Current Events > Kyle Rittenhouse do you think he is guilty or not guily?

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ryudo500
05/16/21 3:59:44 PM
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Kyle Rittenhouse do you think he is guilty or not guilty?



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

for those that haven't, I think NYT, while leans a certain way (dont wan tto say to warp your childlike minds, i want you to think for yourselves for once) I think they are ok in that opinion piece article.

say why or why not you chose your option

edit* we are mainly talking about the biggest charge here which is murder, theres other charges too like breaking curfew, possesion as minority, carryign across state lines, inciting riot, arson, etc but the biggest one he needs to dodge and evade is murder so thats what is being discussed mainly as that is the "biggest" charge of them all

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SothaSil
05/16/21 4:01:11 PM
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dolomedes posted...
he's a murderer, end of story


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05/16/21 4:01:11 PM
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ryudo500 posted...
dont wan tto say to warp your childlike minds, i want you to think for yourselves for once

this is definitely not a childlike post

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CRON
05/16/21 4:02:04 PM
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He very clearly traveled with a loaded weapon with the intention of firing it.

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Zikten
05/16/21 4:02:11 PM
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Guilty. Witnesses say he was egging protestors on and getting them mad on purpose. And then when they react, he kills them
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Tenlaar
05/16/21 4:03:03 PM
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ryudo500 posted...
dont wan tto say to warp your childlike minds, i want you to think for yourselves for once
Ahh, the hallmark of a good faith post.
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MutantJohn
05/16/21 4:03:49 PM
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"Think for yourself, watch this same YT video that I did that showed me the truth!"

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IShall_Run_Amok
05/16/21 4:04:46 PM
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Transparently guilty, and most of the people who say otherwise know it.

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SothaSil
05/16/21 4:05:16 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Transparently guilty, and most of the people who say otherwise know it.
Of course. The only people who defend him just support rightwingers murdering people they don't like.

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monkmith
05/16/21 4:06:41 PM
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even if you can possibly make an argument that the first shooting was entirely out of his urge to protect himself, an argument that falls apart for the simple reason that he was a minor with an illegal gun, the subsequent fleeing and shooting pretty much destroys that argument.

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Smackems
05/16/21 4:06:42 PM
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I think its a messy situation in which I don't honestly care that much

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ryudo500
05/16/21 4:07:02 PM
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for the people saying guilty

what if that guy with teh skateboard and other guy with gun WERE to have folowed through with theri actions. we dont know if the sakeboard guy was aiming for him or pavement same with gun, what do you say if someone said it was selfe defense

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Zeus
05/16/21 4:07:24 PM
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He was chased and assaulted by a mob intending to kill him, including a man with a pistol who was only stopped from executing him when he was shot in the shoulder. The self-defense is undeniable.

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ryudo500
05/16/21 4:07:51 PM
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monkmith posted...
even if you can possibly make an argument that the first shooting was entirely out of his urge to protect himself, an argument that falls apart for the simple reason that he was a minor with an illegal gun, the subsequent fleeing and shooting pretty much destroys that argument.

the biggest charge will be murder though @monkmith

unless prosecution feels they ant charge him and retracts that, but they re going forward at this time

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ryudo500
05/16/21 4:08:11 PM
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Zeus posted...
He was chased and assaulted by a mob intending to kill him, including a man with a pistol who was only stopped from executing him when he was shot in the shoulder. The self-defense is undeniable.
@Zeus what do you say to those that dont think this

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BeyondWalls
05/16/21 4:09:18 PM
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Not guilty. The last two guys really thought they were being heroes, but they were acting on bad information and from Rittenhouse's perspective it was 100% self defense. The first guy who got shot? Rosenbaum, I think. That guy can get fucked. He was only there to start trouble. Spent all day swinging a chain weapon around (because he couldn't legally own a gun due to his sex offender status.) Then got pissed because Rittenhouse wouldn't let him set a dumpster on fire and push it into a police barricade. Rosenbaum then chased Rittenhouse across the street, cornered him, and grabbed Rittenhouse's gun. Unless Rittenhouse was just going to hand over his gun to Rosenbaum, there was no choice but to fire.

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ThyCorndog
05/16/21 4:09:31 PM
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dolomedes posted...
he's a murderer, end of story

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monkmith
05/16/21 4:11:51 PM
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ryudo500 posted...
the biggest charge will be murder though @monkmith

unless prosecution feels they ant charge him and retracts that, but they re going forward at this time
sure, and it makes sense, because "stand your ground" does not equal "bring an illegal gun to a protest and try to start a fight". the sheer fact that he was carrying the gun was illegal, that makes him an actual criminal in the act of committing a crime, and as such 'stand your ground' doesn't apply.

