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Trumble
04/03/21 4:19:40 PM
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bubbascal posted...
The issue is that it wouldn't be just masks, and places like Wal-Mart, places that were deemed "essential", could start refusing to even serve people who don't have a passport.

If there is no accomodations for people who have legitimate medical reasons not to receive the vaccine, this is a problem.

However, if that's taken care of and it just means anti-vax boomers and religious nutjobs are excluded until they snap back to reality... then good riddance to them.

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hockeybub89
04/03/21 4:21:27 PM
#52:


pure_temper posted...
so you want corporations to be able to deny entry to jobs and purchases if people do not furnish proof of the covid vaccine? Is that your position?
Yes that is correct. Vaccines are an issue of public health. Honestly, one reason I love increased inconvenience of the modern world and can't wait for UBI, is so anti-vaxxers can easily stay the fuck home rather than be walking biohazards.

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hockeybub89
04/03/21 4:22:25 PM
#53:


Trumble posted...
If there is no accomodations for people who have legitimate medical reasons not to receive the vaccine, this is a problem.

However, if that's taken care of and it just means anti-vax boomers and religious nutjobs are excluded until they snap back to reality... then good riddance to them.
I have never once seen a person actually lump in legitimate vaccine allergies with anti-vaxxers.

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pure_temper
04/03/21 4:23:26 PM
#54:


hockeybub89 posted...
Yes that is correct. Vaccines are an issue of public health. Honestly, one reason I love increased inconvenience of the modern world and can't wait for UBI, is so anti-vaxxers can easily stay the fuck home rather than be walking biohazards.

the data does not support polishing corporate boots so they can decide who can shop/work on the basis of how much personal medical data we divulge to them

People who advocate for this are tyrants or would-be tyrants

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bubbascal
04/03/21 4:25:29 PM
#55:


DirkDiggles posted...
The right want voter id for everyone but hate the idea of Covid Cards.....Jesus Christ Republicans are so fucking stupid.

One is needed to live by buying essentials, the other isn't and is used to screen out non-Americans.

Apples and oranges.

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pure_temper
04/03/21 4:26:00 PM
#56:


bubbascal posted...
One is needed to live by buying essentials, the other isn't and is used to screen out non-Americans.

Apples and oranges.

yeah the double standard on it is sickening and shows which people are absolutely not interested in being consistent

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bubbascal
04/03/21 4:29:17 PM
#57:


Trumble posted...
If there is no accomodations for people who have legitimate medical reasons not to receive the vaccine, this is a problem.

However, if that's taken care of and it just means anti-vax boomers and religious nutjobs are excluded until they snap back to reality... then good riddance to them.

Admitting that you're fine with people dying if they fear something might be wrong with the vaccine, and that you're fine with letting governments and business have the power to command you to die. Thank you for proving the point.

What's to stop Wal-Mart and these places saying YOU should die in the future, then? Or making you need proof that you're a licensed Democrat?

I wonder what you'll be fine with next. Letting people be put into "reeducation camps"?

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Unsugarized_Foo
04/03/21 4:32:54 PM
#58:


bubbascal posted...
Admitting that you're fine with people dying if they fear something might be wrong with the vaccine, and that you're fine with letting governments and business have the power to command you to die. Thank you for proving the point.

What's to stop Wal-Mart and these places saying YOU should die in the future, then? Or making you need proof that you're a licensed Democrat?

I wonder what you'll be fine with next. Letting people be put into "reeducation camps"?

They're not reeducation camps, its manditory sensitivity training

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Antifar
04/03/21 4:47:36 PM
#60:


bubbascal posted...
you're fine with letting governments and business have the power to command you to die.
Buddy, this is the story of the last year. The mortality rate for line cooks has gone up 60% because they've been made to interact with unvaccinated strangers.

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pure_temper
04/03/21 4:51:09 PM
#61:


Antifar posted...
Buddy, this is the story of the last year. The mortality rate for line cooks has gone up 60% because they've been made to interact with unvaccinated strangers.

and the solution for that is UBI or proper stimulus like other countries did so we dont need to remain open

not to give corporations more power

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bubbascal
04/03/21 4:58:15 PM
#62:


Antifar posted...
Buddy, this is the story of the last year. The mortality rate for line cooks has gone up 60% because they've been made to interact with unvaccinated strangers.

