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Tyranthraxus 04/12/21 6:55:16 PM #252:	wiiking96 posted... @Tyranthraxus You seem to hold the opinion that dishonesty is immoral. Therefore I must ask you this question: Why is dishonesty immoral? Dishonesty is not always immoral. Neither is stealing. There's always circumstances where I'd consider both of them to be morally appropriate. Video games usually doesn't qualify however. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:952762710] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>wiiking96 posted... </cite> <quote>@Tyranthraxus You seem to hold the opinion that dishonesty is immoral. Therefore I must ask you this question: Why is dishonesty immoral?</quote>Dishonesty is not always immoral. Neither is stealing. There's always circumstances where I'd consider both of them to be morally appropriate. Video games usually doesn't qualify however. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wiiking96 04/12/21 7:00:00 PM #253:	Tyranthraxus posted... Sure. Feels free to copy / paste the whole thing in case someone asks "How?" Okay, great. Then lets imagine a scenario: There are 100 poor people in a town who need insulin to survive. Recently, the price of insulin that those 100 people can access has been jacked up 10,000%, and those 100 people can no longer afford it. There is a surplus of insulin available. A vigilante - let's call them "Robin Hood", decides to steal several months worth of insulin from a facility and distributes it to those 100 people. Is that act of theft, in and of itself, immoral? EDIT: The post above me clarified that you think theft is only conditionally immoral. --- We should strive to create a world of love and compassion. It may take a lot of time and effort, but it can be done. <cite>wiiking96 posted [p:952762865] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Sure. Feels free to copy / paste the whole thing in case someone asks "How?"</quote>Okay, great. Then lets imagine a scenario: There are 100 poor people in a town who need insulin to survive. Recently, the price of insulin that those 100 people can access has been jacked up 10,000%, and those 100 people can no longer afford it. There is a surplus of insulin available. A vigilante - let's call them "Robin Hood", decides to steal several months worth of insulin from a facility and distributes it to those 100 people. Is that act of theft, in and of itself, immoral? EDIT: The post above me clarified that you think theft is only conditionally immoral. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 04/12/21 7:02:36 PM #254:	Tyranthraxus posted... That is not correct. When you pay the creator, you make an agreement to not copy the game. You do not make an agreement to never lend out the game. Making a copy is breaking your promise / agreement, deception, and theft. It is immoral and disrespectful. This is functionally equivalent to cheating on your spouse but then saying "eh they have no way of ever finding out so it's okay" No it's still immoral even if your spouse never finds out. You're conflating legality and morality. When I purchase a product the implied agreement is based on legality, not respect. You can buy a product and set it on fire. Entirely disrespectful to the creator but I wouldn't call it immoral. A romantic relationship is the one based on respect instead of legality. It's not illegal to cheat on your partner, but definitely disrespectfuland immoral. Let's not pretend these two types of 'agreements' are morally comparable. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:952762945] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>That is not correct. When you pay the creator, you make an agreement to not copy the game. You do not make an agreement to never lend out the game. Making a copy is breaking your promise / agreement, deception, and theft. It is immoral and disrespectful. This is functionally equivalent to cheating on your spouse but then saying "eh they have no way of ever finding out so it's okay" No it's still immoral even if your spouse never finds out.</quote>You're conflating legality and morality. When I purchase a product the implied agreement is based on legality, not respect. You can buy a product and set it on fire. Entirely disrespectful to the creator but I wouldn't call it immoral. A romantic relationship is the one based on respect instead of legality. It's not illegal to cheat on your partner, but definitely disrespectfuland immoral. Let's not pretend these two types of 'agreements' are morally comparable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/12/21 7:05:10 PM #255:	wiiking96 posted... Okay, great. Then lets imagine a scenario: There are 100 poor people in a town who need insulin to survive. Recently, the price of insulin that those 100 people can access has been jacked up 10,000%, and those 100 people can no longer afford it. There is a surplus of insulin available. A vigilante - let's call them "Robin Hood", decides to steal several months worth of insulin from a facility and distributes it to those 100 people. Is that act of theft, in and of itself, immoral? No that is in my opinion justified theft. I also placing the burden of necessities on people who need those necessities to be immoral. It does not need to be free, of course, but no one should have to struggle with how they will be able to get their life saving medication. Similar arguments to be made for food and water. Of course if "Robin Hood" decided to sell at "only a 200%" markup that would be immoral. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:952763017] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>wiiking96 posted... </cite> <quote>Okay, great. Then lets imagine a scenario: There are 100 poor people in a town who need insulin to survive. Recently, the price of insulin that those 100 people can access has been jacked up 10,000%, and those 100 people can no longer afford it. There is a surplus of insulin available. A vigilante - let's call them "Robin Hood", decides to steal several months worth of insulin from a facility and distributes it to those 100 people. Is that act of theft, in and of itself, immoral?</quote> No that is in my opinion justified theft. I also placing the burden of necessities on people who need those necessities to be immoral. It does not need to be free, of course, but no one should have to struggle with how they will be able to get their life saving medication. Similar arguments to be made for food and water. Of course if "Robin Hood" decided to sell at "only a 200%" markup that would be immoral. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IrmaVep 04/12/21 7:10:24 PM #256:	Without piracy a lot of people are effectively priced out of culture <cite>IrmaVep posted [p:952763202] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Without piracy a lot of people are effectively priced out of culture</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IrmaVep 04/12/21 7:12:51 PM #257:	CapnMuffin posted... Im curious what the moral argument is for people that bring up the preservation thing or the right to experience it thing. Seems a stretch when applied to a piece of entertainment. You're reducing art and culture to disposable entertainment. They have a different view on it to you Man I hate not being able to edit <cite>IrmaVep posted [p:952763285] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>CapnMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>Im curious what the moral argument is for people that bring up the preservation thing or the right to experience it thing. Seems a stretch when applied to a piece of entertainment. </quote> You're reducing art and culture to disposable entertainment. They have a different view on it to you Man I hate not being able to edit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrankJaegr 04/12/21 7:17:52 PM #258:	I didnt read the topic but I guess it just depends on whether or not you live by the principle of things This is to say your moral reasoning comes in part from suspending logic for the sake of some good that you believe in because otherwise theres no reason to fret over cyber 0s and 1s in world where you can continually argue if its wrong or it is right --- https://imgur.com/JAcnMxU <cite>FrankJaegr posted [p:952763439] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>I didnt read the topic but I guess it just depends on whether or not you live by the principle of things This is to say your moral reasoning comes in part from suspending logic for the sake of some good that you believe in because otherwise theres no reason to fret over cyber 0s and 1s in world where you can continually argue if its wrong or it is right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bladegash 04/12/21 7:27:21 PM #259:	Without piracy, America would never have anime. Ever. --- Snappin necks & Cashin checks <cite>bladegash posted [p:952763758] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Without piracy, America would never have anime. Ever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 04/12/21 7:28:34 PM #260:	bladegash posted... Without piracy, America would never have anime. Ever. Dude what is Crunchyroll? What is Funimation? What is Toonami? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:952763800] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>bladegash posted... </cite> <quote>Without piracy, America would never have anime. Ever.</quote>Dude what is Crunchyroll? What is Funimation? What is Toonami? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 04/12/21 7:30:54 PM #261:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Dude what is Crunchyroll? What is Funimation? What is Toonami? I do wonder if the market would've grown as much without piracy. Damn near every general weeb community has been ripping raws since usenet. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:952763882] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Dude what is Crunchyroll? What is Funimation? What is Toonami?</quote> I do wonder if the market would've grown as much without piracy. Damn near every general weeb community has been ripping raws since usenet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 04/12/21 7:42:24 PM #262:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Dude what is Crunchyroll? What is Funimation? What is Toonami? None of which existed on a bigger scale back in the late 80s, early 90s. People don't seem to get this. Funimation only started existing in 94. Prior to that, the majority of anime related items were imported from Japan, and even then it was very rarely seen. We didn't have the internet like we do now where its all over the place. Happyconsolegamer did a great video on this, mentioning that finding anime related shows was near impossible prior to shows like Sailor Moon being dubbed, and even then it wasn't an episode a week like it is now. I'll mention YTV here in Canada, specifically Dragonball Z and Dragonball. We only got maybe 1/4 of the entire show of Dragonball due to waiting for it to be translated, and then it was just dropped for Dragonball Z. Dragonball Z, we had the first 2 seasons up until the Frieza fight which didn't even start, as they didn't have the fight episodes shipped to them so they could translate. Instead, they would restart the entire show over and over again, at least a dozen times. People were able to see these episodes because of piracy. Programs like Napster and Limewire became extremely popular when they launched because they were able to see shows they had never heard about before, and it was a lot easier than finding that one random store that had a single episode of Inuyasha or Bubblegum Crisis. <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:952764226] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Dude what is Crunchyroll? What is Funimation? What is Toonami?