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Akagami_Shanks
03/27/21 2:58:41 AM
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Patriots, foxhound, foxdie, les enfants terribles, metal gear, solidus liquid and solid, pazz, cobra squad, what the FUCK is going on in this series

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Doe
03/27/21 3:00:17 AM
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It's really only convoluted when 4 is trying to turn MGS2 into something coherent, when it really wasn't intended to be so

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YoungMan
03/27/21 3:00:37 AM
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what year is this
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Chicken
03/27/21 3:00:40 AM
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all you need to know is nanomachines, son

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bigtiggie23
03/27/21 3:01:41 AM
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It's Sesame Street compared to Kingdom Hearts.
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Gobstoppers12
03/27/21 3:01:57 AM
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It's less convoluted than you think. There's a lot of dialogue and philosophy going on, but it's not that hard to draw a plot web to keep track of who did what for which reasons.

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Lunar_Savage
03/27/21 3:03:12 AM
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4 literally explains everything away with nanomachines and spells out the entire plot of the franchise for you. It really wasn't all that complex.

Just remember Snake is a bad ass up against some twisted ideology and a deadly battle tank equipped with legs and nukes.

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EnvoyOfTheLight
03/27/21 3:03:18 AM
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It's not convoluted, so much as it likes to use names that don't communicate what the names are for, and then it repeats them a billion times to sound mysterious and multilayered.

But layered metaphors don't fucking work when you get one of the layers wrong, Kojima! Liquid, go back to high school biology!.

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Heartomaton
03/27/21 3:04:11 AM
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Nanomachines.

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SuperShake666
03/27/21 3:04:46 AM
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Doe posted...
It's really only convoluted when 4 is trying to turn MGS2 into something coherent, when it really wasn't intended to be so

I mean, it's lunacy but MGS4 does still manage to make it coherent within the logic of the series.

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Doe
03/27/21 3:06:19 AM
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SuperShake666 posted...
I mean, it's lunacy but MGS4 does still manage to make it coherent within the logic of the series.
I agree, but it's a convoluted coherency lol.

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obsolete
03/27/21 3:06:40 AM
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Kingdom Hearts
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Tyranthraxus
03/27/21 3:10:55 AM
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Doe posted...
It's really only convoluted when 4 is trying to turn MGS2 into something coherent, when it really wasn't intended to be so
My headcanon is everything after Raiden gets arrested is a drug addled delusion and never happened.

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Kloe_Rinz
03/27/21 3:12:14 AM
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how about you pay attention? the story isnt complex or confusing
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GirTheRobot
03/27/21 3:12:34 AM
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obsolete posted...
Kingdom Hearts

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Ivany2008
03/27/21 3:31:06 AM
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The easiest way to remember it is this:

Originally there was 1 man, who went by the name of Naked Snake, later to be nicknamed Big Boss after he killed his former leader who was known as The Boss. Many years later 3 men were cloned from his DNA: Solid Snake, Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake. Shortly after, the FOXDIE virus is found, and it is the cause of Solid Snakes advanced aging in MGS4.

FOXHOUND is a group founded by Big Boss.
Les Infant Terribles was a project pushed to clone Big Boss, which is where we got the 3 snakes.

Revolver Ocelot is also injected with the FOXDIE virus, and for some reason he convinces everyone that he's Liquid Snake back from the dead.

It wasn't until MGS5 that they started screwing with the timelines, and making Liquid Snake a young boy.

The patriots or the La Le Lu Le Lo are supposedly the group that run America(and possibly the world) from behind the shadows, but it was never actually confirmed.

I'm probably missing a couple things here and there.
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Kisai
03/27/21 3:31:42 AM
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bigtiggie23 posted...
It's Sesame Street compared to Kingdom Hearts.


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ConfessPlease
03/27/21 4:10:41 AM
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Kingdom Hearts is my favorite series of all time and I'll say kingdom hearts

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Kaiganeer
03/27/21 4:12:41 AM
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it's anime
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pegusus123456
03/27/21 4:22:49 AM
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Lunar_Savage posted...
4 literally explains everything away with nanomachines

Man, that pissed me off.
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MrMallard
03/27/21 4:23:48 AM
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What's more complicated, Metal Gear or Yakuza?

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LiqiudusSnake
03/27/21 4:24:18 AM
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Ivanys take really isn't accurate, so don't take that to heart, read a synopsis. Also, MGS 1-4 is the original storyline, MGSPO, MGSPW, and MGS5 are add-ons that actually detract from the story, and should be very much ignored.

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moh82sy
03/27/21 4:28:29 AM
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It's passable at best, and laughable at worst.

