Current Events > How believable is Adam and Eve's story?

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BlackJackCat posted...

What a lazy fucking writer then. I demand the additional plot lines of the Creation Arc in this goddamn manga.

if there's anything consistent about the Abrahamic Literary Universe, it's inconsistent writing.

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Jabodie posted...

I've read interpretations that Adam and Eve were the first God created from dust, but not the only ones. Idk if that is actually congruent with the a Bible story.

It's not just Adam and Eve that don't make sense with modern evidence, but most of Genesis, from a literal standpoint. (whether the 1day is a literal 1 day, or 1day is "as 1000 years")

1day Earth +Day/Night (but no sun) ->
1day The Sky (the iron dome) ->
1day Land + Fruit (but... no bees, no fruit seed spreading animals) ->
1day total? for every single Star+planet+Sun/Moon ->
1day for fish/birds ->
1day for animals/man ->
1day for God to rest.

Whether you make each day 1 literal day, or 1000 years, or millions of years.

There is no way to make it work in the order provided. Especially with modern evidence. (the sun was made AFTER the earth? AFTER day/night. Flowering plants and fruit millions of years before animals also doesn't work)
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Medussa posted...

if there's anything consistent about the Abrahamic Literary Universe, it's inconsistent writing.

I loved the whole "There is a nine hundred year gap in this person's genealogy, so clearly he lived 900 years" bit.

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Talking snake debunks it alone lol


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And no current God stories ever happened.

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SSJPurple posted...

Talking snake debunks it alone lol

Reptilian Overlords

His name was Frank great guy.

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PleaseDive posted...

Social media influencer followers. It still exists.

I never knew their doctrine was to blindly believe what a book tells you and to never question the validity of it.

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Notti posted...

It's not just Adam and Eve that don't make sense with modern evidence, but most of Genesis, from a literal standpoint. (whether the 1day is a literal 1 day, or 1day is "as 1000 years")

1day Earth +Day/Night (but no sun) ->
1day The Sky (the iron dome. name origin for Israel's defense system) ->
1day Land + Fruit (but... no bees, no fruit seed spreading animals) ->
1day total? for every single Star+planet+Sun/Moon ->
1day for fish/birds ->
1day for animals/man ->
1day for God to rest.

Whether you make each day 1 literal day, or 1000 years, or millions of years.

There is no way to make it work in the order provided. Especially with modern evidence. (the sun was made AFTER the earth? AFTER day/night. Flowering plants and fruit millions of years before animals also doesn't work)

you forgot God makes anything possible

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Ratchetrockon posted...

I believe aliens created us.

yup

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Also anything is possible w/ God / advanced alien tech

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Medussa posted...

as for the incest stuff, theoretically god could have just made more humans off screen. (off page?)

He would have had to, as supposedly Cain was bashed yet came back with a wife.

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SSJPurple posted...

Talking snake debunks it alone lol

Actually back when the Bible was written, the word serpent meant any lizard, so the author could have meant an alligator for all we know.

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TyVulpine posted...

Actually back when the Bible was written, the word serpent meant any lizard, so the author could have meant an alligator for all we know.

I remember reading somewhere that the serpent had legs, but I'm not sure if that was dealing with apocrypha or not.

But yeah it could mean literally anything.

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Every time someone has a no wiper bowel movement it is a biblical miracle.
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M_Live posted...

Why haven't any zany things like this happened since before people started following Christianity? Like why did magic and miracles and stuff just dissappear thousands of years ago

Because complacency of faith killed it. If you want that again you need to make sure 100% of the world believes in it too, or it will never happen.

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BlackJackCat posted...

Because complacency of faith killed it. If you want that again you need to make sure 100% of the world believes in it too, or it will never happen.

Actually, it came from centuries of embellishment by the various clergy and Popes, as well as forbidding questioning of any and all miracles on threat of death for heresy.

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Prestoff posted...

Some Christians write it off as "Its just a metaphor.", basically it applies to any part of the bible that sounds stupid or made up.

That's just you getting upset because that means you can't take the bible as literal as possible and you lose the vast majority of your insults to it

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Turbam posted...

If you believe in creationism, then we are all the product of Adam and Eve and therefore all sex is incest.
If you believe in evolution, then we are all the product of a common singular ancestor and therefore all sex is incest.

Checkmate atheists

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TyVulpine posted...

Actually, it came from centuries of embellishment by the various clergy and Popes, as well as forbidding questioning of any and all miracles on threat of death for heresy.

