Current Events > Lindsay Ellis, on "being cancelled".

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Cool I'll give this a watch.

Yeah, it's funny because she is pretty far left and still people attack and turn on her, twitter is so toxic.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

so I had no idea about this rape rap thing, and now I do.

whelp.

I just finished watching the video. To sum it all up:

Lindsay was raped in college, some time in the mid-2000's. It was something she didn't talk about, and she also dealt with her roommate getting raped a little while later in 2005. She began speaking about it around 2007-2008, and when she recorded this skit she wasn't open about having been raped.

One of her friends had a big flasher coat, and he started dropping like dumb, edgy rap lines about being a sex offender. This turned out to be incredibly funny and cathartic to Lindsay - for whatever reason, listening to these dumb rap lines helped her process and cope with what she had been through, and she plotted out this whole skit. It was made before she was open about having been raped, which dates it at 2008 at the latest.

After making it, she realised it was something that should never see the light of day. Back then, TGWTG content was uploaded by the content creators to a shared server, and another staff member would take their videos and put them on the website proper. What she didn't realise is that her saved video folder uploaded automatically - meaning that TGWTG had the video despite her realising she wasn't going to upload it.

She speculates that she could have been missing deadlines at the time, and after a point, the TGWTG staff member who was in charge of the uploads sent her a message to the effect of "it's fine, I'll just upload whatever I can find in the server". At which point, the rape rap was posted to TGWTG - in 2009.

Lindsay stresses that it was uploaded without her permission, and that she had resolved to never upload it before it ended up online. It was a skit stemming from an edgy joke that helped her cope with her own rape, and she never intended for anyone else to see it.

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MrMallard posted...

I just finished watching the video. To sum it all up:

Lindsay was raped in college, some time in the mid-2000's. It was something she didn't talk about, and she also dealt with her roommate getting raped a little while later in 2005. She began speaking about it around 2007-2008, and when she recorded this skit she wasn't open about having been raped.

One of her friends had a big flasher coat, and he started dropping like dumb, edgy rap lines about being a sex offender. This turned out to be incredibly funny and cathartic to Lindsay - for whatever reason, listening to these dumb rap lines helped her process and cope with what she had been through, and she plotted out this whole skit. It was made before she was open about having been raped, which dates it at 2008 at the latest.

After making it, she realised it was something that should never see the light of day. Back then, TGWTG content was uploaded by the content creators to a shared server, and another staff member would take their videos and put them on the website proper. What she didn't realise is that her saved video folder uploaded automatically - meaning that TGWTG had the video despite her realising she wasn't going to upload it.

She speculates that she could have been missing deadlines at the time, and after a point, the TGWTG staff member who was in charge of the uploads sent her a message to the effect of "it's fine, I'll just upload whatever I can find in the server". At which point, the rape rap was posted to TGWTG - in 2009.

Lindsay stresses that it was uploaded without her permission, and that she had resolved to never upload it before it ended up online. It was a skit stemming from an edgy joke that helped her cope with her own rape, and she never intended for anyone else to see it.

So she basically takes no responsibility shocker

assassingriskel posted...

So she basically takes no responsibility shocker

No, she fully admits it was bad and regrets its very existence in the video, whatever more self flagellation you deem necessary to pass your bullshit purity test shouldn't be expected of anyone

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assassingriskel posted...

So she basically takes no responsibility shocker

She takes responsibility for making it, and stresses that it ending up on the internet was out of her hands. She also stresses that it stems from her own history of rape and that the joke was a way of coping with her experience.

I'm not one to begrudge her, because people deal with fucked up shit in dumb ways sometimes. I have two friends who live together, and one of their strongest bonds is that they can joke about their experiences with rape to each other. They have a mutual understanding of what it's like, and humor is used to cope.

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assassingriskel posted...

So she basically takes no responsibility shocker

do you not read

ever

at all

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Background_Guy posted...

