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slk_23 05/21/21 9:01:31 PM #1: |
He doesn't want her to swim to the surface because it's dangerous, and this is actually perfectly reasonable. But the movie makes him out to be a bad guy, and Ariel is heroic for defying him. Same with Ursula; she's sitting and minding her own business until Ariel comes along. Then Ursula clearly warns her about what will happen and even makes her sign a contract for liability's sake, and she's still wrong. Why does Ariel do everything wrong, and she's the hero of the movie?
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Irony 05/21/21 9:02:43 PM #2: |
He was wrong about Sora
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Wii_Shaker 05/21/21 9:04:35 PM #3: |
Ariel makes her own mistakes and grows from the lessons she learns from them.
She's obviously too stubborn to follow her father's every command. She's also too curious to heed Ursula's warnings. She'd still be depressed living under the sea if she did what she was told and the movie would have nowhere to go. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM 1970-2020 (G.O.A.T.) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turbam 05/21/21 9:06:36 PM #4: |
Ariel is too fucking stupid to be a likeable protagonist
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pegusus123456 05/21/21 9:08:08 PM #5: |
Irony posted...
He was wrong about SoraNo, he was right then too. Sora was from another world and he's not supposed to interfere in the affairs of others. Speaking of Kingdom Hearts, Ariel is the only big Disney Princess to not be a Princess of Heart. It's probably because she's a mermaid, but it also makes sense that she's not pure of heart because she does so much wrong in the movie. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 05/21/21 9:11:19 PM #6: |
pegusus123456 posted...
No, he was right then too. Sora was from another world and he's not supposed to interfere in the affairs of others.No he was wrong about the keyblade wielder bringing ruin --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordFarquad1312 05/21/21 9:12:30 PM #7: |
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No he was wrong about the keyblade wielder bringing ruinNo he's not, as proven by the events of BbS --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nukazie 05/21/21 9:14:48 PM #9: |
slk_23 posted...
Why does Ariel do everything wrong, and she's the hero of the movie?fighting the power, no matter what the responsibility or consequences --- Life is just a journey from the maternity ward to the crematorium. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 05/21/21 9:15:04 PM #10: |
LordFarquad1312 posted...
No he's not, as proven by the events of BbSSora had nothing to do with that --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordFarquad1312 05/21/21 9:16:13 PM #11: |
Irony posted...
Sora had nothing to do with thatIrrelevant, when the legends say Keyblade wielders bring ruin and it's factually and actually correct. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tenlaar 05/21/21 9:19:23 PM #12: |
BabyRoxann posted...
Ursula manipulated a teenagerManipulated by laying out the exact terms and risks of the deal? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 05/21/21 9:21:36 PM #13: |
LordFarquad1312 posted...
Irrelevant, when the legends say Keyblade wielders bring ruin and it's factually and actually correct.And my original post and second were concerning Sora. Your entire argument is irrelevant lol --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/23/21 5:49:26 AM #15: |
slk_23 posted...
Why does Ariel do everything wrong, and she's the hero of the movie?Are you new to Disney movies? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PMarth2002 05/23/21 5:50:24 AM #16: |
Triton throws a huge temper tantrum and wrecks all of her shit, that's pretty fucked up.
Ariel's like 15 or 16, she's a kid who's father is acting borderline abusive and is then manipulated by someone into signing a contract that is entirely unfair and designed to take advantage of her. She's largely a victim in her own movie.. --- You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kajagogo 05/23/21 5:50:27 AM #17: |
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Manipulated by laying out the exact terms and risks of the deal? Ursula? Is that you? --- By Grabthar's Hammer....what a savings. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/23/21 5:51:00 AM #18: |
PMarth2002 posted...
He throws a huge temper tantrum and wrecks all of her shit, that's pretty fucked up.Oh shit. Pick of Destiny has the same plot as Little Mermaid. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlisLandale 05/23/21 5:56:26 AM #19: |
To be fair, her collection is based on the appraisal of a dumbass seagull.
If he told her what any of that shit actually was shed be thanking her dad for cleaning up all that garbage. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Noumas 05/23/21 5:58:51 AM #20: |
It goes without saying how much we identify with Ariel. Did anyone else's parents do exactly what Triton did? Mine did, they destroyed my toys as punishment just like triton did to Ariel. Suffice to say the movie struck a chord with me as a kid. I would gladly leap at the chance of love to never see my family again (after all you can start a new family with your loved one)
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CaptainOfCrush 05/23/21 6:13:10 AM #21: |
Teenager is growing up and wants to do their own thing. Controlling parent overreacts and pushes her away despite his good intentions. Teenager rebels, runs away, does something foolish. Parent regrets his overreaction. A bunch of Disney stuff happens. Parent realizes that his child has grown and it's time to let her live her own life.
Look past the Disney plot points and required happy ending, and Ariel/Triton are very human, relatable characters. Theirs is the story countless fathers and daughters have lived, but because it's a Disney cartoon, it gets a perfectly happy ending and is told in the span of like a week versus several years. Also, I don't think Ariel's actions are necessarily painted as "heroic" - she's just a flawed protagonist. --- Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PMarth2002 05/23/21 6:17:55 AM #22: |
Tenlaar posted...
Manipulated by laying out the exact terms and risks of the deal? Ursula minimizes the risks, the terms are stupidly unfair, she pressures Ariel into signing it without giving her any time to think about it (or even read it) and than actively tries to sabotage Ariel throughout the third act of the movie. --- You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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