Current Events > Breath of the Wild is an objectively bad Zelda game.

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kirbyakaZ posted...

Seems like you just don't like the games in the series that feature the freeform style.
1. The Legend of Zelda
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
4. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
All feature this style. Since there are 4 of them in the series I think that objectively it has to stand that Breath of the Wild is a perfectly fine Zelda game. You don't have too enjoy it, though.

Literally none of them have the same situation as Breath of the Wild. Both Link to the Past and Link Between Worlds have more dungeons, and high quality and huge ones at that.

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I feel it is an excellent start to what could be the best Zelda game.

Problem I have is beyond the 4 Champions, the game has almost NO character at all. Zelda kinda comes across like a whiny child and Link still have no personality.

Remember those weird kids in Windwaker on that island that follow you around? The teacher who wants the butterfly wings? Your fucking SISTER and Tetra? Yeah, THAT stuff is awesome and has character. BOTW has none of that.

It does have hundreds of Korok Seeds though at least. -_-

Yup. Gameplay is memorable, world is really not.

if anything is a "main concept" of zelda it's exploration and adventure and they didn't even throw the dungeons out

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ledbowman posted...

if anything is a "main concept" of zelda it's exploration and they didn't even throw the dungeons out

They basically did.

g0ldie posted...

"objectively"

people misuse this word a lot.

Any version of the phrase objectively bad is my invitation to NOPE out of a conversation tbqh.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

They basically did.

They really did. The dungeons in BotW are complete bullshit.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

They basically did.

just because they're different and you don't like them doesn't meant they're not there

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ledbowman posted...

just because they're different and you don't like them doesn't meant they're not there

Literally four shortass dungeons, bro.

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ledbowman posted...

if anything is a "main concept" of zelda it's exploration and adventure and they didn't even throw the dungeons out

The game was originally inspired by Miyamoto wanting to explore caves though lol

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BotW is definitely my favorite Zelda.

I wasn't a huge fan of the older games though. I always thought they were kind of in the 7/10 range.

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ledbowman posted...

just because they're different and you don't like them doesn't meant they're not there

It's not "I don't like them", they're objectively worse than any other Zelda game. They're short, bland, and do next to nothing to take advantage of the game's features or mechanics or offer any sort of puzzle or real challenge.

SquirtleSkwad posted...

Literally four shortass dungeons, bro.

and how many shrines

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My first maybe 2 hours with the game were possibly the best moments in gaming I ever had. I thought wow, I cant wait to see how a Zelda game fits into this open world. Then I realized this was the whole game, there were no dungeons, no items. Just a big open world with a hundred or so samy shrines. My excitement went from 100-20% pretty quickly.

I feel like by mid game Im already losing a lot of incentive to explore just from the glider and abilities like Revalis gale. You can glide from a high point and skip over a lot of the pathways and crevices youd otherwise be walking through. But, again, theres not enough things to find or uncover to keep me interested even if I did choose to walk instead.

Anything not involved in beating the four Divine beasts and then Calamity Ganon just didnt feel like it had much substance to me. It just feels like they took the amount of content in any other Zelda game, and stretched it out so thin over so large a world that it functionally remains the same in many areas, but without the character and personality.

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Immortals is a much better BoTW

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Zelda games I've beaten, for reference:

ALttP
OoT
WW
TP
SS
OoA
OoS
LA
MC
FS
PH
ST

I also make significant progress in the original LoZ and MM, but didn't beat them.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Literally none of them have the same situation as Breath of the Wild. Both Link to the Past and Link Between Worlds have more dungeons, and high quality and huge ones at that.

BotW's dungeons are huge and the original only had 9. So yeah it cut down on half, but with the tons of overworld puzzles and shrines, I completely disagree with your take of what makes it a Zelda game.
You don't have too like it, but you should recognize that it does fit the Zelda mold.

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Exploring the world in BotW is such an incredible experience. It has the best open world in gaming to date.

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ledbowman posted...

and how many shrines

Mini-puzzles are not dungeons.

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Also, lets not forget that for the first time ever, playing a traditional three heart run locks you out of content.

kirbyakaZ posted...

BotW's dungeons are huge

bahahahahahaha

RadiantJoyrock posted...

bahahahahahaha

Got it, you are so set in your opinion that you refuse conversation/debate. Shame.

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kirbyakaZ posted...