Did she not do this kind of stuff herself before she became the victim? I remember her joining in when people tried to cancel James Rolfe.

It's just as fake a cancelation as that was. Sorry but people complaining isn't cancelation. Or do you think I'm trying to cancel you now?

Idiots on twitter don't have the power to cancel anymore then you or I do.

I wish I had the power to cancel stuff by tweeting. That would make me want to use twitter and be a super-villian.

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joe40001 posted...

Yeah, it's funny because she is pretty far left and still people attack and turn on her, twitter is so toxic.

She made an interesting point in regards to power - you usually can't affect someone outside of your community who's shameless in the way they attack it - you can't shame someone who's shameless. So people aim inwards in an attempt to unmask closeted bigots who are supposedly sabotaging the community on the inside. She rationalises it as people trying to find a method of empowerment in a world that's fundamentally unjust.

That's not to say she agrees with it - she very much takes people to task for harassing people to make their lives worse, and she points out that most of the people decrying her supposed anti-Asian racism in the tweet that got her cancelled - the people telling her to "listen to Asian voices" and the ones who were the biggest shit-stirrers and agitators in the entire situation - were white people. She speculates that there's an insecurity among the most fervent white users who go so hard in calling others out, stemming from their own perception of race and their desire to be seen as "one of the good ones" in the wider community.

There was one prominent person who got on her case who had previously gone after a co-worker for "not being queer enough" and preaching about the voices of BIPOC people - with said co-worker being a queer black woman, and the aggressor being a white woman.

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IrmaVep posted...

How the hell does anyone have time for this shit?

Time to watch it? Can just kinda put it on the in background while you're doing something else.

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Ushiromiya posted...

Time to watch it? Can just kinda put it on the in background while you're doing something else.

For the most part, yeah. Most of her content is well-suited to playing in the background.

There are a few examples where the sound design is really loud and jarring. She uses some loud bleeps to cover up personal details she doesn't want to share, especially when she talks about her rape. But she shares the basic gist of what she means on-screen - for example, she bleeps out that she was roofied and raped, but the bleep screens detail that she was spiked and went through an unconsensual sexual experience.

She also bleeps out personal details of others who might not appreciate being spoken about.

Otherwise, you can more or less enjoy it in the background.

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To be fair, there's not that much you miss watching a Lindsay Ellis video versus listening to it. Likewise with a lot of video essay type tubers. I listened to it while I was playing a game.

Unless you meant who has time for Twitter drama, but shit that's a problem as old as people.

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MrMallard posted...

She made an interesting point in regards to power - you usually can't affect someone outside of your community who's shameless in the way they attack it - you can't shame someone who's shameless. So people aim inwards in an attempt to unmask closeted bigots who are supposedly sabotaging the community on the inside. She rationalises it as people trying to find a method of empowerment in a world that's fundamentally unjust.

That's not to say she agrees with it - she very much takes people to task for harassing people to make their lives worse, and she points out that most of the people decrying her supposed anti-Asian racism in the tweet that got her cancelled - the people telling her to "listen to Asian voices" and the ones who were the biggest shit-stirrers and agitators in the entire situation - were white people. She speculates that there's an insecurity among the most fervent white users who go so hard in calling others out, stemming from their own perception of race and their desire to be seen as "one of the good ones" in the wider community.

There was one prominent person who got on her case who had previously gone after a co-worker for "not being queer enough" and preaching about the voices of BIPOC people - with said co-worker being a queer black woman, and the aggressor being a white woman.

This sounds like an awful lot of words to say the common terms "white guilt", "purity testing", and "virtue signalling".

She outright mentions that purity testing is a part of all this. You can infer the rest I suppose.

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MrMallard posted...

She outright mentions that purity testing is a part of all this. You can infer the rest I suppose.