But I agree there's far worse cases in the industry, like Kingdom Hearts for example.
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AlisLandale
03/27/21 4:30:31 AM
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Nothing about MGS was that convoluted, minus the several layers of conspiracy bullshit obfuscating characters true intentions in 2.

The worst part about 4 was stripping away almost all the mysticism and supernatural elements in exchange for boring high-science explanations. Absolutely nothing 4 did with Ocelot/Liquid was better than Ghost Hand >_>

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Doe
03/27/21 4:48:10 AM
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LiqiudusSnake posted...
MGSPO, MGSPW, and MGS5 are add-ons that actually detract from the story, and should be very much ignored.
Peace Walker is great

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Smashingpmkns
03/27/21 4:49:34 AM
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Never understood this criticism. It's not convoluted at all. Especially when you compare it to pretty much every other Japanese game.
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LiqiudusSnake
03/27/21 4:49:46 AM
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Doe posted...
Peace Walker is great

No., it really isnt

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AlisLandale
03/27/21 4:51:33 AM
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LiqiudusSnake posted...
No., it really isnt

Sing

Sing a song

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Doe
03/27/21 5:04:16 AM
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LiqiudusSnake posted...
No., it really isnt
The resolution to the fake strike is so good and ties into John accepting his title and leaving The Boss behind

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EliteGuard99
03/27/21 5:18:41 AM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
It really isnt though. Its pretty straightforward compared to some games
Indeed.

May I present: the written abomination that is the Kingdom Hearts franchise.

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AlisLandale
03/27/21 5:19:50 AM
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EliteGuard99 posted...
Indeed.

May I present: the written abomination that is the Kingdom Hearts franchise.

Kingdom Hearts franchise spoilers:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-9wgOSEG0sqWl9ZQjFrQXpXaEU/view


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harley2280
03/27/21 10:24:58 AM
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It's a mess, but it's a fun mess. MGS 3 is one of the most heartbreaking games I have ever played. The Debriefing theme hits me in the feels everytime.

Also KH's is way worse.
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harley2280
03/27/21 10:27:14 AM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
Peace Walker is under appreciated and does a better job at being MGS5 than MGSV does

I fucking love PW. The only thing that brings it down is the boss fights. MG is a series known for its crazy boss fights and it's sad that one if the best games in the series has some really boring bosses.
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Shotgunnova
03/27/21 10:36:53 AM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
Patriots, foxhound, foxdie, les enfants terribles, metal gear, solidus liquid and solid, pazz, cobra squad, what the FUCK is going on in this series


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CyricZ
03/27/21 10:37:58 AM
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What's to get? War bad. Done.

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TheBlueMonk_
03/27/21 10:40:34 AM
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Was Psycho Mantis explained away with nanomachines?

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GirTheRobot
03/27/21 12:08:06 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
Kingdom Hearts franchise spoilers:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-9wgOSEG0sqWl9ZQjFrQXpXaEU/view
They need to update this with dream drop distance and kh3
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ZeroX91
03/27/21 12:09:39 PM
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GirTheRobot posted...
They need to update this with dream drop distance and kh3
So how bout that Realm of Fiction.
where sora and MoM currently are.

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Prestoff
03/27/21 12:10:27 PM
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If you think Metal Gear is convoluted, Kingdom Hearts is 10 times worst.

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NinjaWarrior455
03/27/21 12:22:31 PM
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MGS is crazy and weird but it follows its own logic and doesn't introduce anything completely out of left field (it's been a while since I've played 4 and I never played 5 so I could be wrong).

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Srk700
03/27/21 12:30:35 PM
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MGS at least doesn't have time travel shenanigans and multiple "worldlines" + "realms" like a certain Square Enix + Disney series has.
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CyricZ
03/27/21 1:57:14 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Kingdom Hearts is 10 times worst.
Hoo yeah.

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Number090684
03/27/21 2:04:04 PM
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It kind of is. MGS2 was really crazy, especially towards the end, but Kojima really shat the bed with MGS4. It's like he wrote himself into a corner and had no choice but to end Solid Snake's story there to save himself from further embarrassment. MGS4 hasn't been remade or remastered for good reason.
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Ivany2008
03/27/21 2:37:53 PM
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Prestoff posted...
If you think Metal Gear is convoluted, Kingdom Hearts is 10 times worst.

And Zelda is even worse than that. Trying to explain the Zelda timeline to someone not familiar with the franchise will make their head explode.
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AceMos
03/27/21 2:39:42 PM
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no kingdom hearts now that is a mess

even fans cant make sense of it

hell nomura has no idea what the fuck is going on in KH

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