Current Events > Should the cop have used a tazer on this teen that was about to stab another?

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oinkers gonna oink with their trigger happy shoot first ask questions later oinking

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Generally speaking, the idea that a psychologist is better trained to deal with these situations is pretty ludicrous on its face. Psychology has no predictions about these type of shit, and the types of predictions psychology generally makes are tiny, on the order of "girl gets stabbed 0.3 mm to the left instead".

When psychologists/psychiatrists are dealing with a patient who has gotten violent, they don't deal with that shit. They get 2-4 male orderlies to physically restrain the patient and then maybe shoot them up with haldol lol.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Oh, you mean the girl that started the fight and now shares responsibility for an innocent death?

>Attempted murder
>Innocent


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Zeus posted...

>Attempted murder
>Innocent

Self defense.

Mods being trash, shocking

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Self defense.

>Self defense
>Chasing after somebody to stab them

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Then let her get stabbed. Better a stabbing with help available to treat it than fatally shooting a teenager. Especially since she's responsible for being in that situation.

Of all the possible takes regarding this scenario, "have you considered that this girl deserved to get stabbed?" is probably the worst one.

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FlameTurtle posted...

Of all the possible takes regarding this scenario, "have you considered that this girl deserved to get stabbed?" is probably the worst one.

And yet I'm right.

shockthemonkey posted...

Dude youve been melting down and insulting everyone for a while, I cant imagine itll get much better if you keep it up. Let this one go.

Yeah I'm done with this, not a single intelligent poster is against me anyway

I watched the video. There was no time between him getting out his patrol car and the girl being shot 4 times, It was less than 10nseconds actually.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

And yet I'm right.

Yeah, you've certainly proven that by calling everyone else stupid. I'm certainly convinced.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

The cop should have just shot the knife out of her hand obviously

the cop could have used instant transmission, teleport behind her, grab the knife. the cop also could have stopped time with "za warudo". the cop who perceives time like the flash and has access to the speedforce could have run in and stopped her.

literally what these acab drones expect from cops

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Spooking posted...

It was a justified shooting. That other girl was about to get stabbed.

The other girl was the original attacker

Zikten posted...

The other girl was the original attacker

It doesn't matter. You understand it doesn't matter, right?

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Zikten posted...

The other girl was the original attacker

Yeah, but the cop showed up after the original confrontation happened and had no way of knowing who is who in that moment.

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BeyondWalls posted...

It doesn't matter. You understand it doesn't matter, right?

It does.

BeyondWalls posted...

It doesn't matter. You understand it doesn't matter, right?

No I don't. I think it matters

ModLogic posted...

the cop could have used instant transmission, teleport behind her, grab the knife. the cop also could have stopped time with "za warudo". the cop who perceives time like the flash and has access to the speedforce could have run in and stopped her.

literally what these acab drones expect from cops

To be fair, I think the guy you responded to was probably just being sarcastic. Even though I think most people here don't know much about guns or shooting, most people would realize that shooting a knife out of someone's hand in mid swing is ridiculously tough and borderline impossible to do so without possibly injuring (or killing) one of the two girls in the process.

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CableZL posted...

Yeah, but the cop showed up after the original confrontation happened and had no way of knowing who is who in that moment.

It still doesn't matter. Even if he showed up an hour earlier, you think his response was going to be, "oh, she hit you first, go ahead and get a good stab in then."

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

It does.

In the scope of the time frame in which the cop shows up and she's about to stab someone, it doesn't matter who the original aggressor was. She became the aggressor in that moment.

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CableZL posted...

it doesn't matter

It does. End of discussion.

BeyondWalls posted...

It still doesn't matter. Even if he showed up an hour earlier, you think his response was going to be, "oh, she hit you first, go ahead and get a good stab in then."

If the cop showed up an hour earlier, he would have been able to intervene before any physical confrontation happened.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

It does. End of discussion.

Nah. The cop isn't supposed to just stand there and allow someone to be stabbed just because she was attacked before he showed up. Self defense laws typically don't allow for unnecessary retaliation.

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I'm not saying let her stab her bully. I am saying don't kill the bully victim.

CableZL posted...

Nah. The cop isn't supposed to just stand there and allow someone to be stabbed just because she was attacked before he showed up. Self defense laws typically don't allow for unnecessary retaliation.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

It does. End of discussion.

Zikten posted...

I'm not saying let her stab her bully. I am saying don't kill the bully victim.

Unfortunately, deadly force is the best way to ensure that the other girl wouldn't get stabbed in that situation. There is no way the cop could have assessed that she was the victim of bullying in that moment.

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CableZL posted...