Well, I mean, for example, wanting to be seen as "one of the good ones" is what virtue signaling is all about. By being so fervently aggressive in your attacks against perceived slights, you're showing everyone in your in-group what a good ally you are, how not-racist or not-sexist you are.

15 min in and she's doing a great job breaking down how dumb twitter is an the idea that any of this kind of thing matters in reality.

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Isn't that the Nostalgia Chick?

Zikten posted...

Isn't that the Nostalgia Chick?

Yeah, but she hasn't gone by that label in years.
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Man that was weird

She's like a 30-40+ (seeming?) women basically freaking out about random people on twitter attacking her and it is weird

Makes me not want to ever use Twitter, that's for sure.

As far as her, she probably could have done better with everything before the avatar thing she said. I'm guessing a lot of people already hated her and just flipped that one day?

Also doesn't help that she admits to basically being some sort of sjw or person in that community who'd do (or did) this to anyone else it happened to, before herself and she realized it was bad.

Also seems to have a crazy high self worth and multiple weird complexes about how good a person she is despite fuck ups and how it destroyed her and such which is weird and overall almost pisses me off.

That first "canceled" girl or whatever actually had to change her name and move multiple times. It's almost like this girl is just now realizing that not everyone on the internet who isn't 100% up to date on all issues for every culture to group to person in the world, actually isn't horrible somehow.

Also that even people who make or say insensitive things to their friends on Twitter or social media here or there aren't actually horrible and might even do a lot of iffy or even bad things on social media and be good people.

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Esrac posted...

This sounds like an awful lot of words to say the common terms "white guilt", "purity testing", and "virtue signalling".

You know, if you turn down your own anger a bit, it's a lot easier to make sense of what you read.

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As much as anybody can make great points, Lindsay Ellis does have a small tendency to be a bit hypocritical lol. A lot of ex-Channel Awesome affiliates called her out on being supportive of a lot of the behaviors that went on, and CA themselves posted proof of her joking around with them about things that were stated to be problems. She also does do witch hunts quite often herself. She was a big part of the CA fallout and the JewWario stuff etc until the people within the grievances kept calling her out so she distanced herself from the whole thing.

It doesn't sit right with me, but there's no outright proof that she was always complicit as some have claimed, more that there are proof she was a part of some of the problems, and this whole schtick from what I read sounds like a bunch of typical Twitter bullshit that she's not exactly at fault for. It's not like she constantly wants people to be cancelled either, like say that one Obscurus Luca? I forget her name but she's blatantly pretty big on that behavior and was an ex-CA. But Lindsay Ellis really has no business calling anybody out on witch hunts

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I feel bad for her considering how hard she tries to do right by people who are frankly cruel and bad faith.

There's plenty I don't agree with her on, but how anybody can endorse the toxicity rather than her I don't understand.

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I watched the whole video and I saw a real human being generally doing her best to try to be compassionate for the right things, care about the right people, not give fuel to the far right, and acknowledge her mistakes where she thinks people might have a point.

And it clearly was brutal for her and her mental health, so I don't understand why somebody trying that hard to do right still deserves shame over compassion.

I don't have a lot of respect for anybody making such an argument towards her.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

Does deleting her Twitter herself count as "canceling"?

CyricZ posted...

The worst thing that came from it is she deleted her own Tiwtter account.

she didn't just delete her account out of the blue you clowns. she was relentlessly harassed to that point

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ledbowman posted...

she didn't just delete her account out of the blue you clowns. she was relentlessly harassed to that point

Dude I wasn't suggesting that. I was responding to the question as to the "degree of cancelling", like if she lost book deals or YT banned her or something.

Which didn't happen. The only major change to the "Lindsay Ellis content flow" is that she's no longer socially on Twitter. Her Twitter is actually back up now but she says she's only going to use it for business promotion (which I hope she keeps to).

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CyricZ posted...

Dude I wasn't suggesting that. I was responding to the question as to the "degree of cancelling", like if she lost book deals or YT banned her or something.