People in a position of authority lying? How shameful.

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MushroomMuncher posted...

That's just you getting upset because that means you can't take the bible as literal as possible and you lose the vast majority of your insults to it

Thanks for proving my point.

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I mean even if you do take it at a metaphorical level, it's still rife with paradoxes and inconsistencies.

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Do you think adam and eve is less believable or noah's ark?

Surviving 3 days in the belly of a sea creature is my favorite

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SrRd_RacinG posted...

lol?

as believable as bayonetta

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Prestoff posted...

Thanks for proving my point.

So you admit your only way to criticize the bible is to take it as literally as possible because you have nothing else?

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Jabodie posted...

I've read interpretations that Adam and Eve were the first God created from dust, but not the only ones. Idk if that is actually congruent with the a Bible story.

After God punished Cain for killing Abel, Cain was worried that whoever found him would kill him.

So somehow other humans got there. >_>

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KazGT6 posted...

Do you think adam and eve is less believable or noah's ark?

somehow managing to get a big ass boat to get two opposing sexes of every existing animal in the world is less believable

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AlisLandale posted...

After God punished Cain for killing Abel, Cain was worried that whoever found him would kill him.

So somehow other humans got there. >_>

Including his wife, oddly.

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MushroomMuncher posted...

So you admit your only way to criticize the bible is to take it as literally as possible because you have nothing else?

Nah, there are plenty of other things to criticize the bible so please stop putting words in my mouth. Im mostly making fun of the lazy excuses people give to try to make sense of the bible like the typical "god works in mysterious ways."

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Arcanine2009 posted...

somehow managing to get a big ass boat to get two opposing sexes of every existing animal in the world is less believable

small ass boat

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KazGT6 posted...

Do you think adam and eve is less believable or noah's ark?

Ill give it to adam and eve because at least metaphorically it can make more sense than noahs ark.

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Prestoff posted...

Im mostly making fun of the lazy excuses people give to try to make sense of the bible

You mean like taking everything extremely literally?

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The Bible is only literal when I agree with it

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Prestoff posted...

Ill give it to adam and eve because at least metaphorically it can make more sense than noahs ark.

to be fair, if were discussing Noahs Ark, were talking under the presumption that an all-powerful God exists.

surely He couldve worked something out. >_>

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To be fair, some historical documents did talk about a great flood at one point. Don't know about a zoo on a boat though

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MushroomMuncher posted...

You mean like taking everything extremely literally?

I already explained why i made the comment. So can you please stop putting words in my mouth? Thank you.

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there are a shit ton of great flood myths. my personal theory is they're stories from way back to the last time the glaciers started to melt.

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AlisLandale posted...

to be fair, if were discussing Noahs Ark, were talking under the presumption that an all-powerful God exists.

surely He couldve worked something out. >_>

Noah would have been one hell of an engineer lol.

The story would make more sense if they God told noah "save the animal species tha arent the fucking dinosaurs."

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A lot of incest and then all of God's children spread around the Earth and mixed together ending the incest.

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Prestoff posted...

Noah would have been one hell of an engineer lol.

The story would make more sense if they God told noah "save the animal species tha arent the fucking dinosaurs."

so fun trivia. Growing up in a Christian school (protip: dont send your kids to Christian school.), the explanation I remember for this was that there was a firmament of water surrounding the earth that created a greenhouse/tropical climate.

the flood was caused, according to theory, by the firmament coming down onto the earth. With no more water bubble surrounding the planet, the climate rapidly changed.

so the explanation was that Noah did save dinosaurs, but then they all died from rapid climate change lol (No, I dont recall their stance on the K-T or any other extinction events on the biblical timeline lol.)

As for Noah being an engineer. God did give specifications for the ark. But Noah was also like, 500 years old when he had children. Surely he had the time to learn a few trades >_>

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I dont Adam and Eve jt

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The flood legend is also not unique to the bible as I recollect. Apocrypha also tend to have an interesting twist of biblical events, but of course some of them are a bit too zany, at least, in so far as they don't seem to serve some sort of purpose that can be made.

Scripture can be a hell of a leash if you use it just right, but you gotta have the right content and context. Now of course we could argue that said leash is not inherently bad (the bible admonishes things we generally agree are bad, like murder) but on the other side you see what a loaded gun it is in the hands of say Southern baptists.

It was when I looked into these stories that I really questioned the foundation the whole Christianity thing was based on. The New Testament is a little more grounded, except when a certain figure gets involved. I won't spoil it, but it's a great read sometimes if you're into that sort of thing and want a decent mental exercise.

