Current Events > BLM Founder buying houses during protests.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Stop fucking tagging me and leave me alone, how many times do you need to be told not to tag me? How can you not get that through your skull? You had a meltdown and got warned for it like a week ago, leave me the fuck alone.

Yeah I don't think I'm at all having the meltdown here lol

Maybe read your own post. The fact you felt the need to mark me continually yet not participate in a discussion and claim I wasn't the one who wanted to have a discussion is pretty lol worthy.

Like I get that you're on team left wing and can't acknowledge that as much good as BLM does there are some problematic people involved and we should remove those individuals and keep the social movement going forward.

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She's a grifter, what a surprise.

Sad since that money could have been used to actually help black people.

Flockaveli posted...

@TyVulpine if you just want to say that you hate black people then just say it and take the moderation.

This

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A lot of racists exposing themselves itt

RustyFerret posted...

She's a grifter, what a surprise.

Sad since that money could have been used to actually help black people.

One person alone isn't going to fix everything. Who is to say she isn't also putting money into the movement to help get full change and police reform as well? Either way, Her money alone isn't going to stop cops getting off for murder, which is what the movement is about. She can help black people with that money, cops will still murder them because they're "scared". And if she did do that you'd complain that it was racist since she wasn't also helping white people, just like what happened in Oakland when half this board complained about a private investor giving the black community money. They can never win.

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soulunison2 posted...

A lot of racists exposing themselves itt

Do you mean people calling out the grifter or people defending the grifter?

I mean, if someone is equating the grifter with the entirety of BLM I'd call that a pretty terrible. Probably the worst take you could have.

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Bishop9800 posted...

This

So Im racist for calling out someone possibly committing embezzlement and fraud?

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soulunison2 posted...

A lot of racists exposing themselves itt

Are you one of those types that labels everyone a racist if they don't agree with you?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

One person alone isn't going to fix everything. Who is to say she isn't also putting money into the movement to help get full change and police reform as well? Either way, Her money alone isn't going to stop cops getting off for murder, which is what the movement is about. She can help black people with that money, cops will still murder them because they're "scared". And if she did do that you'd complain that it was racist since she wasn't also helping white people, just like what happened in Oakland when half this board complained about a private investor giving the black community money. They can never win.

Dude, stop downplaying grifting. If she is using BLM to make herself personally rich then that is wrong. She may do some good besides that, but wouldn't you want someone with a more charitable mindset?

Though yeah in the end BLM should try to be much more organized with employees on salary, but that is a big difference from this individual grifting.

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Sheiky-Baby posted...

I always got a kick out of those that were always talking about and for the working men, and women, the minority/the poor, etc. Then you see them out with a fur coat, Rolex, and a Cadillac.

Hey now, Dusty suffered through some hard times...

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So...Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Dore etc. are allowed to make money, but not black activists...interesting

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I just don't think this is being brought up in good faith at all. People aren't calling her out because they're worried about the integrity of the movement. They're doing so to attack the movement. And even still, her real estate ambitions, no matter how scummy, have nothing to do with the BLM movement, which is about cops murdering innocent black people. The two should not be conflated. She can be a scummy grifter while also still doing good things with regard to police reform. Its not mutually exclusive and bringing up stories like this only serves to undermine the movement IMO. Just look at the people ITT who are doing so.

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TyVulpine posted...

So Im racist for calling out someone possibly committing embezzlement and fraud?

what evidence is there for these claims beyond "black lady buys a house"

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TheVipaGTS posted...

I just don't think this is being brought up in good faith at all

Dingdingdingding

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FrisbeeDude posted...

So...Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Dore etc. are allowed to make money, but not black activists...interesting

Why are you assuming that no one has ever had a problem with the wealth of any other politicians or activists?

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TyVulpine posted...

So Im racist for calling out someone possibly committing embezzlement and fraud?

The key word is "possibly".

The funny part about this is, I dont see you condemming Steve Banon with his "build the wall" scam that took over 1,000,000 from people.

But hey, let's focus on the black person......


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TheVipaGTS posted...

I just don't think this is being brought up in good faith at all. People aren't calling her out because they're worried about the integrity of the movement. They're doing so to attack the movement. And even still, her real estate ambitions, no matter how scummy, have nothing to do with the BLM movement, which is about cops murdering innocent black people. The two should not be conflated. She can be a scummy grifter while also still doing good things with regard to police reform. Its not mutually exclusive and bringing up stories like this only serves to undermine the movement IMO. Just look at the people ITT who are doing so.