Which didn't happen. The only major change to the "Lindsay Ellis content flow" is that she's no longer socially on Twitter. Her Twitter is actually back up now but she says she's only going to use it for business promotion (which I hope she keeps to).

you are clearly trying to downplay what happened so you can say these mobs don't exist

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Guide posted...

You know, if you turn down your own anger a bit, it's a lot easier to make sense of what you read.

Its really weird to me that you think I'm angry at all. I can't imagine what could possibly make you think I was.

ledbowman posted...

you are clearly trying to downplay what happened so you can say these mobs don't exist

I don't understand how you come to that conclusion.

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ledbowman posted...

you are clearly trying to downplay what happened so you can say these mobs don't exist

This is the leftist tactic in response to people criticizing cancel culture 101

Just say that cancel culture does not exist and try to make people who criticize cancel culture look crazy for caring about something that doesn't exist

Cancel culture is mobs going after people in attempts to ostracize or negatively effect their income/employment. The only thing it takes for cancel culture to be "real" is that these mobs are out there doing their thing and it effects people's attitudes and actions.

Honestly, this is the first topic on CE I've ever seen where the vast majority don't seem to be devolving into mindless leftist group think and are actually discussing what happened

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Unsurprising that CE would downplay harassment towards women lmao

Esrac posted...

Its really weird to me that you think I'm angry at all. I can't imagine what could possibly make you think I was.

It's the kneejerk "muh white guilt" thing. There's no reasonable place that comes from.

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MrMallard posted...

For the most part, yeah. Most of her content is well-suited to playing in the background.

There are a few examples where the sound design is really loud and jarring. She uses some loud bleeps to cover up personal details she doesn't want to share, especially when she talks about her rape. But she shares the basic gist of what she means on-screen - for example, she bleeps out that she was roofied and raped, but the bleep screens detail that she was spiked and went through an unconsensual sexual experience.

She also bleeps out personal details of others who might not appreciate being spoken about.

Otherwise, you can more or less enjoy it in the background.

She should have checked her drink. Its her own damn fault she was not "raped"

ledbowman posted...

you are clearly trying to downplay what happened so you can say these mobs don't exist

Downplay what? A 30 year old women crying because internet people were mean

Well, that guy is gonna get suspended

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should be a ban.

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ledbowman posted...

you are clearly trying to downplay what happened so you can say these mobs don't exist

If that's how it's coming across then I apologize, because that wasn't my intent.

The video if nothing else makes it very clear how much she's going through internally as a result of this.

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lol, what did I miss?

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I don't know who this is, and I think her taste in music and film seems horrendous -- but she's cute, I agree with literally everything she's saying, and she seems really level-headed and intelligent.

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sutree posted...

Lol, "got respect from hero Roger Ebert" I forgot that legitimately happened

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TommyG663513 posted...

This is the leftist tactic in response to people criticizing cancel culture 101

Just say that cancel culture does not exist and try to make people who criticize cancel culture look crazy for caring about something that doesn't exist

Cancel culture is mobs going after people in attempts to ostracize or negatively effect their income/employment. The only thing it takes for cancel culture to be "real" is that these mobs are out there doing their thing and it effects people's attitudes and actions.

Honestly, this is the first topic on CE I've ever seen where the vast majority don't seem to be devolving into mindless leftist group think and are actually discussing what happened

It's refreshing to see.

I think the problem is that some people feel like if they acknowledge it at all they empower the alt-right or something, but it doesn't. Acknowledging and dealing with problems only improves a group, ignoring them is what hurts.

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She wasn't cancelled people disagreed with her. I don't want to go there , but this is looking like she has the ego the size of a Maine. And she is using the fact that people think she is cute to cry and gain followers. Just like that other big headed feminist did, When she switched to being red pill after she could not grift any longer off of feminist.


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cjsdowg posted...

