Current Events > Seth Rogen doesn't understand comedians who complain about cancel culture

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TommyG663513 posted...

I follow sports very much. No one should be put on that level. Kobe was just a dude. The massive outpour of tears was pathetic. No one should mourn a celebrity like that.

Shut the fuck up. If you aren't from L.A. you really can't say shit since it really isn't too uncommon to run into a few Lakers here. Hell, Michael Cooper used to live at the same apartments I used to live in way back when I was still in Culver City.

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TommyG663513 posted...

So? Cancel culture is the threat of ostracization from professional circles over a perceived failure to live up to the norms and/or social standards of said group. How else would you define it?

I don't really think its real. Like I said, most of these incidents are completely different things, there's no real unifying force behind it. Its also, like I said, not something that is "applied".

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't really think its real. Like I said, most of these incidents are completely different things, there's no real unifying force behind it. Its also, like I said, not something that is "applied".

The unifying force is social media and increased political polarization which causes people to see others in increasingly black and white perspectives.

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The black and white perspective like not jacking off in front of other people or shitting on a celebrity and other adjacent people soon after their deaths.

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dave_is_slick posted...

Shut the fuck up. If you aren't from L.A. you really can't say shit since it really isn't too uncommon to run into a few Lakers here. Hell, Michael Cooper used to live at the same apartments I used to live in way back when I was still in Culver City.

Um get over yourself. It's super stereotypical for people from the LA area to fawn over celebrities and talk about how they run into them all of the time and how important they feel because they're so close to celebrities.

It is absolutely pathetic to have been so deeply effected by Kobe's death.

The Lakers are a garbage organization and always have been ever since they left Minneapolis. LA is known for the most trash fair weather fans in the country. Lakers garbage fan base suddenly reappeared in time for LeBron tho unsurprisingly.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

The black and white perspective like not jacking off in front of other people or shitting on a celebrity and other adjacent people soon after their deaths.

Yes and you choose some of the more extreme examples to try and make your point.

Go and take your garbage disingenuous argument elsewhere

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Hey whatever happened to Al Franken and Aziz Ansari? Surely both of their careers are currently in just as good of shape as they were five years ago, because cancel culture isn't actually real and doesn't negatively effect anyone ever

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Hayame Zero posted...

Every time someone tries to tell me that, I point out the Klansmen scene in Django Unchained.

Just point out television today vs television during the time of blazing saddles.

Seriously, people act like the past was some wild west instead of "oh man they showed married couples in the same bed and had a toilet flushing THE CONTROVERSY".

The Simpsons was controversial in the 90s! Think how adorable that is compared to the stuff today
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TommyG663513 posted...

Hey whatever happened to Al Franken and Aziz Ansari? Surely both of their careers are currently in just as good of shape as they were five years ago, because cancel culture isn't actually real and doesn't negatively effect anyone ever

It exists in the same form it has always existed.

It's really nothing new. We're just pretending it is for reasons
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TommyG663513 posted...

Hey whatever happened to Al Franken and Aziz Ansari? Surely both of their careers are currently in just as good of shape as they were five years ago, because cancel culture isn't actually real and doesn't negatively effect anyone ever

Aziz Ansaris show just released its third season last week and he released a big Netflix special a year or two ago

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Aziz Ansaris show just released its third season last week and he released a big Netflix special a year or two ago

Yeah his Netflix special was an apology tour

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Why does TommyG just have to shit up every topic hes a part of.

Man I hate the Lakers but Kobe dying was huge. I mean, what do people say when they throw trash into the garbage like a basketball?

Just shut your mouth, you dont know what youre talking about in 99.9% of the topics you post in.
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TommyG663513 posted...

Yeah his Netflix special was an apology tour

Wow you mean if you do something shitty and take the time to reflect and make up for it instead of angrily doubling down you can earn public trust back?

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Wow you mean if you do something shitty and take the time to reflect and make up for it instead of angrily doubling down you can earn public trust back?

He shouldn't have had to apologize for anything. It's clear that Aziz decided to kill off the Aziz of old including all of the good and bad. Did you watch his comedy special?

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Why does TommyG just have to shit up every topic hes a part of.

