Current Events > Leader 4 life, Xi Jingping, will now allow 3 child policy due to low birth rates

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-announces-three-child-policy-in-major-policy-shift/ar-AAKymTk

BEIJING (Reuters) -China announced on Monday that each couple would be permitted to have up to three children, a major policy shift from the existing limit of two children after recent data showed a dramatic decline in births in the world's most populous country.

The change was approved during a politburo meeting chaired by President Xi Jinping, the official news agency Xinhua reported.

In 2016, China scrapped its decades-old one-child policy - initially imposed to halt a population explosion - with a two-child limit, which failed to result in a sustained surge in births as the high cost of raising children in Chinese cities deterred many couples from starting families.

Early this month, China's once-in-a-decade census showed that the population grew at its slowest rate during the last decade since the 1950s, with data showing a fertility rate of 1.3 children per woman for 2020 alone...
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Uh oh racists are going to be mad more Chinese people will be born

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better plan. Raise wages and give things like reasonible work hours, paid time off, and a 5 day work week

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the Emperor needs more little green men

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Iloveyou5 posted...

Uh oh racists are going to be mad more Chinese people will be born

Many of the babies were still born all these years. They just got sent to orphanages. That's what people woukd do. Already have a kid and get pregnant? Go to the orphanage

What a dumb name

I'm reminded of Game of Thrones where Bobby B asked if the one who named Lancel Lannister was a halfwit with a stutter

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Too little too late.

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Iloveyou5 posted...

Uh oh racists are going to be mad more Chinese people will be born

It's not going to do anything. Birth rate is already around 1.3, but hard to know if that's real or not because almost all statistics get massaged by the government (the census last year said population went down, then was sent back to be revised and now said it went up slightly). I'm not helping because we could be having all the kids we want since we live in Japan, but we don't have any. All countries are having this problem, it's a side effect of prosperity. The more wealthy a country becomes, the lower the birth rate.

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Ubergeneral3 posted...

better plan. Raise wages and give things like reasonible work hours, paid time off, and a 5 day work week

It's actually the people with the least amount of money and the worst working conditions having the most kids on average. I know everyone wants to believe this will help, but it won't. Though 9/9/6 and other terrible working standards should end for a laundry list of reasons. The race to the bottom isn't just limited to America.

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Shut the fuck up, SMAL
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In a poll on Xinhua's Weibo account asking #AreYouReady for the three-child policy, about 29,000 of 31,000 respondents said they would never think of it while the remainder chose among the options: "I'm ready and very eager to do so", "it's on my agenda", or I'm hesitating and there's lot to consider.
The poll was later removed.

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what a king

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ssjevot posted...

It's not going to do anything. Birth rate is already around 1.3, but hard to know if that's real or not because almost all statistics get massaged by the government (the census last year said population went down, then was sent back to be revised and now said it went up slightly). I'm not helping because we could be having all the kids we want since we live in Japan, but we don't have any. All countries are having this problem, it's a side effect of prosperity. The more wealthy a country becomes, the lower the birth rate.

Not necessarily. Israel. People will have kids if its deemed necessary

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Iloveyou5 posted...

Not necessarily. Israel. People will have kids if its deemed necessary

Yeah, Israel is an interesting exception, but as the poll they removed showed the vast majority aren't interested (and with a birth rate lower than Japan it's going to face an extreme demographic time bomb in the near future). And anecdotally within my wife's family a lot of people have no children, none have more than 1 despite it having been 2 child for a while now.

China will eventually have to open up to immigration. It will be extremely unpopular, but the government doesn't have to reflect popular opinion, so it will force it through once the other options are exhausted.

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I think it's a bit late tbh

the damage has been done

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If you can read Chinese check out Weibo right now. Chinese are absolutely unloading on this policy. Extremely critical comments and outright anti-government sentiment is massively upvoted. They are deleting some but it's overwhelming. I am legitimately shocked at the level of outrage.

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ssjevot posted...

If you can read Chinese check out Weibo right now. Chinese are absolutely unloading on this policy. Extremely critical comments and outright anti-government sentiment is massively upvoted. They are deleting some but it's overwhelming. I am legitimately shocked at the level of outrage.

Weibo massacre incoming

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What is the work life balance in the CCP? Because this will be a global issue in many non Nordic countries due to the work life balance being out of whack

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deanshow posted...

What is the work life balance in the CCP? Because this will be a global issue in many non Nordic countries due to the work life balance being out of whack

Really bad. 9/9/6 is a thing, work from 9 to 9 for 6 days a week and no paid vacation. My wife did this before she moved to Japan and it's increasing there. She actually took a pay cut moving here, but the work life balance in Japan is actually that much better that it was worth it for her. There is also the increasing cost of home ownership/rent. Child care is also outrageous, it actually costs more in mainland China than Hong Kong. Income inequality is growing massively too (more people are buying a second or third home than a first home, and that's not because most people own a home already); a lot resentment is building up and the government seems to be more interested in deflecting than trying to solve things, which this policy is prime example of. People are just unloading all their grievances online right now.

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bump.
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Bump
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didn't US's birth rate actually lower than China?

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Ricemills posted...

didn't US's birth rate actually lower than China?

US is 1.73, China is 1.3 (officially, many experts think it is actually lower). So no. US also has a large amount of immigration offsetting the below replacement level birth rate.

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ssjevot posted...

