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Darmik 03/24/21 9:29:08 PM #1:	https://twitter.com/sariahwilson/status/1374833069589327874 I asked Rian Johnson, given that there were no outlines or direction given to him, who he thought Snoke was. I shared with him my hope before TROS that he would turn out to be Darth Plagueis (especially since people returning from the dead in SW is a feature, not a bug). He didn't want his answer to come across wrong, but to him the question of Snoke's identity was fundamentally uninteresting to him. What he was interested in was Kylo. The purpose that Snoke served in the story was entirely in his relationship to Kylo. He said Snoke wasn't this fascinating character that we want to explore, and who is he, etc. For him, he was laser honed in on the characters on the table that he needed to push forward in this chapter which were Rey, Kylo, Finn and Poe. Those four - how did he move them to the next step. Snoke was a bad father figure to Kylo, basically. He said it got to a point where he realized that instead of "repeating exactly the original trilogy," which if they drew it into the last movie with Snoke still being the Emperor figure and Kylo being like Vader, it's just going to lead to a natural and expected pattern. To him the much more interesting thing was, what happens if Kylo ascends. Where does that put him in the last movie where he's in a position of power. To him that was infinitely more interesting than anything regarding who Snoke might be His focus for those scenes and Snoke was how they could best serve one of the main characters. A shame that Disney/Abrams didn't know what else to do if there wan't an expected pattern. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:952080898] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/sariahwilson/status/1374833069589327874 <quote>I asked Rian Johnson, given that there were no outlines or direction given to him, who he thought Snoke was. I shared with him my hope before TROS that he would turn out to be Darth Plagueis (especially since people returning from the dead in SW is a feature, not a bug). He didn't want his answer to come across wrong, but to him the question of Snoke's identity was fundamentally uninteresting to him. What he was interested in was Kylo. The purpose that Snoke served in the story was entirely in his relationship to Kylo. He said Snoke wasn't this fascinating character that we want to explore, and who is he, etc. For him, he was laser honed in on the characters on the table that he needed to push forward in this chapter which were Rey, Kylo, Finn and Poe. Those four - how did he move them to the next step. Snoke was a bad father figure to Kylo, basically. He said it got to a point where he realized that instead of "repeating exactly the original trilogy," which if they drew it into the last movie with Snoke still being the Emperor figure and Kylo being like Vader, it's just going to lead to a natural and expected pattern. To him the much more interesting thing was, what happens if Kylo ascends. Where does that put him in the last movie where he's in a position of power. To him that was infinitely more interesting than anything regarding who Snoke might be His focus for those scenes and Snoke was how they could best serve one of the main characters.</quote> A shame that Disney/Abrams didn't know what else to do if there wan't an expected pattern. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourLovelyTina 03/24/21 9:30:05 PM #2:	Who? oh right, the Palpatine wannabe --- CONGRATULATIONS! You have saved your lovely Tina. Yattane Takahashi! <cite>YourLovelyTina posted [p:952080927] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Who? oh right, the Palpatine wannabe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 03/24/21 9:31:00 PM #3:	I still haven't seen TLJ or TROS but that sounds pretty fair. I remember seeing Snoke in TFA and thinking "oh so they're doing that again?" --- https://imgur.com/u5kY6Yt https://imgur.com/V6HBhkR <cite>Doe posted [p:952080956] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>I still haven't seen TLJ or TROS but that sounds pretty fair. I remember seeing Snoke in TFA and thinking "oh so they're doing that again?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 03/24/21 9:31:30 PM #4:	When he's right, he's right The fascination people had with bootleg Palpatine was laughable --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952080978] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>When he's right, he's right The fascination people had with bootleg Palpatine was laughable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 03/24/21 9:31:53 PM #5:	I'm fine with his explanation, tbh. the worst thing about the Star Wars series, IMO, is how small the galaxy feels, with many of the characters having some kinda pre-established relationship with each other. --- https://imgur.com/mApEnf3 <cite>g0ldie posted [p:952080991] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>I'm fine with his explanation, tbh. the worst thing about the Star Wars series, IMO, is how small the galaxy feels, with many of the characters having some kinda pre-established relationship with each other. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/24/21 9:31:58 PM #6:	Blightzkrieg posted... When he's right, he's right The fascination people had with bootleg Palpatine was laughable This. I never cared about Snoke either. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:952080994] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>When he's right, he's right The fascination people had with bootleg Palpatine was laughable</quote> This. I never cared about Snoke either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CouldBeAnAlt 03/24/21 9:32:26 PM #7:	Big Snoke --- Fithos lusec wecos vinosec <cite>CouldBeAnAlt posted [p:952081012] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Big Snoke </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SevenTenths 03/24/21 9:33:13 PM #8:	How much screen time did the emporer get in the original trilogy? How much of that was spent on his background? --- If you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all. I Like Toast Alt - https://mikelikesthis.net/ The Blog Is back <cite>SevenTenths posted [p:952081045] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>How much screen time did the emporer get in the original trilogy? How much of that was spent on his background? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/24/21 9:34:11 PM #9:	It's funny because what reveal would even matter? Oh he's Darth Plagueis. Oh he's a failed Palpatine clone. And? Why does that matter to any of these characters? Darth Vader being Luke's Dad mattered. The Emperor being the old Chancellor meant nothing to Luke and the story of the Emperor wasn't even relevant until the prequels. Hell a large part of his story still isn't relevant. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:952081077] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>It's funny because what reveal would even matter? Oh he's Darth Plagueis. Oh he's a failed Palpatine clone. And? Why does that matter to any of these characters? Darth Vader being Luke's Dad mattered. The Emperor being the old Chancellor meant nothing to Luke and the story of the Emperor wasn't even relevant until the prequels. Hell a large part of his story still isn't relevant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourLovelyTina 03/24/21 9:34:52 PM #10:	SevenTenths posted... How much screen time did the emporer get in the original trilogy? How much of that was spent on his background? That's a good point. other than "he's the emperor" Palpy didn't get any character development in the OT personally I found him to be the best aspect of the PT, I know I was rooting for him by the end of Episode 3 >_> --- CONGRATULATIONS! You have saved your lovely Tina. Yattane Takahashi! <cite>YourLovelyTina posted [p:952081104] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>SevenTenths posted... </cite> <quote>How much screen time did the emporer get in the original trilogy? How much of that was spent on his background?</quote> That's a good point. other than "he's the emperor" Palpy didn't get any character development in the OT personally I found him to be the best aspect of the PT, I know I was rooting for him by the end of Episode 3 >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabin017 03/24/21 9:35:43 PM #11:	This should've been Snoke's real identity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs2CfPrbKcU --- https://imgur.com/yewTplO <cite>sabin017 posted [p:952081141] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>This should've been Snoke's real identity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs2CfPrbKcU </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EllieWilliams95 03/24/21 9:37:09 PM #12:	Funnily enough Snoke was still a better villain than all of the prequel movie villains (excluding Palpatine). <cite>EllieWilliams95 posted [p:952081198] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Funnily enough Snoke was still a better villain than all of the prequel movie villains (excluding Palpatine). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 03/24/21 9:39:07 PM #13:	Darmik posted... especially since people returning from the dead in SW is a feature, not a bug Maybe Im just having a brain fart here but who in the SW movies was brought back from the dead (in physical form that is - I dont think its fair to equivocate force ghosts as being the same as having a corporeal Plagueis return) at the time The Last Jedi was being written. --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:952081248] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>especially since people returning from the dead in SW is a feature, not a bug</quote>Maybe Im just having a brain fart here but who in the SW movies was brought back from the dead (in physical form that is - I dont think its fair to equivocate force ghosts as being the same as having a corporeal Plagueis return) at the time The Last Jedi was being written. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmbraceOfDeath 03/24/21 9:39:10 PM #14:	Good writing is also apparently uninteresting to Rian Johnson. --- PSN/GT: BigDaffej <cite>EmbraceOfDeath posted [p:952081252] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Good writing is also apparently uninteresting to Rian Johnson. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/24/21 9:39:29 PM #15:	EllieWilliams95 posted... Funnily enough Snoke was still a better villain than all of the prequel movie villains (excluding Palpatine). Prequels randomly introduces and kill off villains willy nilly and nobody complained yeah. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:952081269] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>EllieWilliams95 posted... </cite> <quote>Funnily enough Snoke was still a better villain than all of the prequel movie villains (excluding Palpatine).</quote> Prequels randomly introduces and kill off villains willy nilly and nobody complained yeah. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/24/21 9:40:08 PM #16:	EmbraceOfDeath posted... Good writing is also apparently uninteresting to Rian Johnson. What was bad about the writing? Besides, you know, the weird nitpicks from Critical Drinker and The Quartering and other alt-lite or anti-SJW grifter types on Youtube? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:952081295] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>EmbraceOfDeath posted... </cite> <quote>Good writing is also apparently uninteresting to Rian Johnson.</quote> What was bad about the writing? Besides, you know, the weird nitpicks from Critical Drinker and The Quartering and other alt-lite or anti-SJW grifter types on Youtube? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/24/21 9:40:56 PM #17:	MrToothHasYou posted... Maybe Im just having a brain fart here but who in the SW movies was brought back from the dead (in physical form that is - I dont think its fair to equivocate force ghosts as being the same as having a corporeal Plagueis return) at the time The Last Jedi was being written. Darth Maul. Palpatine was often brought back in the Legends canon too. I think I'm forgetting someone else. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:952081321] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe Im just having a brain fart here but who in the SW movies was brought back from the dead (in physical form that is - I dont think its fair to equivocate force ghosts as being the same as having a corporeal Plagueis return) at the time The Last Jedi was being written.</quote> Darth Maul. Palpatine was often brought back in the Legends canon too. I think I'm forgetting someone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/24/21 9:41:00 PM #18:	YourLovelyTina posted... personally I found him to be the best aspect of the PT, I know I was rooting for him by the end of Episode 3 >_> Well I can concur with this but only because Ian McDiarmid was having so much damn fun playing him. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:952081324] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>YourLovelyTina posted... </cite> <quote>personally I found him to be the best aspect of the PT, I know I was rooting for him by the end of Episode 3 >_></quote>Well I can concur with this but only because Ian McDiarmid was having so much damn fun playing him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/24/21 9:41:54 PM #19:	Blightzkrieg posted... When he's right, he's right The fascination people had with bootleg Palpatine was laughable I didn't like Snoke but an explanation of who the fuck he was and where he came from would have been nice to have. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:952081356] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>When he's right, he's right The fascination people had with bootleg Palpatine was laughable</quote> I didn't like Snoke but an explanation of who the fuck he was and where he came from would have been nice to have. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourLovelyTina 03/24/21 9:43:10 PM #20:	Tyranthraxus posted... I didn't like Snoke but an explanation of who the fuck he was and where he came from would have been nice to have. He's really just the result of lazy writing. It's no coincidence his name is like "smoke" because that's all there was to him --- CONGRATULATIONS! You have saved your lovely Tina. Yattane Takahashi! <cite>YourLovelyTina posted [p:952081397] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't like Snoke but an explanation of who the fuck he was and where he came from would have been nice to have.</quote> He's really just the result of lazy writing. It's no coincidence his name is like "smoke" because that's all there was to him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiggy101011 03/24/21 9:43:44 PM #21:	Fair. Also, this just feels like another example where there should have been a 3 movie plot ready to go from the start. Why hand over the 2nd movie in a trilogy to someone else with 0 guidelines and expect it to work? --- XBL: F1RE v2 PSN: F1REx <cite>Jiggy101011 posted [p:952081409] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Fair. Also, this just feels like another example where there should have been a 3 movie plot ready to go from the start. Why hand over the 2nd movie in a trilogy to someone else with 0 guidelines and expect it to work? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/24/21 9:44:08 PM #22:	I got the impression that Snoke was just a Palpatine puppet, probably not even actually alive except as a puppet so Palpatine sees/knows what's going on. But I know nothing about deep Star Wars lore on whether or not Palpatine knew everything regardless, so --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:952081426] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>I got the impression that Snoke was just a Palpatine puppet, probably not even actually alive except as a puppet so Palpatine sees/knows what's going on. But I know nothing about deep Star Wars lore on whether or not Palpatine knew everything regardless, so </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/24/21 9:44:15 PM #23:	Tyranthraxus posted... I didn't like Snoke but an explanation of who the fuck he was and where he came from would have been nice to have. That's where the reference books and EU stuff comes in. They're the only reason we have so much knowledge about OT and PT characters, anyway. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:952081429] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't like Snoke but an explanation of who the fuck he was and where he came from would have been nice to have.