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pure_temper 03/16/21 12:04:04 AM #52:	asdf8562 posted... The only obligation I have is what I want to post this is true. That is why I said if they don't wish to provide an actual argument, they can go about their business lol. Either way at some point I'd ignore what people have to say if they're only offering bullshit. It's on them if they don't wish to continue, that's true. Obviously. It's not like we can force someone to post on Gamefaqs, dude. The whole point is that he doesn't have to respond to my requests for an argument too, even if I asked for them. Did you think about that angle too? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951754927] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite> <quote>The only obligation I have is what I want to post</quote> this is true. That is why I said if they don't wish to provide an actual argument, they can go about their business lol. Either way at some point I'd ignore what people have to say if they're only offering bullshit. It's on them if they don't wish to continue, that's true. Obviously. It's not like we can force someone to post on Gamefaqs, dude. The whole point is that he doesn't have to respond to my requests for an argument too, even if I asked for them. Did you think about that angle too? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 03/16/21 12:05:52 AM #53:	pure_temper posted... That is why I said if they don't wish to provide an actual argument, they can go about their business lol. Expect responding is their business. What you want which is a debate you think you deserve, isn't. Debates do not prove anyone is correct. They serve more as a time waster than anything else. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:951754962] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>That is why I said if they don't wish to provide an actual argument, they can go about their business lol.</quote>Expect responding is their business. What you want which is a debate you think you deserve, isn't. Debates do not prove anyone is correct. They serve more as a time waster than anything else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 12:07:07 AM #54:	Nobody deserves anything. We can only respond to what comes our way. If that's arguments, great. If it's someone requesting arguments, great. If it's someone ceasing to respond at some point, that's great too. Been online for a long time, I know how this works. Why do you think that calling out a non-argument makes someone entitled? It's a legitimate point to make. Anyone is free to argue or not argue at whatever length they choose for themselves. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951754989] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>Nobody deserves anything. We can only respond to what comes our way. If that's arguments, great. If it's someone requesting arguments, great. If it's someone ceasing to respond at some point, that's great too. Been online for a long time, I know how this works. Why do you think that calling out a non-argument makes someone entitled? It's a legitimate point to make. Anyone is free to argue or not argue at whatever length they choose for themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 12:07:43 AM #55:	asdf8562 posted... Debates do not prove anyone is correct. i'm not a fan of debates conversations tho? they're great and important. part of life. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951755002] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite> <quote>Debates do not prove anyone is correct.</quote> i'm not a fan of debates conversations tho? they're great and important. part of life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 03/16/21 12:15:50 AM #56:	pure_temper posted... do you think that calling out a non-argument makes someone entitled? I'd label your "calling out someone" about as relevant to you calling out someone who says 2+2=4, because you say it's 73. You called anyone who doesn't grace you with a counter-argument "shit posting." You even went further to proclaim what's the point of posting if they dont want to debate anyone they disagree with. You even laughably called it, "weak." As if debates randoms on the internet who debate crazy shit is some show of lol strength. Like it would make you look strong to debate the guy claiming 2+2 adds up to 30. That's the entitlement on your part. pure_temper posted... i'm not a fan of debates conversations tho? they're great and important. part of life. Call it whatever you want, you are not entitled to one. Nor does a "whatever you want to call it" actually provide much value to everyone if they see no actual point. I for example am not jumping into a debate with anyone arguing 2+2 adds to 15. I'd call you an idiot and move on, let someone else grace themselves with the headache to break it down. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:951755201] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>do you think that calling out a non-argument makes someone entitled?</quote>I'd label your "calling out someone" about as relevant to you calling out someone who says 2+2=4, because you say it's 73. You called anyone who doesn't grace you with a counter-argument "shit posting." You even went further to proclaim what's the point of posting if they dont want to debate anyone they disagree with. You even laughably called it, "weak." As if debates randoms on the internet who debate crazy shit is some show of lol strength. Like it would make you look strong to debate the guy claiming 2+2 adds up to 30. That's the entitlement on your part. pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>i'm not a fan of debates conversations tho? they're great and important. part of life.</quote>Call it whatever you want, you are not entitled to one. Nor does a "whatever you want to call it" actually provide much value to everyone if they see no actual point. I for example am not jumping into a debate with anyone arguing 2+2 adds to 15. I'd call you an idiot and move on, let someone else grace themselves with the headache to break it down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 12:19:16 AM #57:	asdf8562 posted... You called anyone who doesn't grace you with a counter-argument "shit posting." you know you do have a legitimate point here and I'll concede it - it's better to just offer my rebuttal and see if someone continues, otherwise let the silence speak for itself. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951755296] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite> <quote> You called anyone who doesn't grace you with a counter-argument "shit posting."</quote> you know you do have a legitimate point here and I'll concede it - it's better to just offer my rebuttal and see if someone continues, otherwise let the silence speak for itself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 03/16/21 12:23:19 AM #58:	pure_temper posted... silence speak for itself. The silence should for the record say the person you were talking to is done. It doesnt however prove you, me, or anyone in this topic was actually correct. Last word contests and debates are fun to pass the time, but they don't actually speak for which argument was objective, true and factual. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:951755379] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>silence speak for itself.</quote>The silence should for the record say the person you were talking to is done. It doesnt however prove you, me, or anyone in this topic was actually correct. Last word contests and debates are fun to pass the time, but they don't actually speak for which argument was objective, true and factual. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 12:27:11 AM #59:	asdf8562 posted... The silence should for the record say the person you were talking to is done. It doesnt however prove you, me, or anyone in this topic was actually correct. Last word contests and debates are fun to pass the time, but they don't actually speak for which argument was objective, true and factual. Yeah I agree with you. Most people who change their minds on anything are probably doing it after a longer process involving self-reflection. Conversations play a role though. When I speak with someone on something and they have a novel idea or point I've never heard before, it definitely does contribute to a more coherent worldview. Each individual in the conversation has to be as honest about their views and the other views as possible. I've personally accepted other people's arguments as being valid many a time, until further investigation or self-reflection lead me to other views. Etc. It's a process. Conversation is a part of that process. :shrug: --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951755477] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite> <quote>The silence should for the record say the person you were talking to is done. It doesnt however prove you, me, or anyone in this topic was actually correct. Last word contests and debates are fun to pass the time, but they don't actually speak for which argument was objective, true and factual.</quote> Yeah I agree with you. Most people who change their minds on anything are probably doing it after a longer process involving self-reflection. Conversations play a role though. When I speak with someone on something and they have a novel idea or point I've never heard before, it definitely does contribute to a more coherent worldview. Each individual in the conversation has to be as honest about their views and the other views as possible. I've personally accepted other people's arguments as being valid many a time, until further investigation or self-reflection lead me to other views. Etc. It's a process. Conversation is a part of that process. :shrug: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CwebbMichSac4 03/16/21 10:13:54 AM #60:	nump <cite>CwebbMichSac4 posted [p:951763907] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>nump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 03/16/21 10:15:10 AM #61:	"the possible happened" is never evidence for the supernatural. Improbable does not equal impossible. Give me a literal miracle or gtfo. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:951763938] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>"the possible happened" is never evidence for the supernatural. Improbable does not equal impossible. Give me a literal miracle or gtfo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 03/16/21 10:16:06 AM #62:	Absolutely not. Nothing would increase my belief in religion. --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:951763956] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely not. Nothing would increase my belief in religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 12:06:59 PM #63:	philsov posted... "the possible happened" is never evidence for the supernatural. Improbable does not equal impossible. Give me a literal miracle or gtfo. defining miracles as "that which is impossible" makes miracles a contradiction It's like asking for a square circle or a married bachelor - it's just not a thing that is even sensical, so how would someone give you one of those? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951767232] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote>"the possible happened" is never evidence for the supernatural. Improbable does not equal impossible. Give me a literal miracle or gtfo.</quote> defining miracles as "that which is impossible" makes miracles a contradiction It's like asking for a square circle or a married bachelor - it's just not a thing that is even sensical, so how would someone give you one of those? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CwebbMichSac4 03/16/21 12:33:58 PM #64:	pure_temper posted... defining miracles as "that which is impossible" makes miracles a contradiction It's like asking for a square circle or a married bachelor - it's just not a thing that is even sensical, so how would someone give you one of those? dude, are you a religious person? <cite>CwebbMichSac4 posted [p:951768212] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>defining miracles as "that which is impossible" makes miracles a contradiction It's like asking for a square circle or a married bachelor - it's just not a thing that is even sensical, so how would someone give you one of those?</quote>dude, are you a religious person? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 12:44:23 PM #65:	CwebbMichSac4 posted... dude, are you a religious person? i believe there's a god(s) but I don't follow any rules or sects. my view is that every parallel to Jesus in history / across cultures is not necessarily suggesting they're all fake, just that they're all the same person or group of people. they'd exist at the top of this scale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951768534] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>CwebbMichSac4 posted... </cite> <quote>dude, are you a religious person?