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The entire book of Genesis is obvious nonsense, and trying to claim any part of it is a metaphor doesn't help much because none of it really makes sense. I don't know how anyone's faith survives actually reading the entire Old Testament.

BlackJackCat posted...

Scripture can be a hell of a leash if you use it just right, but you gotta have the right content and context. Now of course we could argue that said leash is not inherently bad (the bible admonishes things we generally agree are bad, like murder) but on the other side you see what a loaded gun it is in the hands of say Southern baptists.

There is one apocrypha book, The Testament of Solomon, where King Solomon has to outwit 32 demons. He enslaved them with a holy ring so that he could use them to build the temple. Each demon is described like something out of Silent Hill. The book might have been written by a Greek speaking Christian.

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BB mofo posted...

There is one apocrypha book, The Testament of Solomon, where King Solomon has to outwit 32 demons. He enslaved them with a holy ring so that he could use them to build the temple. Each demon is described like something out of Silent Hill. The book might have been written by a Greek speaking Christian.

The apocrypha is hella interesting, especially because you have to wonder at what context they were supposed to have, if any.

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BlackJackCat posted...

The apocrypha is hella interesting, especially because you have to wonder at what context they were supposed to have, if any.

It's a weak theory of mine, but I believe the powerful demon who refused to name himself and whom Solomon could not control was meant to be Legion. It was written to tie the book into the New Testament story when Jesus exorcised Legion and placed them into pigs. The apocrypha demon mentions he is a demon of the Jordan River, which is where the pigs ran to.

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If you actually read the bible you would know the story is not about adam and eve but about god. The bible is the story of adam and eves god who has withstood the test of time through abraham. Adam and eve were cast out of paradise for disobeying god and wanting to be like him by eating the apple, had they not eaten the apple they would have never learned the knowledge of good and evil and would have lived forever in paradise in the garden of eden. In either case, the bible does not speak about the actions of adam and eve after their exile, but it is assumed that they migrated and joined other tribes and their god helped them through struggles, leading to abraham and then to moses who took the jews, who are the descendants of adam and eve, out of egypt and through the desert wandering for four decades living off of mana that god created from nothing for them to get to the promised land. The problem is that we have not atoned for the sins of adam and eve so we continue this perpetual cycle of slavery to god as we learn thedifference between good and evil and become like god and join him in heaven.

Thatsmy understanding of it. There was no in breeding, after the exile they migrated and lived extremely long lifespans surely long enough to populate a small tribe or village with other tribes that existed.

TrollTrace posted...

If you actually read the bible you would know the story is not about adam and eve but about god. The bible is the story of adam and eves god who has withstood the test of time through abraham. Adam and eve were cast out of paradise for disobeying god and wanting to be like him by eating the apple, had they not eaten the apple they would have never learned the knowledge of good and evil and would have lived forever in paradise in the garden of eden. In either case, the bible does not speak about the actions of adam and eve after their exile, but it is assumed that they migrated and joined other tribes and their god helped them through struggles, leading to abraham and then to moses who took the jews, who are the descendants of adam and eve, out of egypt and through the desert wandering for four decades living off of mana that god created from nothing for them to get to the promised land. The problem is that we have not atoned for the sins of adam and eve so we continue this perpetual cycle of slavery to god as we learn thedifference between good and evil and become like god and join him in heaven.

Thatsmy understanding of it. There was no in breeding, after the exile they migrated and lived extremely long lifespans surely long enough to populate a small tribe or village with other tribes that existed.

You need to seriously reread the first book of the Bible.
It clearly states that god created the heavens and the earth and everything that was in it and first created Adam and Eve.
How the hell you arrive at other tribes humans being there already, independent of god's creation of man is beyond me.

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KINDERFELD posted...

You need to seriously reread the first book of the Bible.
It clearly states that god created the heavens and the earth and everything that was in it and first created Adam and Eve.
How the hell you arrive at other tribes humans being there already, independent of god's creation of man is beyond me.

Because its the same god that lives today. He created adam and eve to live forever in paradise, but they messed up and were cast into the wilderness where i assume they ran into other humans in order to reproduce, they did not have incest orgies or whatever this silly thread is implying. The story of the old testament is the story of the jewish god that has survived the test of time unlike other gods. The idea that adam and eve were the first humans is a debate in and of itself, we just know it is their god that the majority of the world worships. Thats how i understand it at least. Its a history of god basically.