I'm not going to post the obvious, even though I have stats demonstrating otherwise, but evidently we're still on "Covid is a dangerous disease that kills every single person it infects and that nobody survives".

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pure_temper
04/03/21 5:16:43 PM
#63:


bubbascal posted...
I'm not going to post the obvious, even though I have stats demonstrating otherwise, but evidently we're still on "Covid is a dangerous disease that kills every single person it infects and that nobody survives".

some ppl masquerade as concerned citizens but it seems theyre really just statists (or perhaps very naive individuals who need to read more history)

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TommyG663513
04/03/21 5:19:18 PM
#64:


Do we know that covid vaccine passports increase vaccine compliance?

If so, by how much?

It seems like it would make a difference though personally I'd rather see society encourage vaccination through education than by some type of coercion. I'd be flexible on this position depending on just how beneficial vaccine passports could be in encouraging vaccine compliance.

I don't know exactly how many people will need to be vaccinated. I've gotten the impression that the exact number is unknown and can be best explained as a range of numbers.

It doesn't necessarily seem beneficial to have covid vaccine passports when we aren't certain to what degree vaccinated people can still be contagious. Like it seems more advantageous to just be cautious and treat everyone the same.

Schools have also frequently required various vaccination proof and so have many different jobs. This also isn't a brand new idea either.

It's just that the idea of requiring any sort of proof of vaccine to obtain certain privileges sounds like a bit far out of a scenario. Currently, vaccines are ever increasing in their availability, but it is still limited and it will take a while to reach a very sizable majority of the country.

Though DeSantis doesn't exactly have a strong track record in battling covid so it kind of feels safe to just pick the opposite of whatever he is doing as the most advantageous option.

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Funkydog
04/03/21 5:22:34 PM
#65:


pure_temper posted...
so you want corporations to be able to deny entry to jobs and purchases if people do not furnish proof of the covid vaccine? Is that your position?
My job already requires me to get certain vaccinations or I can't work. Admittedly I am in healthcare, but it's not like this is something entirely new.

Vaccination passports have widespread resistance across the world though, and very much from vaccine compliant people. Most often the reason seems to be not wanting to give already growing authoritarian states/governments more power than they've been giving themselves during the pandemic.

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FrisbeeDude
04/03/21 5:30:56 PM
#66:


pure_temper posted...
so you want corporations to be able to deny entry to jobs and purchases if people do not furnish proof of the covid vaccine? Is that your position?

YEP. I'd rather not deal with anti vaxxers

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pure_temper
04/03/21 5:31:58 PM
#67:


Funkydog posted...
My job already requires me to get certain vaccinations or I can't work. Admittedly I am in healthcare, but it's not like this is something entirely new.

Vaccination passports have widespread resistance across the world though, and very much from vaccine compliant people. Most often the reason seems to be not wanting to give already growing authoritarian states/governments more power than they've been giving themselves during the pandemic.

yeah and that is why im prepared to mock and even block anyone who conflates it w/ anti-vaxx

I worked at Cincinnati childrens hospital in the NICU before and they mandated all vaccines for a good reason, and i had no problems w/ that

same for nursing homes. Etc. but in general? Nah fuck that, authoritarians can fuck outta here if they dont like it

Or they can stay home and use delivery services like FrisbeeDude said (tongue in cheek)

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bubbascal
04/03/21 5:32:22 PM
#68:


FrisbeeDude posted...
YEP. I'd rather not deal with anti vaxxers

Opening the door to corporations potentially not allowing people in for other things. Like supporting the wrong political party, among other things.

The short-sightedness is amazing.

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pure_temper
04/03/21 5:33:11 PM
#69:


FrisbeeDude posted...
YEP. I'd rather not deal with anti vaxxers

then stay home and use the delivery services you mentioned. Meanwhile the vast majority of regular people who arent closet authoritarians or woefully ignorant on history can continue living normal lives, thx

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pure_temper
04/03/21 5:33:48 PM
#70:


bubbascal posted...
Opening the door to corporations potentially not allowing people in for other things. Like supporting the wrong political party, among other things.

The short-sightedness is amazing.