BotW's dungeons are huge and the original only had 9. So yeah it cut down on half, but with the tons of overworld puzzles and shrines, I completely disagree with your take of what makes it a Zelda game.
You don't have too like it, but you should recognize that it does fit the Zelda mold.

Huge? My first play-thru I don't think they lasted more than an hour. They are large in comparison to the places in the world but your movement abilities make them a cake-walk. Nevermind again bosses with NO personality or character.

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

Mini-puzzles are not dungeons.

so you think zelda's identity is defined by all the puzzles in the game being presented to you in large groups

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kirbyakaZ posted...

Got it, you are so set in your opinion that you refuse conversation/debate. Shame.

There's nothing to debate. They are objectively the smallest dungeons in the series.

You get a motorcycle in BotW tho. That automatically puts it above Majora's Mask

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Huge? My first play-thru I don't think they lasted more than an hour. They are large in comparison to the places in the world but your movement abilities make them a cake-walk. Nevermind again bosses with NO personality or character.

The fact that they're smaller and have bosses that kinda suck are valid criticism. I have no problem with people disliking the game, my problem is the "it's not a Zelda game" mentality.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

There's nothing to debate. They are objectively the smallest dungeons in the series.

Still a Zelda game.

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kirbyakaZ posted...

my problem is the "it's not a Zelda game" mentality.

It is a Zelda game. Just not a good one.

The beauty of breath of the Wild comes from the truly incredible amount of things you can do if you think outside the box, which is a sign of brilliant game design.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

It is a Zelda game. Just not a good one.

As long as you recognize that it is one, that's all I care about.

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Kami_no_Kami posted...

Any version of the phrase objectively bad is my invitation to NOPE out of a conversation tbqh.

same

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Your opinion is objectively bad and worthless.

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i dunno if its the best Zelda game overall since i havent played ALL of them.

what i do know is that its a pretty fucking good game and had loads of fun with it!

DarkRoast posted...

The beauty of breath of the Wild comes from the truly incredible amount of things you can do if you think outside the box, which is a sign of brilliant game design.

The game itself, with the open world, is fantastic. But the aspects that really make it Zelda, like the characters, progression, vibrant world, and dungeons are all so disappointing :(

RadiantJoyrock posted...

There's nothing to debate. They are objectively the smallest dungeons in the series.

And yet the game features more dungeon content than any other Zelda.

You're objectively going to my ignore list.

DarkRoast posted...

The beauty of breath of the Wild comes from the truly incredible amount of things you can do if you think outside the box, which is a sign of brilliant game design.

LOL

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It's a bad Zelda game for people that really like the Zelda formula, but for me it's the most "Zelda" the series has been in a very long time

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Joel95 posted...

You're objectively going to my ignore list.

And who are you exactly?

TheOtherMike posted...

And yet the game features more dungeon content than any other Zelda.

It doesnt, though.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Your opinion is objectively bad and worthless.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

It doesnt, though.

It objectively does.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

The game itself, with the open world, is fantastic. But the aspects that really make it Zelda, like the characters, progression, vibrant world, and dungeons are all so disappointing :(

You don't get it dude, you have to think outside the box so you can explore an endless amount of miniscule shrines barely distinguishable from the others, and grab the Korok seeds to increase your inventory space. You can then fill up that space with weapons that constantly break, but luckily for you there's an opportunity to search across the land for more breakable weapons while you do battle with only eight different types of enemies. If you ignore how shallow the game is you can use your imagination and make your own fun like having it rain every time you want to climb a mountain !

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TheOtherMike posted...

It objectively does.

Four dungeons, each smaller than the smallest dungeon in any other Zelda game. So nope.

TheOtherMike posted...

It objectively does.

got his ass

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Four dungeons, each smaller than the smallest dungeon in any other Zelda game. So nope.

TheOtherMike posted...

And yet the game features more dungeon content than any other Zelda.

So Mike is trolling, got it.

TIL conveying indisputable facts is "trolling." Did you forget about the 120+ mini-dungeons in the game?

Wind Waker is my favourite 3D Zelda game.

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TheOtherMike posted...

TIL conveying indisputable facts is "trolling." Did you forget about the 120+ mini-dungeons in the game?

The shrines aren't dungeons.

April Fools!

RadiantJoyrock posted...

The shrines aren't dungeons.

They are dungeon content.