Man I hate the Lakers but Kobe dying was huge. I mean, what do people say when they throw trash into the garbage like a basketball?

Just shut your mouth, you dont know what youre talking about in 99.9% of the topics you post in.

Yeah you're just making a troll post to trash a user. Join in on the debate or go away.

The point is that people were super dramatic about Kobe's death and your post is not at all a counter point to that. Don't act like I pinched your grandma when I say people were super dramatic about Kobe dying.

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To hell with Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK, Aziz Ansari, and so many others.

#BelieveWomen #MeToo

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iPhone_7 posted...

To hell with Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK, Aziz Ansari, and so many others.

#BelieveWomen #MeToo

As long as we extend this to Kobe's accuser I'd be ok with this. It definitely looked like he raped that girl and I doubt he gets off of those charges if that incident happens today.

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Dakimakura posted...

Seth Rogen was never a comedian though. Just a comedic actor whose niche was to act like a guy who is a creep.

He actually used to do stand up in his teens
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Scorsese2002 posted...

He actually used to do stand up in his teens

I used to play clarinet in the high school band in my teens, doesn't make me a clarinetist.

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Comedy is very simple.

If you make people laugh, they don't care about how offensive your joke may or may not be. Dave Chappelle says offensive shit all the time and still has a career.

The problem that many "cancelled" comedians fall into is that they aren't funny and try to rely on shock value to get a reaction out of the audience.

Then when people figure out their gimmick and stop falling for it, they go bitch about it on social media and make themselves look even worse.

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pogo_rabid posted...

I used to play clarinet in the high school band in my teens, doesn't make me a clarinetist.

Still doesnt take away from the fact he used to do stand up
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Comedy is very simple.

If you make people laugh, they don't care about how offensive your joke may or may not be. Dave Chappelle says offensive shit all the time and still has a career.

The problem that many "cancelled" comedians fall into is that they aren't funny and try to rely on shock value to get a reaction out of the audience.

Then when people figure out their gimmick and stop falling for it, they go bitch about it on social media and make themselves look even worse.

Yeah there are a lot of crappy shock comics out there

Doesn't change the fact that Chappelle gets away with a lot that other comics wouldn't. Granted, he is probably the best comic of our generation, but Chapelle is not without slip ups and has been accused of things.

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Scorsese2002 posted...

Still doesnt take away from the fact he used to do stand up

Conflating someone who dabbled in something a few times while a teen with a professional in that area is disingenuous at best.

I had a summer job working in a carpentry shop, doesn't make me an ex carpenter.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Yeah you're just making a troll post to trash a user. Join in on the debate or go away.

The point is that people were super dramatic about Kobe's death and your post is not at all a counter point to that. Don't act like I pinched your grandma when I say people were super dramatic about Kobe dying.

>says Im making a troll post
>makes a troll post

lmao, ok buddy. Look, Im not the one whos shocked that people were sad when someone who was a major star during a lot of peoples childhood, especially as basketball/the internet was growing during Kobes career.

I bet you were shocked when people were sad Michael Jackson died. I cant wait for you to be flabbergasted about peoples reactions when Michael Jordan passes away.
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pogo_rabid posted...

Conflating someone who dabbled in something a few times while a teen with a professional in that area is disingenuous at best.

I had a summer job working in a carpentry shop, doesn't make me an ex carpenter.

But youre the best carpenter!
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TommyG663513 posted...

Doesn't change the fact that Chappelle gets away with a lot that other comics wouldn't.

Yes....because he's actually funny.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Yes....because he's actually funny.

No he has been accused of numerous things......

That were still funny

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TommyG663513 posted...

No he has been accused of numerous things......

That were still funny

Accused of things like what?

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

>says Im making a troll post
>makes a troll post

lmao, ok buddy. Look, Im not the one whos shocked that people were sad when someone who was a major star during a lot of peoples childhood, especially as basketball/the internet was growing during Kobes career.

I bet you were shocked when people were sad Michael Jackson died. I cant wait for you to be flabbergasted about peoples reactions when Michael Jordan passes away.

The two paragraphs you typed in this post were not troll posts, but reasonable rebuttals to a discussion. Your previous post was just a troll post though. Me pointing out your trolling isn't me trolling. This isn't complicated stuff.