</quote> None of which existed on a bigger scale back in the late 80s, early 90s. People don't seem to get this. Funimation only started existing in 94. Prior to that, the majority of anime related items were imported from Japan, and even then it was very rarely seen. We didn't have the internet like we do now where its all over the place. Happyconsolegamer did a great video on this, mentioning that finding anime related shows was near impossible prior to shows like Sailor Moon being dubbed, and even then it wasn't an episode a week like it is now. I'll mention YTV here in Canada, specifically Dragonball Z and Dragonball. We only got maybe 1/4 of the entire show of Dragonball due to waiting for it to be translated, and then it was just dropped for Dragonball Z. Dragonball Z, we had the first 2 seasons up until the Frieza fight which didn't even start, as they didn't have the fight episodes shipped to them so they could translate. Instead, they would restart the entire show over and over again, at least a dozen times. People were able to see these episodes because of piracy. Programs like Napster and Limewire became extremely popular when they launched because they were able to see shows they had never heard about before, and it was a lot easier than finding that one random store that had a single episode of Inuyasha or Bubblegum Crisis. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/12/21 7:47:18 PM #263:	Anime piracy / fansubbing in the 80s and 90s helped identify the market in America and what might be profitable here. Something similar happened with msdos games which is how GOG identified a demand for a legal market. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:952764391] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Anime piracy / fansubbing in the 80s and 90s helped identify the market in America and what might be profitable here. Something similar happened with msdos games which is how GOG identified a demand for a legal market. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gurifisu 04/12/21 7:49:36 PM #264:	--- Enter the baller zone: http://error1355.com/ce/Gurifisu.html <cite>Gurifisu posted [p:952764495] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 04/12/21 7:50:24 PM #265:	^Funny that someone made that seething wojak when pirates already take what they want happily. It's the anti-pirates that seethe --- https://imgur.com/u5kY6Yt https://imgur.com/V6HBhkR <cite>Doe posted [p:952764525] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>^Funny that someone made that seething wojak when pirates already take what they want happily. It's the anti-pirates that seethe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/12/21 7:51:46 PM #266:	Digital media would literally stop existing if everyone decided to "make a free copy of it" instead of paying. Most people aren't going to buy it later if they like it or whatever excuse we want to make. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:952764589] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Digital media would literally stop existing if everyone decided to "make a free copy of it" instead of paying. Most people aren't going to buy it later if they like it or whatever excuse we want to make. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gurifisu 04/12/21 7:54:09 PM #267:	Doe posted... ^Funny that someone made that seething wojak when pirates already take what they want happily. It's the anti-pirates that seethe I'm pretty sure it was made because people get butt hurt when they're told what they're doing is wrong and they do whatever they can to convince others and themselves that they're in the right. Meanwhile actual pirates happily carry on since they know they're wrong and don't give a shit and revel in the fact that they do so. But whatever you wanna tell yourself mang. --- Enter the baller zone: http://error1355.com/ce/Gurifisu.html <cite>Gurifisu posted [p:952764688] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>^Funny that someone made that seething wojak when pirates already take what they want happily. It's the anti-pirates that seethe</quote>I'm pretty sure it was made because people get butt hurt when they're told what they're doing is wrong and they do whatever they can to convince others and themselves that they're in the right. Meanwhile actual pirates happily carry on since they know they're wrong and don't give a shit and revel in the fact that they do so. But whatever you wanna tell yourself mang. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 04/12/21 7:59:58 PM #268:	Tyranthraxus posted... Anime piracy / fansubbing in the 80s and 90s helped identify the market in America and what might be profitable here. Something similar happened with msdos games which is how GOG identified a demand for a legal market. So pirating has been proven to increase sales in some cases since this whole market would not have existed without it. /thread <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:952764896] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Anime piracy / fansubbing in the 80s and 90s helped identify the market in America and what might be profitable here. Something similar happened with msdos games which is how GOG identified a demand for a legal market.