</quote> i believe there's a god(s) but I don't follow any rules or sects. my view is that every parallel to Jesus in history / across cultures is not necessarily suggesting they're all fake, just that they're all the same person or group of people. they'd exist at the top of this scale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 03/16/21 12:51:35 PM #66:	Lol no, it is all odds. --- Doom, the game with unlimited ways to play. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:951768784] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>Lol no, it is all odds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedJackson 03/16/21 1:04:28 PM #67:	Provide a miracle and people will still say its plausible under the laws of science because everything is science just like everything falls under politics because it takes into account basic foundations of government that so happen to all be threaded together The religious can be incredibly stubborn but so are you guys lol its clear that you guys are set in your ways to call people who also disagree trolls, (___), and (___) Answer the questions and go down the rabbit hole at the very least is what temper is saying. Having some mindset youve held on from the past about religion or images of American guys holding signs about how God hates _____ is just as misinformed as what you deem lapses in judgement about logic --- https://imgur.com/e6aBSof - Pus_N_Pecans original! https://imgur.com/bve6U7T - Error1335 original! <cite>RedJackson posted [p:951769295] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>Provide a miracle and people will still say its plausible under the laws of science because everything is science just like everything falls under politics because it takes into account basic foundations of government that so happen to all be threaded together The religious can be incredibly stubborn but so are you guys lol its clear that you guys are set in your ways to call people who also disagree trolls, (___), and (___) Answer the questions and go down the rabbit hole at the very least is what temper is saying. Having some mindset youve held on from the past about religion or images of American guys holding signs about how God hates _____ is just as misinformed as what you deem lapses in judgement about logic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 1:05:15 PM #68:	RedJackson posted... Answer the questions and go down the rabbit hole at the very least is what temper is saying. Having some mindset youve held on from the past about religion or images of American guys holding signs about how God hates _____ is just as misinformed as what you deem lapses in judgement about logic you're wise and so on point my friend. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951769338] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>RedJackson posted... </cite> <quote>Answer the questions and go down the rabbit hole at the very least is what temper is saying. Having some mindset youve held on from the past about religion or images of American guys holding signs about how God hates _____ is just as misinformed as what you deem lapses in judgement about logic</quote> you're wise and so on point my friend. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 03/16/21 1:08:50 PM #69:	MICHALECOLE posted... No I would never even associate the two --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:951769475] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>MICHALECOLE posted... </cite> <quote>No I would never even associate the two</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t5yvxc 03/16/21 2:54:59 PM #70:	pure_temper posted... i believe there's a god(s) but I don't follow any rules or sects. my view is that every parallel to Jesus in history / across cultures is not necessarily suggesting they're all fake, just that they're all the same person or group of people. they'd exist at the top of this scale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale You know could just answer "yes, I'm religious." Really doesn't matter what God or God's you believe in. It also doesn't matter what so called rules you abide to. The fact that you believe in any gods at all to explain phenomenon you lack understanding to, makes you a religious person. All of your answers are tap dancing around that you are indeed a religious person. <cite>t5yvxc posted [p:951773114] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>i believe there's a god(s) but I don't follow any rules or sects. my view is that every parallel to Jesus in history / across cultures is not necessarily suggesting they're all fake, just that they're all the same person or group of people. they'd exist at the top of this scale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale</quote>You know could just answer "yes, I'm religious." Really doesn't matter what God or God's you believe in. It also doesn't matter what so called rules you abide to. The fact that you believe in any gods at all to explain phenomenon you lack understanding to, makes you a religious person. All of your answers are tap dancing around that you are indeed a religious person. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GGuirao13 03/16/21 2:59:10 PM #71:	No. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>GGuirao13 posted [p:951773253] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>No. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 3:03:05 PM #72:	t5yvxc posted... You know could just answer "yes, I'm religious." Really doesn't matter what God or God's you believe in. It also doesn't matter what so called rules you abide to. The fact that you believe in any gods at all to explain phenomenon you lack understanding to, makes you a religious person. All of your answers are tap dancing around that you are indeed a religious person. if you wish to define religious as believing in gods then that is on you its understood in common parlance that being religious implies following rituals or rules or a specific sect tho and you would do well to not discount that also, believing in a god is really just the same thing as believing that theres most likely aliens out there. Its a big universe after all and there are good arguments explaining why the Fermi paradox isnt one at all. god would just be whichever being is at the top of the Kardashev scale. It has nothing to do with needing to explain something we cannot understand scientifically lol. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951773394] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>t5yvxc posted... </cite> <quote>You know could just answer "yes, I'm religious." Really doesn't matter what God or God's you believe in. It also doesn't matter what so called rules you abide to. The fact that you believe in any gods at all to explain phenomenon you lack understanding to, makes you a religious person. All of your answers are tap dancing around that you are indeed a religious person.</quote> if you wish to define religious as believing in gods then that is on you its understood in common parlance that being religious implies following rituals or rules or a specific sect tho and you would do well to not discount that also, believing in a god is really just the same thing as believing that theres most likely aliens out there. Its a big universe after all and there are good arguments explaining why the Fermi paradox isnt one at all. god would just be whichever being is at the top of the Kardashev scale. It has nothing to do with needing to explain something we cannot understand scientifically lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t5yvxc 03/16/21 3:09:45 PM #73:	pure_temper posted... you wish to define religious as believing in gods then that is on you It's not on me lol Words have definitions. Believing in god(s) or other supernatural beings to explain shit you don't understand is literally one of the definitions. How you go about worshipping or acknowledging their existence doesn't matter. The fact that you believe in their existence at all makes you one of the definitions of religious. You are literally talking like a religious person and using logic straight out of religion. You assume a God exists, and all of your logic is contingent on this. Logic equivalent to me arguing "Beerus and Goku are real, prove me wrong." <cite>t5yvxc posted [p:951773614] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>you wish to define religious as believing in gods then that is on you</quote>It's not on me lol Words have definitions. Believing in god(s) or other supernatural beings to explain shit you don't understand is literally one of the definitions. How you go about worshipping or acknowledging their existence doesn't matter. The fact that you believe in their existence at all makes you one of the definitions of religious. You are literally talking like a religious person and using logic straight out of religion. You assume a God exists, and all of your logic is contingent on this. Logic equivalent to me arguing "Beerus and Goku are real, prove me wrong." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Kazuya 03/16/21 3:21:34 PM #74:	I don't buy the sperm analogy because it's not like I have a conscious knowledge of every sperm I wasn't or that I was banking on that sperm cell winning. One of them was gonna win eventually. In the same way that the chance a lottery number is a number is 100%. --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:951774054] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>I don't buy the sperm analogy because it's not like I have a conscious knowledge of every sperm I wasn't or that I was banking on that sperm cell winning. One of them was gonna win eventually. In the same way that the chance a lottery number is a number is 100%. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 3:34:45 PM #75:	t5yvxc posted... It's not on me lol Words have definitions. Believing in god(s) or other supernatural beings to explain shit you don't understand is literally one of the definitions. How you go about worshipping or acknowledging their existence doesn't matter. The fact that you believe in their existence at all makes you one of the definitions of religious. You are literally talking like a religious person and using logic straight out of religion. You assume a God exists, and all of your logic is contingent on this. Logic equivalent to me arguing "Beerus and Goku are real, prove me wrong." https://www.google.com/search?q=religious+definition&oq=religious+definition religious /rlijs/ adjective relating to or believing in a religion. noun a person bound by monastic vows. believing in god does not mean following any religious interpretation or rules or rituals or anything like that. that is what a theist is. you can be a theist without being religious or belonging to any particular religious sects. https://www.google.com/search?q=theist+definition&oq=theist+definition theist /THist/ noun a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. adjective denoting or relating to belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. maybe next time google definitions first? edit: and there are variants of "theist" that differ on to what extent they believe god(s) intervene in the universe --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951774593] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>t5yvxc posted... </cite> <quote>It's not on me lol Words have definitions. Believing in god(s) or other supernatural beings to explain shit you don't understand is literally one of the definitions. How you go about worshipping or acknowledging their existence doesn't matter. The fact that you believe in their existence at all makes you one of the definitions of religious. You are literally talking like a religious person and using logic straight out of religion. You assume a God exists, and all of your logic is contingent on this. Logic equivalent to me arguing "Beerus and Goku are real, prove me wrong."