I'm not shocked or flabbergasted by people's reactions to celebrity deaths, because it happens often. I'm pointing out that I think it is stupid to worship celebrities like that.

Go ahead and enjoy your false idols. Gods don't exist in heaven and they don't exist here on earth either.

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TommyG663513 posted...

I'm not shocked or flabbergasted by people's reactions to celebrity deaths, because it happens often. I'm pointing out that I think it is stupid to worship celebrities like that.

Mourning someone's death after a tragic accident (one that involved children, mind you) is worshipping now?

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Accused of things like what?

Transphobia and various isms.

He has also been accused of playing on black stereotypes for laughs and projecting himself to come from a much more urban background than he really did.

Chapelle grew up upper middle class in a DC area suburb. Both of his parents were high accomplished academics.

Chapelle himself quitting his own show was partially due to him finding issue with how he played up stereotypes for laughs

He also gets accused of not at all attempting to be funny during his stand up performances. Instead giving long drawn out monologues that don't necessarily lead to a punchline. This is something that Hannah Gadsby gets accused of, but Chapelle gets more of a pass.

The last one is more of an artistic criticism rather than something morally objectionable though.

Oh yeah, and his last set opening up for SNL was really bad and literally used "a white man" as his punchline

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Mourning someone's death after a tragic accident (one that involved children, mind you) is worshipping now?

There is a.massive difference between mourning and what a lot of people did. You're just being obtuse to act like everyone who mourned wasn't at all some crazy Stan.

It's like most users on here think in such black and white terms and just argue the position of their side in the culture wars

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TommyG663513 posted...

Transphobia and various isms.

He has also been accused of playing on black stereotypes for laughs and projecting himself to come from a much more urban background than he really did.

Chapelle grew up upper middle class in a DC area suburb. Both of his parents were high accomplished academics.

Chapelle himself quitting his own show was partially due to him finding issue with how he played up stereotypes for laughs

He also gets accused of not at all attempting to be funny during his stand up performances. Instead giving long drawn out monologues that don't necessarily lead to a punchline. This is something that Hannah Gadsby gets accused of, but Chapelle gets more of a pass.

The last one is more of an artistic criticism rather than something morally objectionable though.

Oh yeah, and his last set opening up for SNL was really bad and literally used "a white man" as his punchline

And yet notice how he still has a career because people find him funny, and his jokes actually come across as jokes and not the ramblings of a bigot.

Meanwhile, Ari Shaffir does not have a career because his "jokes" are so unfunny that people cannot interpret them as jokes. And when that happens, people can only assume that you're just being a dick.

Thank you for proving my point.

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Jesus Christ what is TommyG even arguing about anymore. He's fucking insufferable and has no point except that comedians should be allowed to say anything with no consequence.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And yet notice how he still has a career because people find him funny, and his jokes actually come across as jokes and not the ramblings of a bigot.

Meanwhile, Ari Shaffir does not have a career because his "jokes" are so unfunny that people cannot interpret them as jokes. And when that happens, people can only assume that you're just being a dick.

Thank you for proving my point.

I didn't prove your point

You just used hamfisted logic and ignored everything I said.

I love Chapelle and I hang on the dudes every word. Doesn't mean I think he is perfect. And yeah obviously Ari is a fraction of the co.ic Chapelle is. That is staying the obvious.

The point is that Chapelle gets a pass when he is less than perfect and he is by no means perfect

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TommyG663513 posted...

There is a.massive difference between mourning and what a lot of people did. You're just being obtuse to act like everyone who mourned wasn't at all some crazy Stan.

What did "a lot of people" do? You keep making vague references to this, but have yet to point towards any behavior you think is unreasonable, given the circumstances.

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TommyG663513 posted...

The point is that Chapelle gets a pass when he is less than perfect and he is by no means perfect

He gets a pass because he is funny, and people correctly interpret his comments as jokes.

Jesus fucking Christ

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

He gets a pass because he is funny, and people correctly interpret his comments as jokes.

Jesus fucking Christ

And he isn't always funny.

Jesus fucking Christ you didn't read or understand a single thing I said

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This is as good as "if you dont break the law you wont ever have any trouble with the police"

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TommyG663513 posted...

