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LoDsdeath
03/29/21 4:51:25 PM
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A bunch of babies died =(
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Giant_Aspirin
03/29/21 4:53:33 PM
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oh but you see they were babies of evil people so it was cool for God to slaughter them

edit: they weren't even babies of the evil people, directly. they were babies of subjects of the evil people. but still totally a-ok for God to murder them all, i guess.

\_()_/

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meralonne
03/29/21 4:54:44 PM
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How many warnings did the Egyptians need before God had to drop the hammer on them, though?

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Giant_Aspirin
03/29/21 4:55:46 PM
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meralonne posted...
How many warnings did the Egyptians need before God had to drop the hammer on them, though?

imagine punishing the citizens of a country by murdering their children because the ruler is a dick

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ThePieReborn
03/29/21 4:55:52 PM
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I don't think the average Joseph in Egypt was privy to Yahweh's feud with the pharaoh.

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Unsugarized_Foo
03/29/21 4:55:55 PM
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The people who didn't throw up some blood were basically anti-vaxers of their age

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Trumble
03/29/21 4:57:26 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
imagine punishing the citizens of a country by murdering their children because the ruler is a dick

It is a very good thing that that never happens anymore.

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meralonne
03/29/21 4:58:26 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
imagine punishing the citizens of a country by murdering their children because the ruler is a dick

shouldn't have let Pharoah be in charge, I guess

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theAteam
03/29/21 4:59:03 PM
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All those poor sheep

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Giant_Aspirin
03/29/21 5:00:09 PM
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meralonne posted...
shouldn't have let Pharoah be in charge, I guess

i dont think it worked that way tho.

maybe the Christians shouldnt have let God be in charge since he's the murderer here?

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meralonne
03/29/21 5:01:21 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
i dont think it worked that way tho
should I be putting /s after all of my posts in this thread?

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Giant_Aspirin
03/29/21 5:06:37 PM
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meralonne posted...
should I be putting /s after all of my posts in this thread?

given that this is CE and what some people like to argue about, i really couldn't tell.

but im also kinda dense sometimes so

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Jiek_Fafn
03/29/21 5:12:05 PM
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Agreed
You have to eat that shitty bread for like 8 days. Can't eat pasta or anything either. It's bullshit!

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Zikten
03/29/21 5:12:44 PM
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meralonne posted...
How many warnings did the Egyptians need before God had to drop the hammer on them, though?

It literally says in the Bible that "God hardened Pharaoh's heart"

He basically mind controlled the Pharaoh into being cruel so he would have an excuse to punish the Egyptian people

That whole story is fucked up for multiple reasons. Good thing it's all fiction
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Dreepapult
03/29/21 5:17:40 PM
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I mean pharaoh did kill all the israelite babies first

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Dreepapult
03/29/21 5:18:45 PM
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But we are taught not to take pleasure in the pain the Egyptians had to deal with. That it was their loss and sacrifices that were required to free the Israelites

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EmbraceOfDeath
03/29/21 5:19:27 PM
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Dreepapult posted...
I mean pharaoh did kill all the israelite babies first
"He started it!" doesn't exactly fly as an excuse for mass murdering babies.

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PatrickMahomes
03/29/21 5:20:18 PM
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It is, but we get to feast

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Dreepapult
03/29/21 7:36:22 PM
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I mean I dunno, I'd want revenge for generations of slavery.

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Southernfatman
03/29/21 7:37:18 PM
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*Kills innocent babies*
*Loves you*

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Zikten
03/29/21 7:38:21 PM
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Dreepapult posted...
I mean I dunno, I'd want revenge for generations of slavery.

Yea but against little kids? They didn't do it.
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pure_temper
03/29/21 7:40:32 PM
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Everyone here who is a genuine and honest person will eventually read the mountains of theologian work on this subject and come away from it with a more nuanced understanding besides these boring simpleton takes.

And everyone else? Not honest enough to bother discussing this with.

It's the same situation with Abraham's attempted sacrifice of Isaac - it's a topic that at its surface-level understanding stumbles people who don't actually bother to think critically and just want a "gotcha" of some kind.

People do it with Islam and all religions too, by the way. There's a sort of intellectual laziness where one is just satisfied w/ moral posturing because it's more about taking potshots at people's beliefs rather than engaging with them seriously.

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marthsheretoo
03/29/21 7:40:37 PM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
It is, but we get to feast

Mmm bitter herbs, salt water, and a lamb bone.

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Dreepapult
03/29/21 8:14:46 PM
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I'd have to sit down and review before giving a more in depth response tbh. It's complicated like pure temper said.

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pure_temper
03/29/21 8:17:27 PM
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Dreepapult posted...
I'd have to sit down and review before giving a more in depth response tbh. It's complicated like pure temper said.

Yeah it is. Also I was a Lawrence Krauss-type atheist for years (a solid 5 years of my life) so I know where some of these people are coming from, but I also know what it's like to be prideful enough that you don't even care about the nuances - you just want a reason to bash on Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc.

That's why I responded the way I did. The answers and the nuance are readily available for anyone who wants to know them, and they're satisfying answers to me at least.

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Dreepapult
03/30/21 12:13:47 AM
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https://bibleproject.com/blog/pharaohs-heart-grew-harder/

Doesn't cover every aspect. But some of it. I remembered this topic and tried to find some deeper explanations.

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Dreepapult
03/30/21 12:28:16 AM
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Questionmarktarius
03/30/21 12:32:58 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
imagine punishing the citizens of a country by murdering their children because the ruler is a dick
Meanwhile, in Hiroshima...
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Kastrada
03/30/21 12:37:58 AM
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Hey now! I'm going to shoot God some bail.

It was FIRST-BORN sons. Not necessarily babies. I'm sure teenagers and adults died too!

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Middle hope
03/30/21 12:40:24 AM
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Tyranthraxus
03/30/21 12:41:31 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
oh but you see they were babies of evil people so it was cool for God to slaughter them

edit: they weren't even babies of the evil people, directly. they were babies of subjects of the evil people. but still totally a-ok for God to murder them all, i guess.

\_()_/

They weren't even babies. Like the pharaoh's son was in his teens I think when he died

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