Current Events > the George Floyd trial starts today

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BlockAddition posted...

Didn't george die in custody after the knee incident? For anybody who thinks the cop is going down for murder you better brace yourselves

He died while Derek Chauvin had his knees on George Floyd's neck and back. EMTs arrived on the scene and found that George Floyd had no pulse while Derek Chauvin was still kneeling on his neck.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I still dont understand the difference between this.

Is it just the amount of negligence?

Basically the difference is intent. Third degree murder means that you maliciously made a choice to endanger someone else's life. So it has to go beyond negligence.

Manslaughter would be where you thought the amount of force was necessary as self defense or to protect others or that you didn't realize the level of danger you were putting the other person in. You were responsible but the other person died due to something like poor judgment or negligence.

Because intent is so hard to prove, third degree murder convictions are rare if you have a good lawyer. I think Chauvin for sure deserves a murder conviction but I'm realistic enough that I will settle for a strong manslaughter conviction.

... Of course I'm cynical enough to think we probably won't even get that. Either he'll be found innocent or he'll plea bargain down to something like six months probation.

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BlockAddition posted...

Didn't george die in custody after the knee incident? For anybody who thinks the cop is going down for murder you better brace yourselves

Wat? no

He died on the floor with a knee on his head

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Taharqa_ posted...

What's with people thinking that someone will harm Chauvin if he gets off? If nothing happened to Zimmerman's ass yet then I think it's safe to say Chauvin's punk ass will make it.

Zimmerman wasn't a cop.

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By the way... For them saying this is a closed book and chauvin definitely walks..

An independent autopsy ordered by George Floyd's family found his death was a "homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain,"

the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office released its initial findings of their autopsy and also declared Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "a cardiopulmonary arrest whilebeing restrained by law enforcement officer(s)."

So both autopsy said the cause of death was homicide

action52 posted...

Basically the difference is intent. Third degree murder means that you maliciously made a choice to endanger someone else's life. So it has to go beyond negligence.

Manslaughter would be where you thought the amount of force was necessary as self defense or to protect others or that you didn't realize the level of danger you were putting the other person in. You were responsible but the other person died due to something like poor judgment or negligence.

Because intent is so hard to prove, third degree murder convictions are rare if you have a good lawyer. I think Chauvin for sure deserves a murder conviction but I'm realistic enough that I will settle for a strong manslaughter conviction.

... Of course I'm cynical enough to think we probably won't even get that. Either he'll be found innocent or he'll plea bargain down to something like six months probation.

Yeah I'm sad to say I think there is a very serious chance, I'd say 79% that he's found not guilty under the defense of "Just doing his job " or "Actually it was the drug use that killed him!"

It sucks but just look at the tens of millions supporting him and the way courts protect cops

Its scary

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PatrickMahomes posted...

Zimmerman wasn't a cop.

Didn't say that he was. I'm talking about people thinking that retaliation might happen

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CableZL posted...

Chauvin is charged with second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

Third degree murder is also known as voluntary manslaughter in some legal systems and second degree manslaughter is involuntary manslaughter.

But MN law lets you down convict anyway so really The only real charge is 2nd degree murder and the other options are downgrades from 2nd degree murder.

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Taharqa_ posted...

Didn't say that he was. I'm talking about people thinking that retaliation might happen

To be fair, George Zimmerman got punched in the face by some guy who was angered at the fact that Zimmerman was introducing himself to people as "The guy who killed Trayvon Martin."

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Taharqa_ posted...

Didn't say that he was. I'm talking about people thinking that retaliation might happen

This sparked riots worldwide by people tired of police brutality. Zimmerman was just a fat white guy.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I doubt it

none of the other high profile cases in similar veins resulted in murder

It's a different era now. People are far more radicalized and far less willing to accept the results of an insufficient legal system. People are at the point where if the government doesn't do what it's supposed to, then they're going to take control and make it happen.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah I'm sad to say I think there is a very serious chance, I'd say 79% that he's found not guilty under the defense of "Just doing his job " or "Actually it was the drug use that killed him!"