I suspect he knows, and just he doesnt care because he thinks he will be one of the High Priests giving orders or something

thats usually what i notice about ppl who cant see basic reason on this subject. They have ulterior agenda

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FrisbeeDude
04/03/21 5:35:51 PM
#71:


bubbascal posted...
Opening the door to corporations potentially not allowing people in for other things. Like supporting the wrong political party, among other things.

The short-sightedness is amazing.

yeah, bro...this is totally the slippery slope to Applebees asking for a hair sample before you order your 2 for 20


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FLOUR
04/03/21 5:37:29 PM
#72:


I don't get it. People that have been vaccinated should already be protected. So no passport should be needed, right? The only ones at risk are fellow "anti-vaxxers".

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pure_temper
04/03/21 5:37:42 PM
#73:


FrisbeeDude posted...
yeah, bro...this is totally the slippery slope to Applebees asking for a hair sample before you order your 2 for 20

the majority will never agree with you, so are you ready to follow your own advice and just stay home and use delivery services like you said others should?

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FrisbeeDude
04/03/21 5:38:43 PM
#74:


pure_temper posted...
then stay home and use the delivery services you mentioned.

but I don't have to stay home. businesses are going hard to assure my safety by barring anti vaxxers.


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pure_temper
04/03/21 5:41:59 PM
#75:


FrisbeeDude posted...
but I don't have to stay home. businesses are going hard to assure my safety by barring anti vaxxers.

nope. businesses like that will lose customers and more governors will be banning the concept of covid passports soon. DeSantis is the first

its a common sense law. Also what do you think about voter id laws? Do you support those because youre anti illegal immigrant or something similar? Or do you only conflate opposing covid passports w/ being anti-vax?

just wanna see how consistent you are

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FLOUR
04/03/21 5:43:45 PM
#76:


FrisbeeDude posted...
but I don't have to stay home. businesses are going hard to assure my safety by barring anti vaxxers.

But you should already be safe if you've been vaccinated, right? It sounds like you want them to be vaccinated so you don't have to.

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Antifar
04/03/21 5:52:06 PM
#77:


bubbascal posted...
Opening the door to corporations potentially not allowing people in for other things. Like supporting the wrong political party, among other things.
They can already do that; they're not going to wait for an unrelated precedent

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pure_temper
04/03/21 5:57:51 PM
#78:


Antifar do you consider being against covid passports to be the same thing as being anti-vaxx or not the same thing?

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FrisbeeDude
04/03/21 6:06:26 PM
#79:


FLOUR posted...
But you should already be safe if you've been vaccinated, right? It sounds like you want them to be vaccinated so you don't have to.

This gets better the more people are vaccinated. why should we cater to anti vaxxers, especially with new strains of the virus being discovered?

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pure_temper
04/03/21 6:11:18 PM
#80:


FrisbeeDude posted...
This gets better the more people are vaccinated. why should we cater to anti vaxxers, especially with new strains of the virus being discovered?

why are you polishing corporate boots so hard when you can just stay home and use the delivery services like you said others should? Most ppl will consider your views tyrannical / authoritarian

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FrisbeeDude
04/03/21 6:18:59 PM
#81:


pure_temper posted...
why are you polishing corporate boots so hard when you can just stay home and use the delivery services like you said others should? Most ppl will consider your views tyrannical / authoritarian

because I, like many others, dont consider it "polishing corporate boots" to provide proof of vaccination

why should businesses be forced to cater to anti vaxxers? why should employees be made to risk their health to accommodate conspiracy theorists?

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pure_temper
04/03/21 6:26:16 PM
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You clearly cannot be reasoned with. Because you keep conflating it with being anti-vaxx. Since you have no real argument.

I bet you also think opposing voter id laws means someone supports illegal immigration too

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pure_temper
04/03/21 6:51:16 PM
#83:


Bump

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AlisLandale
04/03/21 7:01:39 PM
#84:


Requiring proof of vaccinations isnt even a new thing.

But if youre going to expand that requirement Id want some assurance of the availability of the vaccine and of the availability of the passport, because i worry that this type of thing could easily be weaponized the same way voter id laws are.

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pure_temper
04/03/21 7:02:23 PM
#85:


AlisLandale posted...
Requiring proof of vaccinations isnt even a new thing.