@VipaGTS

No some of us are just attacking an individual and think she isn't representative of the movement of the whole and that the movement should seek better representation.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

One person alone isn't going to fix everything. Who is to say she isn't also putting money into the movement to help get full change and police reform as well? Either way, Her money alone isn't going to stop cops getting off for murder, which is what the movement is about. She can help black people with that money, cops will still murder them because they're "scared". And if she did do that you'd complain that it was racist since she wasn't also helping white people, just like what happened in Oakland when half this board complained about a private investor giving the black community money. They can never win.

This is a shit take.

Using charity donations to buy multimillion dollar properties for your own personal benefit instead of going to improve schools, neighborhoods, infrastructure, etc. is a bad look.

Bishop9800 posted...

The key word is "possibly".

The funny part about this is, I dont see you condemming Steve Banon with his "build the wall" scam that took over 1,000,000 from people.

But hey, let's focus on the black person......

Calling out steve bannon is kind of a given lol. Why would you think people who call out this possible embezzler wouldn't think way worse things of Steve Bannon.

There are some left wing grifters, but damn near the entirety of right wing politics is grifting. That doesn't mean left wing grifters just get a pass, because the other guys are so much worse.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

what evidence is there for these claims beyond "black lady buys a house"

The fact that those houses totaled over $3 million? Where did the money come from? Its very shady.

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TommyG663513 posted...

@VipaGTS

No some of us are just attacking an individual and think she isn't representative of the movement of the whole and that the movement should seek better representation.

Maybe you are, but the people im responding to aren't. If everyone one was doing what you're doing it would be no issue. What they're doing is using this to attack the movement as a whole, not just this person. That isn't ok and context needs to be brought up to counter that.

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TyVulpine posted...

The fact that those houses totaled over $3 million? Where did the money come from? Its very shady.

How is it shady?

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TommyG663513 posted...

Calling out steve bannon is kind of a given lol. Why would you think people who call out this possible embezzler wouldn't think way worse things of Steve Bannon.

Once again......

FrisbeeDude posted...

what evidence is there for these claims beyond "black lady buys a house"

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mario2000 posted...

How is it shady?

That the money most likely came from BLM donations?

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TyVulpine posted...

The fact that those houses totaled over $3 million? Where did the money come from? Its very shady.

shes written a book and apparently signed some deal with Warner Bros.

do you have any evidence of a crime beyond "black lady buys a house"?

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Maybe you are, but the people im responding to aren't. If everyone one was doing what you're doing it would be no issue. What they're doing is using this to attack the movement as a whole, not just this person. That isn't ok and context needs to be brought up to counter that.

So is it ok to attack this one person? Don't you want the best possible representation for BLM possible?

It's one thing to call out people who seek to discredit the entire movement, but I see a lot more people ITT who just don't want this person to represent BLM.

Just because some people engage this topic in bad faith doesn't mean you get to be bad faith in return and defend what she is doing.

Just fall out the bad faith people and engage with the good faith people. Easier said than done, but yeah

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mario2000 posted...

How is it shady?

the money BLM takes in and divides between profit and non-profit isnt very clear, so how do we know she isnt using charity money for her own use? And what would she need with a house on an ultra-exclusive island? Is she planning on taking some poor black families and helping them move there?

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Answer me TC

What's an acceptable amount of money for a marxist to earn or spend

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Bishop9800 posted...

Once again......

I get that this is alleged and suspected territory.

Let an investigation commence. Some of us are just pointing out that if she is guilty then you need to get rid of her and not let her drag the movement down with her.

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TommyG663513 posted...

So is it ok to attack this one person? Don't you want the best possible representation for BLM possible?

It's one thing to call out people who seek to discredit the entire movement, but I see a lot more people ITT who just don't want this person to represent BLM.

Just because some people engage this topic in bad faith doesn't mean you get to be bad faith in return and defend what she is doing.

Just fall out the bad faith people and engage with the good faith people. Easier said than done, but yeah

Of course its ok. The issue with ignoring the bad faith people is they have more control. This is a NYPost article that isn't being posted to help BLM. Its being posted to hurt them overall and people are going to eat it up. You need to catch that before it happens and then let BLM deal with her if she is indeed stealing donations. But if you let the others run with it it'll do far more damage to BLM than even she is doing herself. That's my concern.

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Doom_Art posted...

Answer me TC

What's an acceptable amount of money for a marxist to earn or spend

Earning isn't wrong

It's using dishonest means to earn that is wrong. If she is using charitable donations to make herself wealthy then there is the problem.

It's calling yourself a marxist, but being the worst version of a capitalist. Dishonest in the search for wealth.

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TommyG663513 posted...

I get that this is alleged and suspected territory.

Let an investigation commence. Some of us are just pointing out that if she is guilty then you need to get rid of her and not let her drag the movement down with her.

why does she need to be investigated and not white socialists/marxists who own homes? why is she different from a bernie sanders?