If the cop showed up an hour earlier, he would have been able to intervene before any physical confrontation happened.

You know what my point was.

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130 posts and still the same shit

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Zikten posted...

I'm not saying let her stab her bully. I am saying don't kill the bully victim.

How?

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BeyondWalls posted...

You know what my point was.

No, I'm not sure why you would assume that my thoughts are that the cop would let the person stab the other person if he was aware that the girl was attacked first.

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to Be honest if Im about to get stabbed by someone I would much prefer it if a nearby officer shot them before they got to me

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shockthemonkey posted...

This case sucks because it seems real difficult to do both those things

Exactly

The cop arrived in a moment where he had to act quickly to prevent a stabbing, but didn't have the opportunity to assess anything else.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Which is why you shouldnt call the cops if you can defend yourself

Seems like if the cops hadn't been called then lady-in-pink would be dead and the 16 year old would be in jail for murder. So not exactly a happy ending either way.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

It does. End of discussion.

Why does it matter?

Smackems posted...

130 posts and still the same shit

Well it's mostly people engaging a troll whose argument has boiled down to "nuh uh!" It's like arguing with a 2 year old.

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Of all the cases currently circulating, this is the one where the cops actions are the most understandable. That said, still believe non lethal options could and probably should have been attempted, and it speaks to the training these officers receive and the need for reform in that sector, but let her stab the other girl and let it play out is an awful take.

also two other officers almost immediately walk into frame after shots were fired. What were they doing? Had they just pulled up too?

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Of all the cases currently circulating, this is the one where the cops actions are the most understandable. That said, still believe non lethal options could and probably should have been attempted, and it speaks to the training these officers receive and the need for reform in that sector, but let her stab the other girl and let it play out is an awful take.

What non-lethal options are available when she's out of reach and about to stab the other girl within a few seconds?

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Anyone who judges seconds of footage with no common sense or understanding of real world scenarios will always argue based on what if scenarios that didnt happen and they have ample time and hindsight to respond to.

They have a complete inability to put themselves in anyone shoes or take the reality of life into any equation.

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CableZL posted...

What non-lethal options are available when she's out of reach and about to stab the other girl within a few seconds?

Honestly, I can't argue over using a taser either way, I'm shit at judging distances in person, let alone using a video still.

My only complaint is that the angle put the person he was trying to save at risk.

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Of all the cases currently circulating, this is the one where the cops actions are the most understandable. That said, still believe non lethal options could and probably should have been attempted, and it speaks to the training these officers receive and the need for reform in that sector, but let her stab the other girl and let it play out is an awful take.

also two other officers almost immediately walk into frame after shots were fired. What were they doing? Had they just pulled up too?

What exactly? Tasers are hit and miss, if you even manage to properly hit the target. I'd assume someone already tried shouting to drop the knife by that point. I'd assume the teen who was killed was probably in an adrenaline fueled state, so it's ultimately just a tragic circumstance in which the officer had to protect the person whose life was in danger regardless of how it ended up at that point. They'd do the same thing for someone trying to stab an incapacitated child rapist to death as well, regardless of how much the rapist morally deserves that death.

Zikten posted...

I'm not saying let her stab her bully. I am saying don't kill the bully victim.

Is it even confirmed that the 15 year old was the one that called 911? Is the dispatch call available? You do realize that the article you read on the other topic has since been edited and now it's just saying the officers were responding to a scuffle with one person wielding a knife. Obviously, that would be tragic and sad all around if the 15 year old was actually getting bullied and that it was just bad timing when police came, but the only one saying that she was bullied is coming from her aunt, who also claimed that police came and without warning shot her "for absolutely no reason".

Having said that, it STILL doesn't matter what was going on prior to the police arrival. You do NOT attempt to stab people in front of police. Warned multiple times to get down and still lunging at people with a knife. Tragic.

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I don't know, but I think it's weird how glib people are being over who started the fight and whether it matters.

It's literally the law in ohio that you can use deadly force without the duty to retreat. It's pretty expansive, it doesn't even just apply to your home.


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Balrog0 posted...

I don't know, but I think it's weird how glib people are being over who started the fight and whether it matters.

It's literally the law in ohio that you can use deadly force without the duty to retreat. It's pretty expansive, it doesn't even just apply to your home.

Going after somebody is not the same as not retreating.

Balrog0 posted...

It's literally the law in ohio that you can use deadly force without the duty to retreat.

Even so, does that give you the right to pursue, because that's more in line with what happened.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Well it's mostly people engaging a troll whose argument has boiled down to "nuh uh!" It's like arguing with a 2 year old.

Maybe don't do that

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the cop should have shot himself in the foot.

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