It sucks but just look at the tens of millions supporting him and the way courts protect cops

Its scary

Not to derail topic, but it really makes you think, what can we even do? Between politicians lining their pockets, corporations sucking up wealth and buying politicians then the courts and their astronomical finances backing them. How do regular people even have a say?

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TheBlueMonk_ posted...

I have no faith in this country so I'm expecting a full aquital and for them to rule that George deserved to die

Fuck this country

They may just exhume and smack up the corpse for good measure. MN's judicial system for racist pigs is just that bad at this point i wouldn't be surprised.

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I really think all the people comparing this to Zimmerman are just shouting down a microphone that they know nothing about 1 or both of the cases

They're really nothing alike in any meaningful way beyond a death and a media circus

Every detail of the cases are utterly different and incomparable

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SergeantGander posted...

Not to derail topic, but it really makes you think, what can we even do? Between politicians lining their pockets, corporations sucking up wealth and buying politicians then the courts and their astronomical finances backing them. How do regular people even have a say?

There's a lot more regular people than corrupt politicians. People can rise up, and will if shit doesn't get fixed. America is heading towards a lot worse than broken windows and fires being set if things don't get fixed, and there will be blood in the streets.

By the way... For them saying this is a closed book and chauvin definitely walks..

An independent autopsy ordered by George Floyd's family found his death was a "homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain,"

the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office released its initial findings of their autopsy and also declared Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "a cardiopulmonary arrest whilebeing restrained by law enforcement officer(s)."

So both autopsy said the cause of death was homicide.

UnfairRepresent is CEs resident George Zimmerman defender. People need to stop responding to them.

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SergeantGander posted...

Not to derail topic, but it really makes you think, what can we even do? Between politicians lining their pockets, corporations sucking up wealth and buying politicians then the courts and their astronomical finances backing them. How do regular people even have a say?

We can't

only way to change is for mass activism from the masses

But (In the US at least) about 150 million people dont care

And 70 million actively support injustice

So we're fucked

Its like lovecraftian horror, we can resist and try all we like, maybe make some improvements and buy some time but it is all ultimately futile

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EricDraven59 posted...

By the way... For them saying this is a closed book and chauvin definitely walks..

An independent autopsy ordered by George Floyd's family found his death was a "homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain,"

the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office released its initial findings of their autopsy and also declared Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "a cardiopulmonary arrest whilebeing restrained by law enforcement officer(s)."

So both autopsy said the cause of death was homicide.

See: Philando Castille. MN does not convict pigs, especially if their murder victim has narcotics in their system.

He's going to walk.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

People can rise up, and will if shit doesn't get fixed.

Doubt it

RadiantJoyrock posted...

and there will be blood in the streets.

the corrupt people in power won't be harmed and wont care and will use the cage rattling to justify the corruption

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I'm turning it off because I am NOT watching that video again

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UnfairRepresent posted...

the corrupt people in power won't be harmed and wont care and will use the cage rattling to justify the corruption

They'll be harmed. They aren't safe. We've seen even in congress they aren't safe, but people know their addresses, people can find them in public, and it's incredibly easy to get a gun. I'm not calling for or even hoping for it, I hope it gets fixed before it gets to there, but it's not looking likely. Republicans are signing their own, and thousands of others', death warrants.

I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people in congress supported that riot and they were perfectly safe.

The corrupt ones

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people in congress supported that riot and they were perfectly safe.

The corrupt ones

That riot was a bunch of inept idiots supported by more inept idiots. Not everyone is inept.

remember what country this is,verdict:NOT GUILTY.

CloudThunder posted...

remember what country this is,verdict:NOT GUILTY.

Hope not, or is about to be HOT Summer of Chaos

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M_Live posted...

No, he literally died while the pig was kneeling on his neck

Oh ok, I didn't know that

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I don't see how he could reasonably be acquitted, but unfortunately I also don't see it ending any other way.

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The cops in this case started escalating things right away. I mean that other dirty cop as soon as he went up to Floyd's car window he pulled out his gun and shoved it in Floyd's face and at the same time yelling a bunch of vulgar stuff at Floyd. For a fake 20 dollar bill this never should have happened. Only if someone was doing a shooting spree and the cops caught up to him in the vehicle

Tom Clark posted...