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Doom_Art posted...

Answer me TC

What's an acceptable amount of money for a marxist to earn or spend

A livable wage. That doesnt mean a house on an ultra-exclusive island that people like Tiger Woods and Justin Timberlake have homes on.

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TommyG663513 posted...

I get that this is alleged and suspected territory.

Let an investigation commence. Some of us are just pointing out that if she is guilty then you need to get rid of her and not let her drag the movement down with her.

ITT- is a black woman buys a house, she was part of a scam.

Ok buddy......

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Of course its ok. The issue with ignoring the bad faith people is they have more control. This is a NYPost article that isn't being posted to help BLM. Its being posted to hurt them overall and people are going to eat it up. You need to catch that before it happens and then let BLM deal with her if she is indeed stealing donations. But if you let the others run with it it'll do far more damage to BLM than even she is doing herself. That's my concern.

Yeah that's a fair point, but how about leading by example then?

If BLM just dumps her ASAP (assuming she is in fact guilty) then how much traction is this story really going to have?

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bernie sanders: 2 houses, 0 actual job

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TommyG663513 posted...

Yeah that's a fair point, but how about leading by example then?

If BLM just dumps her ASAP (assuming she is in fact guilty) then how much traction is this story really going to have?

True, but even if they drop her now, the story is out. This with an agenda won't say "well, they dropped her, i guess the movement is ok now"...They'll continue using it. The context im trying to insert here is taht regardless of her actions and stealing donations, the movement itself did nothing wrong and is nothing wrong.

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Bishop9800 posted...

ITT- is a black woman buys a house, she was part of a scam.

Ok buddy......

A woman with an unknown amount of income. That should raise red flags with anyone that has an ounce of sense, regardless of what skin color the woman has.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

why does she need to be investigated and not white socialists/marxists who own homes? why is she different from a bernie sanders?

If she "earned" this home by embezzling from BLM then that is the point of investigating her.

I would never say someone who earned wealth through "honest" (a bit subjective term) means should be investigated.

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Slayer_22 posted...

Are you one of those types that labels everyone a racist if they don't agree with you?

nah but posting articles in bad faith like this definitely rings some bell, or rather, blows some dog whistles

2Pacavelli posted...

seals didn't just call out the organizational leadership's excesses, but also attacked the democratic party for taking black voters for granted, going so far as organizing a successful large-scale movement to oust a local incumbent. his third to last post on twitter shared a tweet attacking hrc.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

True, but even if they drop her now, the story is out. This with an agenda won't say "well, they dropped her, i guess the movement is ok now"...They'll continue using it. The context im trying to insert here is taht regardless of her actions and stealing donations, the movement itself did nothing wrong and is nothing wrong.

So should BLM drop her or not?

It kind of sounds like your stance is that we should overlook possible corruption within BLM, because that'd be bad press? I guess I'm confused as to what you're going for here.

Also, news media does this crap in bad faith all the time and it isn't just right wing news outlets. Left wing outlets choose to print or not print news stories just like every other news outlet ever.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

why does she need to be investigated and not white socialists/marxists who own homes? why is she different from a bernie sanders?

Bernie became a millionaire from proceeds in book sales and royalties.

Cullors should just release her tax returns to dispel suspicions.

Literally Buying a house While Black

black women earns income, buys a home...people immediately embezzlement and demand an investigation

Go investigate Jimmy Dore's income first. All this looks like is hate for the successful black woman

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No one should be criticizing anyone affiliated with BLM

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This is obviously going to be BLM headquarters

Duh

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TommyG663513 posted...

So should BLM drop her or not?

It kind of sounds like your stance is that we should overlook possible corruption within BLM, because that'd be bad press? I guess I'm confused as to what you're going for here.

Also, news media does this crap in bad faith all the time and it isn't just right wing news outlets. Left wing outlets choose to print or not print news stories just like every other news outlet ever.

Yes they should. If she is indeed stealing donations they should. I never once said they shouldn't. I'm merely explaining that her actions are not a blight on the movement as a whole, and her simply making money shouldn't be used to attack the movement, like this topic seemed to be started as.

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TyVulpine posted...

A woman with an unknown amount of income. That should raise red flags with anyone that has an ounce of sense, regardless of what skin color the woman has.

A lot of people ITT seem to think that someone embezzling funds from BLM is an efficient use of BLM's resources. I don't know how they can be reasoned with.

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TyVulpine posted...

A woman with an unknown amount of income. That should raise red flags with anyone that has an ounce of sense.

And you know this is a "unknown amount of income" how?

Mind you, it was pointed out that she wrote books and signed a deal with WB.

But hey, ITT- a black woman buys a house, she was part of a scam.

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