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Nemu
05/16/21 4:12:02 PM
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Based on just the couple videos I watched back when it happened, I'm unsure. It sounds like he's probably guilty of a few lesser charges, but I'm not sure if the chain of events becomes murder just because of that. Once everything is neatly packaged for the trial, it'll likely be easier to form a more concrete opinion.
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BeyondWalls
05/16/21 4:12:12 PM
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CRON posted...
He very clearly traveled with a loaded weapon with the intention of firing it.
You can make the same argument for the guy Rittenhouse shot.

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Doom_Art
05/16/21 4:12:18 PM
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ryudo500 posted...
dont wan tto say to warp your childlike minds, i want you to think for yourselves for once
How does someone type this (I assume) unironically lol

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Lord_Shadow_19
05/16/21 4:12:35 PM
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Not Guilty, there is plenty of footage to show that he was acting in self defense.

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Tenlaar
05/16/21 4:14:08 PM
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monkmith posted...
the sheer fact that he was carrying the gun was illegal, that makes him an actual criminal in the act of committing a crime, and as such 'stand your ground' doesn't apply.
The act of having an illegal weapon does not mean that somebody loses the right to self defense. That's just not how it works.
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ZMythos
05/16/21 4:15:58 PM
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He should be tried as an adult for murder and the cops who let him go should be fired.

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JoeBurrow
05/16/21 4:17:58 PM
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Murdering piece of shit and anyone who defends him is no better
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ryudo500
05/16/21 4:19:11 PM
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@dolomedes well the post said they were going to attack the person so it was self defense, if the culprit doesnt shoot, what plays out next? if its not self defense then its murder or is there something else

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CADE FOSTER
05/16/21 4:20:28 PM
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death penalty he is guilty as shit he should have stayed at home he deserves every thing that happens to him
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Dark_Spiret
05/16/21 4:21:56 PM
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guilty of murder? no.
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weekoldhotdog
05/16/21 4:22:26 PM
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GUILTY as FUCK is what his shirt should say

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skermac
05/16/21 4:23:33 PM
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What is he charged with?

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Zikten
05/16/21 4:25:24 PM
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ZMythos posted...
He should be tried as an adult for murder and the cops who let him go should be fired.

I actually saw video of him jogging down the street waving a gun in one arm and running past a bunch of cops who just let him go by. It's so surreal. Never would you expect cops to ignore someone waving a gun around
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JoeBurrow
05/16/21 4:26:16 PM
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Zikten posted...
I actually saw video of him jogging down the street waving a gun in one arm and running past a bunch of cops who just let him go by. It's so surreal. Never would you expect cops to ignore someone waving a gun around
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Zikten
05/16/21 4:27:35 PM
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skermac posted...
What is he charged with?

Murder
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DestroyerOfEvil
05/16/21 4:29:31 PM
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His crime was literally caught on video.
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ryudo500
05/16/21 8:32:49 PM
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how big is intent ? should jurors know all the back history and information about those who were involved

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SSJPurple
05/16/21 8:40:04 PM
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He traveled out of state with a gun to provoke already upset people he didnt like so he could shoot them...

Dudes a piece of shit

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Perascamin
05/16/21 8:54:26 PM
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Spooking posted...
Not guilty. One guy tried to hit him with a skateboard while the other tried to pull a gun, but wasn't fast enough.
No they pulled a gun on him and demanded he drop his weapon because he killed a guy. The people confronting him had no intention of harming him, outside of the guy who threw a plastic bag at Kyle while chasing him. Kyle responded to the plastic bag by shooting him.

The person who pulled the pistol was trying to apprehend Kyle who had just committed felony murder.

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Medz2021
05/16/21 8:56:00 PM
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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...
Not Guilty, there is plenty of footage to show that he was acting in self defense.


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TerraSeeker
05/16/21 9:36:25 PM
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Not guilty. He was clearly defending himself.

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Heartomaton
05/16/21 9:37:24 PM
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Guilty AF.

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Fenrimis
05/16/21 9:43:37 PM
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Not guilty for Murder
Guilty for Illegal Gun Possession

You're allowed to use an illegal gun in self-defense situations. He was under attack and showed self-control by only firing off one round at each target and stopped shooting when they stopped attacking and continued to run to police.

But im also strongly under the belief that we need to ban open carry of assault rifles - it just leads to more incidents like this.

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TheOtherMike
05/16/21 9:53:39 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
The act of having an illegal weapon does not mean that somebody loses the right to self defense. That's just not how it works.

That's literally exactly how it works.
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littlebro07
05/16/21 9:56:00 PM
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dolomedes posted...
he's a murderer, end of story


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KingArthur3D
05/16/21 10:09:21 PM
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Samurontai
05/16/21 10:39:17 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
That's literally exactly how it works. You can't claim self-defense for killing someone while committing a felony.

Having an illegal firearm isnt an automatic felony charge, and I believe he was actually charged with a misdemeanor because of the firearm, so youre just wrong

and yes, he can definitely claim self defense, at any time

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