just throw them into the sun? -go all in on his overpowered abilities and tell wacky ass sci-fi stories that would literally be impossible with any other character. Why DC refuses to revisit Golden Age Superman is beyond me. Superman Smashes the Klan and the three issues of low powered Superman at the beginning of New 52 were outstanding. I want a whole series of that kind of shit. --- https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:951273629] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Superman stories need to do one of two things: -scale down his powers relative to his setting so that you get all the cool action without wondering why doesnt he just throw them into the sun? -go all in on his overpowered abilities and tell wacky ass sci-fi stories that would literally be impossible with any other character. Why DC refuses to revisit Golden Age Superman is beyond me. Superman Smashes the Klan and the three issues of low powered Superman at the beginning of New 52 were outstanding. I want a whole series of that kind of shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/02/21 9:43:37 PM #22:	Esrac posted... The thing I usually hear is that she never has to actually struggle or overcome a flaw. There's not much character development or anything. Eh she was a brainwashed super soldier who had to hunt down alien refugees while being told to be emotionless. She had to reverse all of that. Really not that different from most MCU stories. Hell Wanda also started out by having to change allegiances and having to rethink what she believed. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:951273852] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted... </cite> <quote>The thing I usually hear is that she never has to actually struggle or overcome a flaw. There's not much character development or anything.</quote> Eh she was a brainwashed super soldier who had to hunt down alien refugees while being told to be emotionless. She had to reverse all of that. Really not that different from most MCU stories. Hell Wanda also started out by having to change allegiances and having to rethink what she believed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 03/02/21 9:45:13 PM #23:	Darmik posted... Eh she was a brainwashed super soldier who had to hunt down alien refugees while being told to be emotionless. She had to reverse all of that. Well, she can start whenever she's ready. <cite>Esrac posted [p:951273897] in Weird how ... [t:79326800]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Eh she was a brainwashed super soldier who had to hunt down alien refugees while being told to be emotionless. She had to reverse all of that. </quote> Well, she can start whenever she's ready. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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