</quote> https://www.google.com/search?q=religious+definition&oq=religious+definition religious /rlijs/ adjective relating to or believing in a religion.noun a person bound by monastic vows. believing in god does not mean following any religious interpretation or rules or rituals or anything like that. that is what a theist is. you can be a theist without being religious or belonging to any particular religious sects. https://www.google.com/search?q=theist+definition&oq=theist+definition theist /THist/ noun a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. adjective denoting or relating to belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. maybe next time google definitions first? edit: and there are variants of "theist" that differ on to what extent they believe god(s) intervene in the universe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 4:41:41 PM #76:	Correction: that is NOT what a theist is*** --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951776988] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>Correction: that is NOT what a theist is*** </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IloveJesus 03/16/21 4:49:01 PM #77:	If I won the lottery that would be an argument against the existence of most people's interpretation of God. There's definitely people who deserve it more. --- Jesus loves us. It only seems fair to love him back. <cite>IloveJesus posted [p:951777279] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>If I won the lottery that would be an argument against the existence of most people's interpretation of God. There's definitely people who deserve it more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 03/16/21 4:53:09 PM #78:	pure_temper posted... defining miracles as "that which is impossible" makes miracles a contradiction In the bible, for example, there are some miracles. Multiplication of food from nothingness, revival of the dead, cleansing leprosy by touch, the earth ceasing to rotate, etc. My personal favorite is St. Denis -- he was decapitated, then supposedly picked up his own head, kept on talking and preaching, and then eventually fell over in a slump about two miles from where the beheading occurred. There is a very clear distinction between natural and supernatural. Imagine if any of that shit went on in 2021! We'd have videos out of the ass. Instead, all we get is a potato chip that vaguely resembles Jesus. This is a natural occurrence; with billions of potato chips in the world, at some point, yes, one or two is going to resemble a person if you squint your eyes and tilt your head a bit. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:951777422] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted...</cite> <quote>defining miracles as "that which is impossible" makes miracles a contradiction</quote> In the bible, for example, there are some miracles. Multiplication of food from nothingness, revival of the dead, cleansing leprosy by touch, the earth ceasing to rotate, etc. My personal favorite is St. Denis -- he was decapitated, then supposedly picked up his own head, kept on talking and preaching, and then eventually fell over in a slump about two miles from where the beheading occurred. There is a very clear distinction between natural and supernatural. Imagine if any of that shit went on in 2021! We'd have videos out of the ass. Instead, all we get is a potato chip that vaguely resembles Jesus. This is a natural occurrence; with billions of potato chips in the world, at some point, yes, one or two is going to resemble a person if you squint your eyes and tilt your head a bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 4:56:56 PM #79:	philsov posted... In the bible, for example, there are some miracles. Multiplication of food from nothingness, revival of the dead, cleansing leprosy by touch, the earth ceasing to rotate, etc. There is a very clear distinction between natural and supernatural. An occurrence with a nonzero chance of happening, happening, isn't proof of divine. We are already approximating some of those capabilities with technology we have now. Lab-grown meat, grown from cultures of just some cells, MRNA platform for vaccines allowing rapid development and delivery, etc. In the Bible those events would just be examples of whatever technology becomes after trillions of years of development. For example, I'd totally expect beings at the top of this scale to be capable of terraforming, matter manipulation in ways we still consider sci-fi or far-future, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale I'd still consider them miracles or "supernatural" but I think we have sufficient technology and wisdom now to more fully understand the adage - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" So was it magic or supernatural or just the culmination of trillions of years (without limit) of technological development? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951777548] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote>In the bible, for example, there are some miracles. Multiplication of food from nothingness, revival of the dead, cleansing leprosy by touch, the earth ceasing to rotate, etc. There is a very clear distinction between natural and supernatural. An occurrence with a nonzero chance of happening, happening, isn't proof of divine.</quote> We are already approximating some of those capabilities with technology we have now. Lab-grown meat, grown from cultures of just some cells, MRNA platform for vaccines allowing rapid development and delivery, etc. In the Bible those events would just be examples of whatever technology becomes after trillions of years of development. For example, I'd totally expect beings at the top of this scale to be capable of terraforming, matter manipulation in ways we still consider sci-fi or far-future, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale I'd still consider them miracles or "supernatural" but I think we have sufficient technology and wisdom now to more fully understand the adage - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" So was it magic or supernatural or just the culmination of trillions of years (without limit) of technological development? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 4:58:34 PM #80:	philsov posted... Imagine if any of that shit went on in 2021! We'd have videos with loads of mass communication. Alas. yeah but if we were being entirely fair, we'd note the periods in history in the bible where the Israelites were saying the same stuff. "where is god? we want to see god." etc. Sometimes for hundreds of years even. It's difficult to know when or how an advanced species would intervene. Perhaps they have their version of the Prime Directive and only intervene when there's extinction-level events. Who knows? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951777610] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine if any of that shit went on in 2021! We'd have videos with loads of mass communication. Alas.</quote> yeah but if we were being entirely fair, we'd note the periods in history in the bible where the Israelites were saying the same stuff. "where is god? we want to see god." etc. Sometimes for hundreds of years even. It's difficult to know when or how an advanced species would intervene. Perhaps they have their version of the Prime Directive and only intervene when there's extinction-level events. Who knows? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 03/16/21 5:05:38 PM #81:	pure_temper posted... So was it magic or supernatural or just the culmination of trillions of years (without limit) of technological development? Or a bunch of lies, shifted over the course of generations like a massive game of Telephone... --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:951777869] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted...</cite> <quote>So was it magic or supernatural or just the culmination of trillions of years (without limit) of technological development?</quote> Or a bunch of lies, shifted over the course of generations like a massive game of Telephone...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 5:09:01 PM #82:	philsov posted... Or a bunch of lies, shifted over the course of generations like a massive game of Telephone... this could be the case, but when i read the bible in its entirety it does present a broad coherent theme that I would only be able to describe as a primitive record of what is basically terraforming / engineering of life the only way to ever be sure is to get into outer space and find a smoking gun, perhaps on the moon or on Mars or far away or etc. but when approached from this perspective that I am describing, I'm pretty confident a compelling case could be made from probability that the world's religions really just describe primitive attempts to record something that was in common around the world. could they all be a massive game of telephone? sure. but when I was an atheist it was a fun argument to make to say "Jesus has so many parallels because they're obviously all copies and fake" Well now I'm of the more charitable view. "Jesus has so many parallels because they could have just all been part of the same civilization" You seen Interstellar and Prometheus? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951777991] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote>Or a bunch of lies, shifted over the course of generations like a massive game of Telephone...</quote> this could be the case, but when i read the bible in its entirety it does present a broad coherent theme that I would only be able to describe as a primitive record of what is basically terraforming / engineering of life the only way to ever be sure is to get into outer space and find a smoking gun, perhaps on the moon or on Mars or far away or etc. but when approached from this perspective that I am describing, I'm pretty confident a compelling case could be made from probability that the world's religions really just describe primitive attempts to record something that was in common around the world. could they all be a massive game of telephone? sure. but when I was an atheist it was a fun argument to make to say "Jesus has so many parallels because they're obviously all copies and fake" Well now I'm of the more charitable view. "Jesus has so many parallels because they could have just all been part of the same civilization" You seen Interstellar and Prometheus? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 03/16/21 5:49:47 PM #83:	You literally cherry picked definitions that didn't make you sound religious lol. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion You literally have principles and beliefs based strictly on your faith there's a god. You cant be actually confused why some aren't willing to have a deep discussion with you if you can't even be honest you're religious. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:951779486] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>You literally cherry picked definitions that didn't make you sound religious lol. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion You literally have principles and beliefs based strictly on your faith there's a god. You cant be actually confused why some aren't willing to have a deep discussion with you if you can't even be honest you're religious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pure_temper 03/16/21 6:13:02 PM #85:	asdf8562 posted... You literally cherry picked definitions that didn't make you sound religious lol. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion You literally have principles and beliefs based strictly on your faith there's a god. You cant be actually confused why some aren't willing to have a deep discussion with you if you can't even be honest you're religious. from your link: usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. I have no devotional or ritual observances and my morality is based on what is independently visible outside of any religious text. the more appropriate way to describe my views is that I am a theist and a futurist and a technologist who borrows from frameworks like Marxism or Christianity or Islam in creating my own interpretation of reality. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951780168] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite> <quote>You literally cherry picked definitions that didn't make you sound religious lol. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion You literally have principles and beliefs based strictly on your faith there's a god. You cant be actually confused why some aren't willing to have a deep discussion with you if you can't even be honest you're religious.</quote> from your link: usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. I have no devotional or ritual observances and my morality is based on what is independently visible outside of any religious text. the more appropriate way to describe my views is that I am a theist and a futurist and a technologist who borrows from frameworks like Marxism or Christianity or Islam in creating my own interpretation of reality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 03/16/21 6:15:13 PM #86:	pure_temper posted... from your link: usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. You're still cherry picking to ignore the definitions that definitely fits you. There's more than one definition sitting there in both links. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:951780254] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>from your link: usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.</quote> You're still cherry picking to ignore the definitions that definitely fits you. There's more than one definition sitting there in both links. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 6:17:09 PM #87:	asdf8562 posted... ou're still cherry picking to ignore the definitions that definitely fits you. There's more than one definition and the definition which best suits me is theist with some futurist/technologist sprinkled in but actually i dont really care, call me whatever you want LMAO. It makes no difference to the content of my views. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951780319] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite> <quote>ou're still cherry picking to ignore the definitions that definitely fits you. There's more than one definition</quote> and the definition which best suits me is theist with some futurist/technologist sprinkled in but actually i dont really care, call me whatever you want LMAO. It makes no difference to the content of my views. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 03/16/21 6:24:19 PM #88:	pure_temper posted... but actually i dont really care, call me whatever you want LMAO. It makes no difference to the content of my views. A religious man, as you are literally one of the definitions of it. You're a man who's entire principle and system of beliefs are based on faith. You even admitted to pulling your beliefs from other religions while also believing there's a God(s) who all the religions share in some kind of way. Write your religion however you wish, it's still religious beliefs and principles guiding you on how the world works. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:951780562] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>but actually i dont really care, call me whatever you want LMAO. It makes no difference to the content of my views.</quote>A religious man, as you are literally one of the definitions of it. You're a man who's entire principle and system of beliefs are based on faith. You even admitted to pulling your beliefs from other religions while also believing there's a God(s) who all the religions share in some kind of way. Write your religion however you wish, it's still religious beliefs and principles guiding you on how the world works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 6:34:02 PM #89:	I'll go ahead and be the person who decides which of my principles and which parts of my system are based on faith. Not interested in anyone else's attempts to define this for me, particularly not someone who just the other night went on a tangent about how debates are pointless, thanks. Are you mad about it or something? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951780926] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>I'll go ahead and be the person who decides which of my principles and which parts of my system are based on faith. Not interested in anyone else's attempts to define this for me, particularly not someone who just the other night went on a tangent about how debates are pointless, thanks. Are you mad about it or something? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 03/16/21 6:39:37 PM #90:	pure_temper posted... You seen Interstellar and Prometheus? sure. they're good science fiction and wonderful dabbles into the what if of everything. Having an idea and believing it to be true are two different things. And then using that belief to be prescriptive rather than descriptive is yet another leap outside the bounds of logic. Going further still would be to make non-believers follow your morality, like all the major religions atm. I don't give two shits what the pope thinks about samesex marraige, because gays shouldn't be catholic in the first place. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:951781098] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted...</cite> <quote>You seen Interstellar and Prometheus?</quote> sure. they're good science fiction and wonderful dabbles into the what if of everything. Having an idea and believing it to be true are two different things. And then using that belief to be prescriptive rather than descriptive is yet another leap outside the bounds of logic. Going further still would be to make non-believers follow your morality, like all the major religions atm. I don't give two shits what the pope thinks about samesex marraige, because gays shouldn't be catholic in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 6:50:12 PM #91:	philsov posted... sure. they're good science fiction and wonderful dabbles into the what if of everything. Having an idea and believing it to be true are two different things. And then using that belief to be prescriptive rather than descriptive is yet another leap outside the bounds of logic. Going further still would be to make non-believers follow your morality, like all the major religions atm. I don't give two shits what the pope thinks about samesex marraige, because gays shouldn't be catholic in the first place. I really enjoyed those movies because while sci-fi, they're on the edge of what is almost technologically possible (in another 100 years I guess?) without being TOO far out there to be about other dimensions and shit. (I will tolerate Interstellar's exploration at the end because it makes some sense in the context, but that's about the limit of the sci-fi I enjoy without it being too much like a fantasy) And I enjoyed the way in which the subjects pertaining to god were broached. From a technologist's view, they basically describe God(s) as beings that do traverse physical space and time and are at the top of the Kardashev scale. When formulated this way, it's a much richer and deeper conception of God imo. At the end of the day, it's all about the probabilities of the matter - how probable is it that there were already exinction-level events that could've eliminated humans or homo erectus, or etc? Etc. At no point would I ever advocate for non-believers to follow any religious morality. If you study history (particularly MLK and Malcom X post-Mecca if you haven't already) you will be blown away by how progressive all religions can be. I don't care about the Pope either or any positions maintained by any official church on earth. At most I'd be deeply interested in the specific words of Jesus and the debates that Paul had with Jews/Pharisees/etc during the first century after Christ. Jesus' approach to morality is basically the same as an atheist's would be - be a good decent person and love people, that's basically the summary of the faith. It's not about regulating what anyone else does with their lives, especially not in a free country. I would never tolerate a theocracy or state-sponsored religion (or state-sponsored atheism for that matter). Secular