I don't see how he could reasonably be acquitted, but unfortunately I also don't see it ending any other way.

I don't see how in the fuck Philando Castille was illegally profiled and almost immediately shot to death in front of his family for absolutely no reason and his murderer walked, but....he did.

Oh that's right, MN is liberal on everything EXCEPT pot, and after slicing Philando up to determine he did in fact die from the 9 bullets put in him at point blank range (again, for absolutely no reason at all) they found pot in his system. The pig that murdered him then changed his story to "I smelled pot and feared for my life" and that was good enough for 12 racist fuckwits to say "yeah ok" and set the precedent that if you have narcotics in your system in MN, your life is forfeit and pigs can execute you in front of your family for absolutely no reason.

He's going to walk.


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SergeantGander posted...

Not to derail topic, but it really makes you think, what can we even do? Between politicians lining their pockets, corporations sucking up wealth and buying politicians then the courts and their astronomical finances backing them. How do regular people even have a say?

UnfairRepresent posted...

We can't

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I really think all the people comparing this to Zimmerman are just shouting down a microphone that they know nothing about 1 or both of the cases

They're really nothing alike in any meaningful way beyond a death and a media circus

Every detail of the cases are utterly different and incomparable

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Chauvin is guilty no matter what the verdict is.

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Defense shitstain is trying to excuse murder cause "cops were scared of the crowd"

Zikten posted...

Defense shitstain is trying to excuse murder cause "cops were scared of the crowd"

Cops know they can say I feared for my life and murder with impunity.

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Orchestrion posted...

Cops know they can say I feared for my life and murder with impunity.

Sad but probably gonna be the outcome. The crowd had the audacity to ask him not to murder a guy and let him breath. He had to maintain his position of power by continuing to kneel on this guys neck.

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CableZL posted...

I still think I would have been better off not watching that video.

Also, did they ever confirm that the $20 bill he used was actually counterfeit?

Its insignificant to his death but there was counterfeit currency in his car so it most likely was. The officers did not check the currency at the time and went straight after the suspect. Then killed him. Even if the currency was verified to be counterfeit prior to arrest there was no need to kneel on his neck like that and murder him.

I just cannot bring myself to watch that video. I feel like if I do, I'll become desensitized to evil images like that.

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The cops in this case started escalating things right away. I mean that other dirty cop as soon as he went up to Floyd's car window he pulled out his gun and shoved it in Floyd's face and at the same time yelling a bunch of vulgar stuff at Floyd. For a fake 20 dollar bill this never should have happened. Only if someone was doing a shooting spree and the cops caught up to him in the vehicle id say this would be warranted. Or if its a hit and run driver they are after

CableZL posted...

I'm not asking because it has significance in the trial. If they never confirmed whether the $20 was fake or not, then it kinda goes along he lines of people calling the police on black people for any reason they want to dream up. This has happened to me a couple times and it gets old.

True, it'd sucked if that was the case but overall that's I don't think it's something they'll focus on.

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ap = accused party

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Deja Blue 03 posted...

ap = accused party

wap = ???

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Did the judge ban allowing the family's doctor autopsy report? Not sure if he thought it would be biased since they hired him, but its kinda messed up he would ban that one but allow the state's doctor autopsy to be the main focus

CableZL posted...

wap = ???

Wet ass.....ociated press

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For cases like this, I wish the US would stop having ordinary citizens as jurors and turn to professional jurors. People that want the job and are paid a fair wage.

I wonder how they could find 12+ people who could remain impartial with all the news and protests and shit.

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If the $20 was fake he deserved jail time not death.

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nesplayer posted...

For cases like this, I wish the US would stop having ordinary citizens as jurors and turn to professional jurors. People that want the job and are paid a fair wage.

Kinda defeats the entire purpose of a "jury of your peers"

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nesplayer posted...

For cases like this, I wish the US would stop having ordinary citizens as jurors and turn to professional jurors. People that want the job and are paid a fair wage.

bruh what


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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Kinda defeats the entire purpose of a "jury of your peers"

so does the 12 people you have never met in your life.

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