</quote> So pirating has been proven to increase sales in some cases since this whole market would not have existed without it. /thread </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 04/12/21 8:01:35 PM #269:	I'll stop when Nintendo treats me like an actual customer lmao stay mad nerds --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:952764970] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>I'll stop when Nintendo treats me like an actual customer lmao stay mad nerds </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WashYourHands 04/12/21 8:06:15 PM #270:	People itt need to cut back on Doritos and Mountain Dew to better afford products people have worked on. --- 20 seconds is all it takes! <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:952765129] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>People itt need to cut back on Doritos and Mountain Dew to better afford products people have worked on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/12/21 8:26:25 PM #271:	WingsOfGood posted... So pirating has been proven to increase sales in some cases since this whole market would not have existed without it. /thread In certain extremely specific and narrow cases piracy's net effect on sales is still completely irrelevant to whether it is moral or not. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:952765832] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>So pirating has been proven to increase sales in some cases since this whole market would not have existed without it. /thread</quote>In certain extremely specific and narrow cases piracy's net effect on sales is still completely irrelevant to whether it is moral or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 04/12/21 8:33:04 PM #272:	WashYourHands posted... People itt need to cut back on Doritos and Mountain Dew to better afford products people have worked on. Support products you like. Those may just happen to be mtn dew and dortios. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:952766077] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted... </cite> <quote>People itt need to cut back on Doritos and Mountain Dew to better afford products people have worked on.</quote> Support products you like. Those may just happen to be mtn dew and dortios. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElHarvey15 04/12/21 9:00:18 PM #273:	I mean you're copying someone else's work without their permission for your own personal gain. Seems pretty immoral to me --- Mamba Out - Kobe Bryant 4/13/2016 <cite>ElHarvey15 posted [p:952767170] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>I mean you're copying someone else's work without their permission for your own personal gain. Seems pretty immoral to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wiiking96 04/12/21 9:15:56 PM #274:	ElHarvey15 posted... I mean you're copying someone else's work without their permission for your own personal gain. Seems pretty immoral to me Why, specifically, is that immoral? --- We should strive to create a world of love and compassion. It may take a lot of time and effort, but it can be done. <cite>wiiking96 posted [p:952767785] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>ElHarvey15 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean you're copying someone else's work without their permission for your own personal gain. Seems pretty immoral to me</quote>Why, specifically, is that immoral? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
waterjoe 04/12/21 9:16:24 PM #275:	I dont mind pirating games that no one can buy anymore, remember Marvel vs Capcom 2 I aint paying $300 on ebay for that, download. <cite>waterjoe posted [p:952767797] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>I dont mind pirating games that no one can buy anymore, remember Marvel vs Capcom 2 I aint paying $300 on ebay for that, download. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Filipino Rebellion 04/12/21 9:18:08 PM #276:	What about reading manga for free online on the many manga websites? --- Tim Tebow is the greatest Filipino NFL player that ever played <cite>Filipino Rebellion posted [p:952767865] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>What about reading manga for free online on the many manga websites? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WashYourHands 04/12/21 9:20:04 PM #277:	WingsOfGood posted... Support products you like. Those may just happen to be mtn dew and dortios. But why buy the Doritos and Mountain Dew instead of stealing them? --- 20 seconds is all it takes! <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:952767935] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Support products you like. Those may just happen to be mtn dew and dortios.</quote>But why buy the Doritos and Mountain Dew instead of stealing them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElHarvey15 04/12/21 9:21:39 PM #278:	wiiking96 posted... Why, specifically, is that immoral? I think of it like copying off of the smart kid in class on a test. It's cheating. And that's wrong --- Mamba Out - Kobe Bryant 4/13/2016 <cite>ElHarvey15 posted [p:952767990] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>wiiking96 posted... </cite> <quote>Why, specifically, is that immoral?