She wasn't cancelled people disagreed with her. I don't want to go there , but this is looking like she has the ego the size of a Maine. And she is using the fact that people think she is cute to cry and gain followers. Just like that other big headed feminist did, When she switched to being red pill after she could not grift any longer off of feminist.

And you've got a chip on your shoulder the size of Texas about this. You just keep coming back to dump on her.
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cjsdowg posted...

She wasn't cancelled people disagreed with her. I don't want to go there , but this is looking like she has the ego the size of a Maine. And she is using the fact that people think she is cute to cry and gain followers. Just like that other big headed feminist did, When she switched to being red pill after she could not grift any longer off of feminist.

Twitter exists, you can go there and see this shit happen in real time. "Canceled" is the buzz word given to what is actually targeted harassment very similar to what we saw from GamerGate. Side with the wokescolds if you want, die on the Raya the Last Airbender hill if you want, but you cannot deny the existence of the cesspool that Twitter has become (by design?).

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

And you've got a chip on your shoulder the size of Texas about this. You just keep coming back to dump on her.

She has said some pretty racist shit in the past, and no didn't get canceled at all. And Yes Harassment is never good and those people who crossed the line should be banned from Twitter. However she was not cancelled and she is using that buzz word to play a victim because she knows it would get her support. It is drippings of of calculated manipulation. And one more thing, people are legit writing off the people of color who had issues with claiming the only people who cared were white. It is not having a chip on your shoulder to point this out.

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cjsdowg posted...

She has said some pretty racist shit in the past, and no didn't get canceled at all. And Yes Harassment is never good and those people who crossed the line should be banned from Twitter. However she was not cancelled and she is using that buzz word to play a victim because she knows it would get her support. It is drippings of of calculated manipulation. And one more thing, people are legit writing off the people of color who had issues with claiming the only people who cared were white. It is not having a chip on your shoulder to point this out.

Most of them were white, I witnessed this shit in real time. Whatever people of color that willfully misinterpreted her tweet there were others that thought the wokescold mob was being insane (Kat Blaque for instance), do only the POC voices that agree with you matter? I guess the line is whether or not they're useful to you, eh?

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sevihaimerej posted...

Most of them were white, I witnessed this shit in real time. Whatever people of color that willfully misinterpreted her tweet there were others that thought the wokescold mob was being insane (Kat Blaque for instance), do only the POC voices that agree with you matter? I guess the line is whether or not they're useful to you, eh?

No I follow some of the POC voices that complained about her, I can stop writing off their view points as "willfully misinterpreted" that is beyond disrespectful. You are writting of their feelings just like you are writing off them existing. And just because she has POC that agree with her that doesn't mean anything. There are black people who agree with the cops all the time they kill an unarmed man . Because they exist should we forget the people who don't?

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cjsdowg posted...

She wasn't cancelled people disagreed with her. I don't want to go there , but this is looking like she has the ego the size of a Maine. And she is using the fact that people think she is cute to cry and gain followers. Just like that other big headed feminist did, When she switched to being red pill after she could not grift any longer off of feminist.

You seem like the kind of person who makes up their minds about things before investigating at all.

I'd be curious your reaction to what she says in the video, but I know you'd never take even a fraction of the time.

IB "I don't have hours to waste listening to her [way you assume she behaves without investigating]!"

This statement will also precede you spending far more time than the video arguing in this topic with everybody who who challenges your uninformed characterization.

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cjsdowg posted...

No I follow some of the POC voices that complained about her, I can stop writing off their view points as "willfully misinterpreted" that is beyond disrespectful. You are writting of their feelings just like you are writing off them existing. And just because she has POC that agree with her that doesn't mean anything. There are black people who agree with the cops all the time they kill an unarmed man . Because they exist should we forget the people who don't?

They exist, but that doesn't mean they are correct in their actions. Raya, IS extremely similar to ATLA (as even the creators say, citing it as one of the major inspirations). You...are one of them aren't you?

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