Jesus fucking Christ you didn't read or understand a single thing I said

You aren't making a point lmao

You've bitched about cancel culture this entire topic, yet now you're complaining about Dave Chappelle getting a pass for some of his more offensive comments.

Make up your fucking mind

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LordMarshal posted...

This is as good as "if you dont break the law you wont ever have any trouble with the police"

It's funny, because mobs of people on social media have even less rules to follow and less accountability than police. Granted, it's just people trolling, but still.

I'm not even against cancel culture. I just think it is a bit inconsistent in going overboard on some people and giving a pass to others.

I just want cancel culture to be better.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You aren't making a point lmao

You've bitched about cancel culture this entire topic, yet now you're complaining about Dave Chappelle getting a pass for some of his more offensive comments.

Make up your fucking mind

If you think I've just been bitching about cancel culture this entire topic the again take the time to read my posts and understand it before you post.

I've mostly pointed out ITT how disingenuous it is to take the "cancel culture isn't real" argument.

I've said many times ITT that I'm generally in favor of celebrities receiving more accountability. I just also think it is silly to act like cancel culture is perfect and/or can not be improved upon.

It's your fault for seeing the world in such black and white terms and having terrible reading comprehension.

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TommyG663513 posted...

It's your fault for seeing the world in such black and white terms and having terrible reading comprehension.

What everybody's been trying to get through your thick skull throughout this entire topic is the fact that the use of "cancel culture" is in and of itself an attempt to paint things in black and white terms. Something you yourself are doing right now by failing to recognize the nuance involved with Ari Shaffir losing his career while Dave Chappelle gets to keep his.

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Also, no cancel culture does not exist.

Celebrities losing their careers because they're no longer profitable and people refuse to support them is literally how business works.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Also, no cancel culture does not exist.

Celebrities losing their careers because they're no longer profitable and people refuse to support them is literally how business works.

Which is not the same as digging for ancient tweets.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Um get over yourself. It's super stereotypical for people from the LA area to fawn over celebrities and talk about how they run into them all of the time and how important they feel because they're so close to celebrities.

It is absolutely pathetic to have been so deeply effected by Kobe's death.

The Lakers are a garbage organization and always have been ever since they left Minneapolis. LA is known for the most trash fair weather fans in the country. Lakers garbage fan base suddenly reappeared in time for LeBron tho unsurprisingly.

Little boy don't speak on things you don't know.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Jesus Christ what is TommyG even arguing about anymore. He's fucking insufferable and has no point except that comedians should be allowed to say anything with no consequence.

They should be allowed , theyre comedians not role models .

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

What everybody's been trying to get through your thick skull throughout this entire topic is the fact that the use of "cancel culture" is in and of itself an attempt to paint things in black and white terms. Something you yourself are doing right now by failing to recognize the nuance involved with Ari Shaffir losing his career while Dave Chappelle gets to keep his.

Holy crap dude just no

Cancel culture can vary by degrees. That isn't black n white

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dave_is_slick posted...

Little boy don't speak on things you don't know.

Lol go back to following LA trash teams and being a part of the worst fanbase in the country

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TommyG663513 posted...

The two paragraphs you typed in this post were not troll posts, but reasonable rebuttals to a discussion. Your previous post was just a troll post though. Me pointing out your trolling isn't me trolling. This isn't complicated stuff.

I'm not shocked or flabbergasted by people's reactions to celebrity deaths, because it happens often. I'm pointing out that I think it is stupid to worship celebrities like that.

Go ahead and enjoy your false idols. Gods don't exist in heaven and they don't exist here on earth either.

You are shocked because you didnt understand how people could have the reaction that they did when Kobe died.

Yeah, he has his rape scandal that did kind of get pushed under the rug, but he was literally an icon of the sport. Itd be like if Ken Griffey Jr died in a freak accident. Itd shock the shit out of the world that a megastar athlete from a lot of peoples childhood just died.

Like if you cant understand why people have the reaction they did, youre the weird one. Kobe was a huge part of a lot of peoples lives growing up. Like I said, I hated him hardcore and the Lakers and it still hit me hard that he was just gone. Let alone one of his daughters and all the others who died in the accident.
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