</quote> I think of it like copying off of the smart kid in class on a test. It's cheating. And that's wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Juhanor 04/12/21 9:34:20 PM #279:	Always interesting to see the different stances people take on this issue. <cite>Juhanor posted [p:952768417] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Always interesting to see the different stances people take on this issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMogALT 04/12/21 9:42:03 PM #280:	Juhanor posted... Always interesting to see the different stances people take on this issue. It's a question of morality and there's people who reason on different levels. You see the same people running in circles explaining basic ideas while others talk above them discussing more in depth ideas. The first group never reaches the level of reasoning of the second, so they just keep repeating what is obvious to them. I think this is Piaget's moral reasoning or something related to it. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png <cite>ChocoboMogALT posted [p:952768677] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Juhanor posted... </cite> <quote>Always interesting to see the different stances people take on this issue.</quote>It's a question of morality and there's people who reason on different levels. You see the same people running in circles explaining basic ideas while others talk above them discussing more in depth ideas. The first group never reaches the level of reasoning of the second, so they just keep repeating what is obvious to them. I think this is Piaget's moral reasoning or something related to it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 04/12/21 9:54:45 PM #281:	ChocoboMogALT posted... It's a question of morality and there's people who reason on different levels. You see the same people running in circles explaining basic ideas while others talk above them discussing more in depth ideas. The first group never reaches the level of reasoning of the second, so they just keep repeating what is obvious to them. I think this is Piaget's moral reasoning or something related to it. Now I'm just an ordinary country fried rube, but all that fancy book learnin' and such don't make people right, I tell you hwhat. --- "Don't worry about the rain. Walk between the raindrops." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:952769066] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>ChocoboMogALT posted... </cite> <quote>It's a question of morality and there's people who reason on different levels. You see the same people running in circles explaining basic ideas while others talk above them discussing more in depth ideas. The first group never reaches the level of reasoning of the second, so they just keep repeating what is obvious to them. I think this is Piaget's moral reasoning or something related to it.</quote> Now I'm just an ordinary country fried rube, but all that fancy book learnin' and such don't make people right, I tell you hwhat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bladegash 04/12/21 9:56:02 PM #282:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Dude what is Crunchyroll? What is Funimation? What is Toonami? Companies that profiteered off Japan's mistake to not export once they realized there really is a market for anime in America. Easy question. Ask me a hard one next time. --- Snappin necks & Cashin checks <cite>bladegash posted [p:952769117] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Dude what is Crunchyroll? What is Funimation? What is Toonami?</quote> Companies that profiteered off Japan's mistake to not export once they realized there really is a market for anime in America. Easy question. Ask me a hard one next time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omniryu 04/12/21 10:08:17 PM #283:	Doe posted... How is copying an arrangement of data, stealing? Show me the moral imperative that I should pay someone's asking price before doing so. Oh you mean if I hosted a website the have ad revenue and I have tons of roms on my website making a living off of it? I am not stealing? --- PSN/XBL: OMNIRYU Switch FC: 5419 6809 0486 <cite>omniryu posted [p:952769544] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote> How is copying an arrangement of data, stealing? Show me the moral imperative that I should pay someone's asking price before doing so.</quote>Oh you mean if I hosted a website the have ad revenue and I have tons of roms on my website making a living off of it? I am not stealing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 04/12/21 10:38:27 PM #284:	omniryu posted... Oh you mean if I hosted a website the have ad revenue and I have tons of roms on my website making a living off of it? I am not stealing? Nope --- https://imgur.com/u5kY6Yt https://imgur.com/V6HBhkR <cite>Doe posted [p:952770497] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>omniryu posted... </cite> <quote>Oh you mean if I hosted a website the have ad revenue and I have tons of roms on my website making a living off of it? I am not stealing?</quote>Nope </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 04/12/21 10:40:33 PM #285:	Piracy is only stealing if taking a picture of a painting is stealing --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:952770559] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Piracy is only stealing if taking a picture of a painting is stealing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/12/21 11:24:32 PM #286:	Doe posted... I don't think wine is meant to be snorted. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:952771898] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote> </quote>I don't think wine is meant to be snorted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 04/12/21 11:25:23 PM #287:	Ryuko_Chan posted... Piracy is only stealing if taking a picture of a painting is stealing Museum says no pictures <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:952771926] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Ryuko_Chan posted... </cite> <quote>Piracy is only stealing if taking a picture of a painting is stealing</quote> Museum says no pictures </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 04/12/21 11:28:00 PM #288:	WingsOfGood posted... Museum says no pictures so? --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:952771988] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Museum says no pictures</quote>so? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrWingnut 04/12/21 11:29:43 PM #289:	WingsOfGood posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... Piracy is only stealing if taking a picture of a painting is stealing Museum says no pictures TIL that I have broken museum rules on multiple occasions. Oops. --- This space intentionally left blank <cite>MrWingnut posted [p:952772049] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted...</cite> <quote>Ryuko_Chan posted... </cite> <quote> Piracy is only stealing if taking a picture of a painting is stealing</quote> Museum says no pictures</quote> TIL that I have broken museum rules on multiple occasions. Oops.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 04/12/21 11:32:14 PM #290:	MrWingnut posted... TIL that I have broken museum rules on multiple occasions. Oops. its only the rule in some museums. in my country and in china ive never been to a museum with no pictures allowed. some have had no flash photography allowed but thats it. been to a few american museums with no pictures allowed tho. --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:952772116] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>MrWingnut posted... </cite> <quote>TIL that I have broken museum rules on multiple occasions. Oops.</quote>its only the rule in some museums. in my country and in china ive never been to a museum with no pictures allowed. some have had no flash photography allowed but thats it. been to a few american museums with no pictures allowed tho. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 04/12/21 11:33:14 PM #291:	Anything the allows for people to non-violently disrupt the power and negligence of corporations cant be inherently immoral, regardless if that mechanism is commonly used in its ideal way. --- https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:952772142] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Anything the allows for people to non-violently disrupt the power and negligence of corporations cant be inherently immoral, regardless if that mechanism is commonly used in its ideal way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/12/21 11:33:35 PM #292:	WingsOfGood posted... Museum says no pictures Y'arr!!! <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:952772152] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Museum says no pictures</quote>Y'arr!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 04/12/21 11:36:06 PM #293:	ElHarvey15 posted... I think of it like copying off of the smart kid in class on a test. It's cheating. And that's wrong So paying the smart kid to give you the test answers is fine, but peeking over his shoulder is wrong? --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:952772240] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>ElHarvey15 posted... </cite> <quote>I think of it like copying off of the smart kid in class on a test. It's cheating. And that's wrong</quote> So paying the smart kid to give you the test answers is fine, but peeking over his shoulder is wrong? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 04/13/21 1:14:52 AM #294:	A lot of people are still acting as if the money we pay for a product necessarily goes to the creator, this is wrong in a lot of cases --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:952774558] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>A lot of people are still acting as if the money we pay for a product necessarily goes to the creator, this is wrong in a lot of cases </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 04/13/21 1:20:16 AM #295:	scar the 1 posted... A lot of people are still acting as if the money we pay for a product necessarily goes to the creator, this is wrong in a lot of cases But the billionaire paid the creator poverty wages! <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:952774651] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>A lot of people are still acting as if the money we pay for a product necessarily goes to the creator, this is wrong in a lot of cases</quote> But the billionaire paid the creator poverty wages! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 04/13/21 1:24:04 AM #296:	So how many artists y'all support on Patreon? --- "Don't worry about the rain. Walk between the raindrops." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:952774732] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>So how many artists y'all support on Patreon? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 04/13/21 9:41:22 AM #297:	Questionmarktarius posted... Y'arr!!! .jpg .jpg .jpg .jpg Jesus Christ, this dude fucks. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:952781805] in I have nev... [t:79401779]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Y'arr!!! .jpg .jpg .jpg .jpg</quote> Jesus Christ, this dude fucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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