But if youre going to expand that requirement Id want some assurance of the availability of the vaccine and of the availability of the passport, because i worry that this type of thing could easily be weaponized the same way voter id laws are.

nah well leave that requirement to hospitals and nursing homes

mega-corps dont need more power


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pure_temper
04/03/21 7:20:32 PM
#86:


pure_temper posted...
You clearly cannot be reasoned with. Because you keep conflating it with being anti-vaxx. Since you have no real argument.

I bet you also think opposing voter id laws means someone supports illegal immigration too

@FrisbeeDude you gonna defend voter id laws next? Since theyre anti illegal immigrant or something

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Dark_SilverX
04/03/21 7:28:40 PM
#87:


WalkingLobsters posted...
badass. Glad he's not conforming to this authoritarian bullshit.
hell yeah

that pass is taking freedom from people

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bubbascal
04/03/21 7:38:34 PM
#88:


Antifar posted...
They can already do that; they're not going to wait for an unrelated precedent

Even if they can, getting it done legally or slowly can make things go smoothly without causing a fuss.

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bubbascal
04/03/21 7:40:22 PM
#89:


FrisbeeDude posted...
yeah, bro...this is totally the slippery slope to Applebees asking for a hair sample before you order your 2 for 20

It's a "slippery slope" to bring to your attention that you are short-sighted and letting this pass can open the door to YOU not being allowed into Wal-Mart because you're not a Democrat or a Republican?

You act superior and smug now because it's something you agree with. You'll be holding your tongue when it eventually comes back to backfire on you... or your descendants.

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FrisbeeDude
04/03/21 7:42:43 PM
#90:


bubbascal posted...
It's a "slippery slope" to bring to your attention that you are short-sighted and letting this pass can open the door to YOU not being allowed into Wal-Mart because you're not a Democrat or a Republican?

Save some tin foil for the rest of us


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pure_temper
04/03/21 7:45:37 PM
#91:


Notice how he isnt answering the question about voter ids lol

how can one person be that dishonest? Lol

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badwinkles
04/03/21 7:46:08 PM
#92:


WalkingLobsters posted...
badass. Glad he's not conforming to this authoritarian bullshit.


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bubbascal
04/03/21 7:48:41 PM
#93:


FrisbeeDude posted...
Save some tin foil for the rest of us

God, you're actually...

Oh wait. Are you even a American? If it turns out you're a Brit, everything makes sense. Your entire "trust your government" mindset and smugness towards any other attitude is prove of it.

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Funkydog
04/03/21 7:53:29 PM
#94:


bubbascal posted...
God, you're actually...

Oh wait. Are you even a American? If it turns out you're a Brit, everything makes sense. Your entire "trust your government" mindset and smugness towards any other attitude is prove of it.
Because there haven't been protests and riots across the country protesting the government the past few weeks regarding laws they want "in our interest" and wide spread criticism against a similar vaccine passport being discussed.

Oh wait, that's what's been happening.

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pure_temper
04/03/21 8:02:30 PM
#95:


Funkydog posted...
Because there haven't been protests and riots across the country protesting the government the past few weeks regarding laws they want "in our interest" and wide spread criticism against a similar vaccine passport being discussed.

Oh wait, that's what's been happening.

more and more protests against it in Romania

afaik europe in general too waking up

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FrisbeeDude
04/03/21 8:02:43 PM
#96:


pure_temper posted...
Notice how he isnt answering the question about voter ids lol

how can one person be that dishonest? Lol

because the comparison is stupid as fuck

we dont have an issue with fraudulent voting
we DO have a global pandemic currently happening

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FrisbeeDude
04/03/21 8:03:37 PM
#97:


bubbascal posted...
God, you're actually...

Oh wait. Are you even a American? If it turns out you're a Brit, everything makes sense. Your entire "trust your government" mindset and smugness towards any other attitude is prove of it.

I'm from the northeast bro, and we are definitely laughing at the MUH FREEDOMS crowd


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divot1338
04/03/21 8:04:23 PM
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Republican supports banning books.

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tigerslashII
04/03/21 8:04:47 PM
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Glad to know at least one state isn't crazy.

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legendary_zell
04/03/21 8:14:10 PM
#100:


Voting is a constitutionally guaranteed civil right and voter ids are a completely unnecessary, Jim Crow 2.0 measure.

Covid passports are a public health measure. There's no comparison or gotcha here.

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