US is 1.73, China is 1.3 (officially, many experts think it is actually lower). So no. US also has a large amount of immigration offsetting the below replacement level birth rate.

i just googled it
US has 1.73 rate for each woman, and China has 1143 birth for every 1000 people (both gender).
so if we convert US rate for both gender, then shouldn't it be half of 1.73 ?(assuming 50:50 gender ratio)


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Ricemills posted...

i just googled it
US has 1.73 rate for each woman, and China has 1143 birth for every 1000 people (both gender).
so if we convert US rate for both gender, then shouldn't it be half of 1.73 ?(assuming 50:50 gender ratio)

Uh, if you Google China fertility rate you get the official government rate of 1.3. I don't get what you're trying to say here. No one is claiming the rate is more than 1.3, some claim it is less, because prior to the government revising the census after they didn't like the results it was less. So it's either 1.2 or 1.3 depending on which statistic from the government you believe (some experts say both are too high). The rate is always given per woman because men generally don't give birth.

English language Chinese news source:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3135342/chinese-military-faces-challenge-falling-fertility-rate

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ssjevot posted...

Uh, if you Google China fertility rate you get the official government rate of 1.3. I don't get what you're trying to say here. No one is claiming the rate is more than 1.3, some claim it is less, because prior to the government revising the census after they didn't like the results it was less. So it's either 1.2 or 1.3 depending on which statistic from the government you believe (some experts say both are too high). The rate is always given per woman because men generally don't give birth.

English language Chinese news source:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3135342/chinese-military-faces-challenge-falling-fertility-rate

you do realise that 1143 of 1000 is lower than 1.3 rate, right?
and you didn't address the part of my post about US's actual rate

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Under his eye.

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Ricemills posted...

you do realise that 1143 of 1000 is lower than 1.3 rate, right?
and you didn't address the part of my post about US's actual rate

I did address it. It's rate per woman, that's what the rate is. There is nothing controversial about this. It's the standard measure used by any organization comparing these rates.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=US

You can look at any country you want there.

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Lmao Winnie the Pooh wants more people to put honey in each other

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ssjevot posted...

You can look at any country you want there.

comparison between US-CN
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=US-CN
US : 1.703
CN : 1.696
almost the same rate, but if we see the trend from previous years on that data, US would be lower than cihna in 2020.


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Ricemills posted...

comparison between US-CN
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=US-CN
US : 1.703
CN : 1.696
almost the same rate, but if we see the trend from previous years on that data, US would be lower than cihna in 2020.

Uh, no it wouldn't, because China just released their official data (previous data is estimated, since it was last collected in 2010) and the government itself says it is 1.3 now. It has massively decreased, and that's by the official stat, which was 1.2 prior to their revisal last month, and some say is actually lower still. The government didn't announce this 3 child policy for fun. They're panicking and ignoring the actual causes which is why Chinese are so angry online.

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you just told me to use that site, and now you don't want the data from that site.
ffs make up your mind

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Ricemills posted...

you just told me to use that site, and now you don't want the data from that site.
ffs make up your mind

I told you, you can compare data on it. The data is still 2019 data. There have been two articles posted in this topic saying the Chinese government said the fertility rate in 2020 is 1.3 and your response has just repeatedly been no. I don't get why you find it so hard to believe. If the Chinese government says it's 1.3, there is no way it's actually higher. They forced them to revise the 1.2 stat they first released.

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ssjevot posted...

I told you, you can compare data on it. The data is still 2019 data.

and i fucking did.
then after i posted the data of US/CN 2019, suddenly only chines data matters to you.


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Ricemills posted...

and i fucking did.
then after i posted the data of US/CN 2019, suddenly only chines data matters to you.

Dude you're the guy who keeps insisting the Chinese birth rate is higher than officially reported. This policy wasn't a response to estimated data from 2010, it is a response to the actual data collected last year. (Also as you yourself pointed out, even the data there showed China having a lower rate despite overestimating it, so how can you possibly keep up this US is actually lower farce?).

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Under his eye.

By his paw.

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told yall he was cool

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they bout to be fuckin in china tonight

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ssjevot posted...

Dude you're the guy who keeps insisting the Chinese birth rate is higher than officially reported

are you fucking blind? i never said that.
i asked if US birth rate is actually lower than china ffs.

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Ricemills posted...

are you fucking blind? i never said that.
i asked if US birth rate is actually lower than china ffs.

And there is no data saying it is, so why do you keep trying to claim that?

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That's what I call a baby boom

#LetsGoChina

ssjevot posted...

And there is no data saying it is, so why do you keep trying to claim that?

are you trying to ignore the site you provided?
in that site the rate of US/CN is almost the same, but US is declining at faster rate than CN.
by interpolating the data from 2010-2019 we can see that US will have lower rate in 2020.

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Ricemills posted...

are you trying to ignore the site you provided?
in that site the rate of US/CN is almost the same, but US is declining at faster rate than CN.
by interpolating the data from 2010-2019 we can see that US will have lower rate in 2020.

We have the actual data from 2020 dude. It's 1.3 according to the Chinese government. That's not an estimate, that's their official stat from the census. US fertility rate for 2020 according to the US government was 1.64. Check the CDC website. 4% decrease from 2019.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr012-508.pdf


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ssjevot posted...

We have the actual data from 2020 dude. It's 1.3 according to the Chinese government. That's not an estimate, that's their official stat from the census. US fertility rate for 2020 according to the US government was 1.64. Check the CDC website. 4% decrease from 2019.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr012-508.pdf

1.64 on US rate in 2020, that's already lower than CN 1.696 rate in 2019.


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Ricemills posted...

1.64 on US rate in 2020, that's already lower than CN 1.696 rate in 2019.

China said the 2020 rate is 1.3. in every single article posted here. Stop trolling.

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ssjevot posted...

China said the 2020 rate is 1.3. in every single article posted here. Stop trolling.

ok, what did China said about US's birth rate then?
lol.


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Ricemills posted...

ok, what did China said about US's birth rate then?
lol.

Neither China nor the US say anything officially about the other country's birth rates, because they don't collect birth data on other country's citizens. What a weird ass deflection.

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