</quote>That's where the reference books and EU stuff comes in. They're the only reason we have so much knowledge about OT and PT characters, anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 03/24/21 9:46:07 PM #24:	Darmik posted... Darth Maul. Palpatine was often brought back in the Legends canon too. I think I'm forgetting someone else. Right! I forgot about Maul. Although Im not sure one character (Legends had been rendered non-canon by that point right?) counts as feature, not bug territory but I guess theres an argument to be made there. --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:952081498] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Darth Maul. Palpatine was often brought back in the Legends canon too. I think I'm forgetting someone else.</quote>Right! I forgot about Maul. Although Im not sure one character (Legends had been rendered non-canon by that point right?) counts as feature, not bug territory but I guess theres an argument to be made there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/24/21 9:46:30 PM #25:	Tyranthraxus posted... I didn't like Snoke but an explanation of who the fuck he was and where he came from would have been nice to have. Sure but that could come later like every other Star Wars villain. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:952081511] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't like Snoke but an explanation of who the fuck he was and where he came from would have been nice to have.</quote> Sure but that could come later like every other Star Wars villain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 03/24/21 9:48:25 PM #26:	Building Kylo at the expense of of Snoke was the right call --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:952081572] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Building Kylo at the expense of of Snoke was the right call </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/24/21 9:51:19 PM #27:	Darmik posted... Sure but that could come later like every other Star Wars villain. Star Wars, at least the OT didn't do that. Jabba was explained in ANH, Vader was explained in ANH, technically he appeared first but the explanation wasn't far behind, Emperor Palpatine was explained in ESB during the Dejarik scene. I mean overall the series has been really good with telegraphing what it was going to do b ahead of time. Snoke ended up the way he did because of "subverting expectations" --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:952081668] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Sure but that could come later like every other Star Wars villain.</quote> Star Wars, at least the OT didn't do that. Jabba was explained in ANH, Vader was explained in ANH, technically he appeared first but the explanation wasn't far behind, Emperor Palpatine was explained in ESB during the Dejarik scene. I mean overall the series has been really good with telegraphing what it was going to do b ahead of time. Snoke ended up the way he did because of "subverting expectations" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/24/21 9:51:34 PM #28:	Yeah I disagree with Darmik that resurrection happens all the time, even factoring in Legends, as long as we're discounting Force Ghosts, the only real ways characters come back is "wasn't actually dead" or "had a clone". As far as Legends goes, I can only think of ~~Thrawn and Ysanne Isard.~~ Tyranthraxus posted... Emperor Palpatine was explained in ESB during the Dejarik scene. Eh? The dejarik scene was in ANH and there was no talk about the Emperor there. He was alluded to in the big Imperial brass meeting, and then there was the holocall with Vader in ESB. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:952081673] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I disagree with Darmik that resurrection happens all the time, even factoring in Legends, as long as we're discounting Force Ghosts, the only real ways characters come back is "wasn't actually dead" or "had a clone". As far as Legends goes, I can only think of Thrawn and Ysanne Isard. Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Emperor Palpatine was explained in ESB during the Dejarik scene.</quote>Eh? The dejarik scene was in ANH and there was no talk about the Emperor there. He was alluded to in the big Imperial brass meeting, and then there was the holocall with Vader in ESB. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 03/24/21 9:54:39 PM #30:	Tyranthraxus posted... Star Wars, at least the OT didn't do that. Jabba was explained in ANH, Vader was explained in ANH, technically he appeared first but the explanation wasn't far behind, Emperor Palpatine was explained in ESB during the Dejarik scene. I mean overall the series has been really good with telegraphing what it was going to do b ahead of time. Snoke ended up the way he did because of "subverting expectations" Explained in what way? I don't think knowing what people are is the same as explaining how they got there. We know Smoke is the leader of the First Order just like we know Jabba is a crime lord and the Emperor is the Emperor. We don't even know the emperor's name in the OT. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:952081805] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Star Wars, at least the OT didn't do that. Jabba was explained in ANH, Vader was explained in ANH, technically he appeared first but the explanation wasn't far behind, Emperor Palpatine was explained in ESB during the Dejarik scene. I mean overall the series has been really good with telegraphing what it was going to do b ahead of time. Snoke ended up the way he did because of "subverting expectations"</quote> Explained in what way? I don't think knowing what people are is the same as explaining how they got there. We know Smoke is the leader of the First Order just like we know Jabba is a crime lord and the Emperor is the Emperor. We don't even know the emperor's name in the OT. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/24/21 10:00:29 PM #31:	Darmik posted... Explained in what way? I don't think knowing what people are is the same as explaining how they got there. We know Smoke is the leader of the First Order just like we know Jabba is a crime lord and the Emperor is the Emperor. We don't even know the emperor's name in the OT. We learn that Jabba is a crime lord who wants Han Solo because of an unpaid debt. We get told a lot about Vader from Obi-Wan and then later the father twist shows up but the twist wasn't that he gets unceremoniously killed off. There's not really a lot to explain about the emperor he's just bad but at least we know he's been in charge of the whole thing. So Snoke is the leader of the first order great but where the fuck did they even come from and how did they get so powerful so quickly. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:952082022] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Explained in what way? I don't think knowing what people are is the same as explaining how they got there. We know Smoke is the leader of the First Order just like we know Jabba is a crime lord and the Emperor is the Emperor. We don't even know the emperor's name in the OT.</quote> We learn that Jabba is a crime lord who wants Han Solo because of an unpaid debt. We get told a lot about Vader from Obi-Wan and then later the father twist shows up but the twist wasn't that he gets unceremoniously killed off. There's not really a lot to explain about the emperor he's just bad but at least we know he's been in charge of the whole thing. So Snoke is the leader of the first order great but where the fuck did they even come from and how did they get so powerful so quickly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/24/21 10:04:06 PM #32:	Jabba was alluded to, yes, but it's not like you get his whole story. Vader you get his whole story because it's... kinda key to the entire plot. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:952082163] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Jabba was alluded to, yes, but it's not like you get his whole story. Vader you get his whole story because it's... kinda key to the entire plot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 03/24/21 10:04:46 PM #33:	Tyranthraxus posted... So Snoke is the leader of the first order great but where the fuck did they even come from and how did they get so powerful so quickly. where did the emperor come from and how did the empire get so powerful so quickly? answer using only the original trilogy. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all https://mikelikesthis.net the blog no one asked for is back <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:952082186] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote> So Snoke is the leader of the first order great but where the fuck did they even come from and how did they get so powerful so quickly.</quote> where did the emperor come from and how did the empire get so powerful so quickly? answer using only the original trilogy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KyoryuCyan 03/24/21 10:05:53 PM #34:	Fuck this guy and his garbage ass movie Attack of the Clones blows the hot garbage that is TLJ out of existence in comparison --- "I ****ed a polar bear and I still can't get you out of my head" <cite>KyoryuCyan posted [p:952082229] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Fuck this guy and his garbage ass movie Attack of the Clones blows the hot garbage that is TLJ out of existence in comparison </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Null_Gain 03/24/21 10:06:08 PM #35:	More than that, it's the fact that Snoke went out like a bitch. He may as well have been "random thug in mos eisley" for the lack of a fight he put up. --- Switch + 3DS + X1 "Don't steal, stop being ignorant and respect other peoples beliefs." -perthboy on flying a Nazi flag <cite>Null_Gain posted [p:952082243] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>More than that, it's the fact that Snoke went out like a bitch. He may as well have been "random thug in mos eisley" for the lack of a fight he put up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/24/21 10:08:20 PM #36:	Null_Gain posted... He may as well have been "random thug in mos eisley" for the lack of a fight he put up. Gotta have that video game boss fight. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:952082320] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Null_Gain posted... </cite> <quote>He may as well have been "random thug in mos eisley" for the lack of a fight he put up.</quote>Gotta have that video game boss fight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/24/21 10:09:57 PM #37:	Tyranthraxus posted... So Snoke is the leader of the first order great but where the fuck did they even come from and how did they get so powerful so quickly. That was pretty much explained in the novel that released before The Force Awakens focusing on Leia. TFA already decided to keep things vague and slap the audience in the middle of the confrontation to repeat the feel of the OT. Which again does not answer where the empire comes from or where Jabba comes from. Because that question isn't relevant to the cast or character development of that movie. The Emperor's and Empires backstory changes literally nothing about the OT. Not to mention Abrams had a third movie and he also wasn't interested in answering this question either. Probably because in order to make it interesting we need to see it from the perspective of people between the OT and ST. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:952082374] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>So Snoke is the leader of the first order great but where the fuck did they even come from and how did they get so powerful so quickly.</quote> That was pretty much explained in the novel that released before The Force Awakens focusing on Leia. TFA already decided to keep things vague and slap the audience in the middle of the confrontation to repeat the feel of the OT. Which again does not answer where the empire comes from or where Jabba comes from. Because that question isn't relevant to the cast or character development of that movie. The Emperor's and Empires backstory changes literally nothing about the OT. Not to mention Abrams had a third movie and he also wasn't interested in answering this question either. Probably because in order to make it interesting we need to see it from the perspective of people between the OT and ST. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kisai 03/24/21 10:10:53 PM #38:	YourLovelyTina posted... That's a good point. other than "he's the emperor" Palpy didn't get any character development in the OT No, of course he didn't. People realize this, right? That nobody knew the backstories of Vader or Palpatine back when the OT came out, but it was okay because it wasn't needed or necessary for them to be cool villains. --- WHO MODS THE MODERATORS? <cite>Kisai posted [p:952082405] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>YourLovelyTina posted... </cite> <quote>That's a good point. other than "he's the emperor" Palpy didn't get any character development in the OT</quote>No, of course he didn't. People realize this, right? That nobody knew the backstories of Vader or Palpatine back when the OT came out, but it was okay because it wasn't needed or necessary for them to be cool villains. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/24/21 10:12:39 PM #39:	Null_Gain posted... More than that, it's the fact that Snoke went out like a bitch. He may as well have been "random thug in mos eisley" for the lack of a fight he put up. He was backstabbed. That's how a lot of Sith Lords go out. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:952082467] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Null_Gain posted... </cite> <quote>More than that, it's the fact that Snoke went out like a bitch. He may as well have been "random thug in mos eisley" for the lack of a fight he put up.</quote> He was backstabbed. That's how a lot of Sith Lords go out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 03/24/21 10:20:23 PM #40:	It was bad. Whats weird is you watch these movies and think theyre not that good but the fans always say "Well ackshuwally its really good." --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:952082710] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>It was bad. Whats weird is you watch these movies and think theyre not that good but the fans always say "Well ackshuwally its really good." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/24/21 10:23:02 PM #41:	LordMarshal posted... It was bad. Whats weird is you watch these movies and think theyre not that good but the fans always say "Well ackshuwally its really good." fuckin loved TLJ --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:952082784] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>It was bad. Whats weird is you watch these movies and think theyre not that good but the fans always say "Well ackshuwally its really good."</quote> fuckin loved TLJ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 03/24/21 10:25:01 PM #42:	Snoke was always a boring ass concept, but its lame as hell that ~~he died without any attempt that fleshing his character or history out~~ like he doesnt need to be fucking Darth Plagueis or Darth Binks to be interesting. He can just have his own damn story >_> --- https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:952082849] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Snoke was always a boring ass concept, but its lame as hell that he died without any attempt that fleshing his character or history out like he doesnt need to be fucking Darth Plagueis or Darth Binks to be interesting. He can just have his own damn story >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 03/24/21 10:25:18 PM #43:	TLJ was the only entry that felt like it was trying to make an actual sequel instead of an imitation Killing off Snoke was a part of that The entire premise of the sequels as a retread of the OT kind of fucked the trilogy from the beginning --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952082858] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>TLJ was the only entry that felt like it was trying to make an actual sequel instead of an imitation Killing off Snoke was a part of that The entire premise of the sequels as a retread of the OT kind of fucked the trilogy from the beginning </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 03/24/21 10:26:49 PM #44:	Darmik posted... He was backstabbed. That's how a lot of Sith Lords go out. He was backstabbed after throwing the protagonist around like a rag doll, it's worth mentioning. I really don't understand all this "he goes out like a bitch" criticism of Luke or Snoke. Its like people are watching a different movie series and are projecting expectations of that series on to this one. --- I'm here live. Its...I'm not a cat. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:952082897] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>He was backstabbed. That's how a lot of Sith Lords go out.</quote>He was backstabbed after throwing the protagonist around like a rag doll, it's worth mentioning. I really don't understand all this "he goes out like a bitch" criticism of Luke or Snoke. Its like people are watching a different movie series and are projecting expectations of that series on to this one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 03/24/21 10:28:29 PM #45:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... He was backstabbed after throwing the protagonist around like a rag doll, it's worth mentioning. I really don't understand all this "he goes out like a bitch" criticism of Luke or Snoke. Its like people are watching a different movie series and are projecting expectations of that series on to this one. People wanted Luke to be Starkiller and it's kind of cringe --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952082946] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>He was backstabbed after throwing the protagonist around like a rag doll, it's worth mentioning. I really don't understand all this "he goes out like a bitch" criticism of Luke or Snoke. Its like people are watching a different movie series and are projecting expectations of that series on to this one.</quote>People wanted Luke to be Starkiller and it's kind of cringe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/24/21 10:29:28 PM #46:	mobilebloechel posted... They should have just revealed that Snoke was Jar Jar. That would have been amazing <cite>Zikten posted [p:952082976] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>mobilebloechel posted...</cite> <quote>They should have just revealed that Snoke was Jar Jar. </quote> That would have been amazing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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marthsheretoo 03/24/21 10:33:24 PM #48:	I never had a problem with treating Snoke as the boring emperor ripoff he was. Killing him off for Kylo was the right move. But the very nature of his existence is something that needs to be accounted for, if your goal is to build a coherent universe. The Emperor doesn't need this treatment; if you establish there's an empire, there has to be someone at the head. That's just a natural consequence of the world you've built. But once you start adding history to an established setting, you need to explain what's going on. Who is the person who rose to power over the imperial remnant, and how did he do it? That's an interesting question, even if you don't want it to draw focus. If you make him super old, make him strong in the force, and give him a bunch of lines about witnessing the rise and fall of the empire, it really does provoke the question of why he didn't insert himself into the galactic situation before, and why he's chosen to now. I can easily understand why paying no attention to these questions could rub people the wrong way. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:952083096] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>I never had a problem with treating Snoke as the boring emperor ripoff he was. Killing him off for Kylo was the right move. But the very nature of his existence is something that needs to be accounted for, if your goal is to build a coherent universe. The Emperor doesn't need this treatment; if you establish there's an empire, there has to be someone at the head. That's just a natural consequence of the world you've built. But once you start adding history to an established setting, you need to explain what's going on. Who is the person who rose to power over the imperial remnant, and how did he do it? That's an interesting question, even if you don't want it to draw focus. If you make him super old, make him strong in the force, and give him a bunch of lines about witnessing the rise and fall of the empire, it really does provoke the question of why he didn't insert himself into the galactic situation before, and why he's chosen to now. I can easily understand why paying no attention to these questions could rub people the wrong way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 03/24/21 10:34:02 PM #49:	hes right --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:952083115] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>hes right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
electricbugs2 03/24/21 10:35:54 PM #50:	To those saying who was he? Theres novels explaining all that shit. Thats how Star Wars has always been. Hell the very first piece of EU was just the dumped sequel to ANH re written as an EU side story. I know not everyone reads books, but this stuff has been fleshed out, just not in the movies. --- Balenciaga hoodies and Gucci shoes #FreeMelly <cite>electricbugs2 posted [p:952083186] in Snoke's id... [t:79367039]...</cite> <quote>To those saying who was he? Theres novels explaining all that shit. Thats how Star Wars has always been. Hell the very first piece of EU was just the dumped sequel to ANH re written as an EU side story. I know not everyone reads books, but this stuff has been fleshed out, just not in the movies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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