society first, separation of church and state, freedom from religions and freedom of religions. Hopefully the trend holds true and religions continue to become progressive towards celebrating identities the way they have historically done. I'd argue we don't actually even have much time otherwise, because 7+ billion people follow a religion. Do you think Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss could deconvert that many? Too late for that and their approach is bunk. Time to modernize the approach to religions this way, and set them on the path towards the most charitable interpretation of the respective religion. (Think MLK, Malcom X post-Mecca, etc) --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951781433] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote>sure. they're good science fiction and wonderful dabbles into the what if of everything. Having an idea and believing it to be true are two different things. And then using that belief to be prescriptive rather than descriptive is yet another leap outside the bounds of logic. Going further still would be to make non-believers follow your morality, like all the major religions atm. I don't give two shits what the pope thinks about samesex marraige, because gays shouldn't be catholic in the first place.</quote> I really enjoyed those movies because while sci-fi, they're on the edge of what is almost technologically possible (in another 100 years I guess?) without being TOO far out there to be about other dimensions and shit. (I will tolerate Interstellar's exploration at the end because it makes some sense in the context, but that's about the limit of the sci-fi I enjoy without it being too much like a fantasy) And I enjoyed the way in which the subjects pertaining to god were broached. From a technologist's view, they basically describe God(s) as beings that do traverse physical space and time and are at the top of the Kardashev scale. When formulated this way, it's a much richer and deeper conception of God imo. At the end of the day, it's all about the probabilities of the matter - how probable is it that there were already exinction-level events that could've eliminated humans or homo erectus, or etc? Etc. At no point would I ever advocate for non-believers to follow any religious morality. If you study history (particularly MLK and Malcom X post-Mecca if you haven't already) you will be blown away by how progressive all religions can be. I don't care about the Pope either or any positions maintained by any official church on earth. At most I'd be deeply interested in the specific words of Jesus and the debates that Paul had with Jews/Pharisees/etc during the first century after Christ. Jesus' approach to morality is basically the same as an atheist's would be - be a good decent person and love people, that's basically the summary of the faith. It's not about regulating what anyone else does with their lives, especially not in a free country. I would never tolerate a theocracy or state-sponsored religion (or state-sponsored atheism for that matter). Secular society first, separation of church and state, freedom from religions and freedom of religions. Hopefully the trend holds true and religions continue to become progressive towards celebrating identities the way they have historically done. I'd argue we don't actually even have much time otherwise, because 7+ billion people follow a religion. Do you think Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss could deconvert that many? Too late for that and their approach is bunk. Time to modernize the approach to religions this way, and set them on the path towards the most charitable interpretation of the respective religion. (Think MLK, Malcom X post-Mecca, etc) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 03/16/21 6:50:30 PM #92:	Yes --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:951781448] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 03/16/21 6:51:49 PM #93:	pure_temper posted... I'll go ahead and be the person who decides which of my principles and which parts of my system are based on faith. Not interested in anyone else's attempts to define this for me, particularly not someone who just the other night went on a tangent about how debates are pointless, thanks. Are you mad about it or something? You're not even trying to make sense. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:951781486] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>I'll go ahead and be the person who decides which of my principles and which parts of my system are based on faith. Not interested in anyone else's attempts to define this for me, particularly not someone who just the other night went on a tangent about how debates are pointless, thanks. Are you mad about it or something?</quote>You're not even trying to make sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 03/16/21 6:54:09 PM #94:	I would definitely be making religious donations if my accountant said it would save my ass on taxes. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:951781559] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>I would definitely be making religious donations if my accountant said it would save my ass on taxes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/16/21 6:54:11 PM #95:	asdf8562 posted... You're not even trying to make sense. Dude are you a contrarian or something like UnfairRepresent? It's simple - I don't use faith as a substitute for knowledge. Probability is not faith, it's a tool that has made me money and has a role in these conversations. I avoid views that require a blind faith in anything.I periodically prune these types of views out of my worldview. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951781560] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite> <quote>You're not even trying to make sense.</quote> Dude are you a contrarian or something like UnfairRepresent? It's simple - I don't use faith as a substitute for knowledge. Probability is not faith, it's a tool that has made me money and has a role in these conversations. I avoid views that require a blind faith in anything.I periodically prune these types of views out of my worldview. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CwebbMichSac4 03/17/21 6:41:00 PM #96:	jump <cite>CwebbMichSac4 posted [p:951818980] in If you wer... [t:79349346]...</cite> <quote>jump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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