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Eramir posted...

Think about it, McDs and Walmart and other big corporations are the biggest welfare queens there is.

Why? Are large percentage of their work force is so underpaid they have to rely on welfare. Essentially the US government subsidizes McDs and Walmarts to even function properly. Yet all the profits goes to the CEOs.

yes. it's corporate socialism

mooreandrew58 posted...

Normally they are easy to replace. Unemployment paying more changed that. Which as i said before is more of a argument in favor of raising wages if you ask me.

Yeah, if the poverty level benefits they are getting from unemployment are competitive with the wages at a job, then you need to raise your wages.

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Eramir posted...

Think about it, McDs and Walmart and other big corporations are the biggest welfare queens there is.

Why? Are large percentage of their work force is so underpaid they have to rely on welfare. Essentially the US government subsidizes McDs and Walmarts to even function properly. Yet all the profits goes to the CEOs.

I do at least respect those that work and sponge off the government at the same time a lot more than those that wont even try getting a job. Not disagreeing with general idea of what you said though. Just saying they are at least making some kind of attempt.

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If employers can't afford to pay a liveable wage, then the business doesn't deserve to exist. The unemployment and other benefits have made people realize that the wages being paid are bullshit.
The value of labor has increased. It hasn't increased to anything ridiculous. People just want to afford to live. That's the price of labor.
If I can't afford a porsche then I don't get a porsche. I don't get to go to porsche and demand a discount. If a business can't afford workers and labor, then that is on the business, not the labor market.

Eramir posted...

Think about it, McDs and Walmart and other big corporations are the biggest welfare queens there is.

Why? Are large percentage of their work force is so underpaid they have to rely on welfare. Essentially the US government subsidizes McDs and Walmarts to even function properly. Yet all the profits goes to the CEOs.

Exactly. These corporations should be forced to have CEOs take drastically less money and pay the workers. Of course the private sector isnt any better. They see McDonalds paying minimum wage and they do the same. Most private restaurants are built as get-rich-quick schemes for the owner. Notice the owner has a new bmw when everyone else takes the bus.

Payzmaykr posted...

Exactly. These corporations should be forced to have CEOs take drastically less money and pay the workers. Of course the private sector isnt any better. They see McDonalds paying minimum wage and they do the same. Most private restaurants are built as get-rich-quick schemes for the owner. Notice the owner has a new bmw when everyone else takes the bus.

Good. They earned it. So what's the issue?

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The broader question at play here is: is the point of a society to funnel people into fast food kitchens?

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Lazy fucks I say
Why work when u can still suck on momma and daddys dry titty?

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Umbreon posted...

Nah, we pay those taxes for fun. Why would we want to make use of those years of having a percentage of our paycheck taken from us? /s

As someone already mentioned, posters who are against raising the minimum wage and unemployment don't seem to have a good grasp on how economics actually works. I assume it's mostly trolling by teens.

Let's just be real here. The jobs that can't find workers are mostly restaurant(specifically fastfood) & retail. NO ONE over the age of 25 or so, wants to seriously work those. The pay is low, the work is stressful,& customer service is a BS job that can never be compensated enough to justify what one has to deal with. The problem here is that until the extended unemployment benefits came along, most people there had no desirable alternative.

People generally considered worthless & easily replaced with robots if they dare ask for a raise, are actually the foundation for a lot of society to function & aren't quite as expendable as once thought.

Really, the pandemic exposed a lot of things about our society, such as schools mostly being childcare services, that I would love to read some academic papers about, but I doubt anyone seriously touches any of it once things go back to normal.

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darkbuster posted...

Let's just be real here. The jobs that can't find workers are mostly restaurant(specifically fastfood) & retail. NO ONE over the age of 25 or so, wants to seriously work those. The pay is low, the work is stressful,& customer service is a BS job that can never be compensated enough to justify what one has to deal with. The problem here is that until the extended unemployment benefits came along, most people there had no desirable alternative.

People generally considered worthless & easily replaced with robots if they dare ask for a raise, are actually the foundation for a lot of society to function & aren't quite as expendable as once thought.

Really, the pandemic exposed a lot of things about our society, such as schools mostly being childcare services, that I would love to read some academic papers about, but I doubt anyone seriously touches any of it once things go back to normal.

What bugs me with unemployment thing is it almost pays as much as my job. My job is essential and my job can turn dangerous even deadly in the blink of an eye. But that goes to show they dont care about us. I work a job where me being potentially murdered is simply a job hazard and I get paid barely over the poverty level.

Off topic slightly but I was reminded of one of the craziest things to think about with my line of work. We are told in basic training if we get taken hostage sorry but we aint gonna save you. Hell they said if for some crazy ass reason the president wad on the unit and got taken hostage they wouldnt save him either.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Good. They earned it. So what's the issue?

People with your attitude.

You dont make bank while the people doing the work starve. Thats called slavery and its not looked upon highly, which is why most of us are boycotting.

If you cant pay your workers a living wage, you dont deserve to live a life of luxury. End of discussion.

_Rinku_ posted...

Best case scenario for minimum wage:

40 hours x $7.25/hr = $290 per week. Sounds decent... until taxes kick in. Expect to lose about 30% of that to taxes, social security, etc. You're looking at maybe $200/week after all of that.

Is this your first week on the job? Assuming your boss didn't outright revoke your offer or write you up constantly for not having the uniform, your uniform cost is gonna come out of that first check. You wouldn't believe how much some of these places charge for a hideous polo with the establishment name on it.

This also assumes that you get 40 hours a week. Virtually no minimum wage, retail, food service, etc. job offers full time hours. What they will do is give your three four hour shifts, an eight hour shift, give you your schedule the week of, and demand complete availability so you can't even get a second job. Your schedule will never be consistent. Your amount of hours will never be consistent. You will always run a skeleton crew that can just barely get everything done while 250lb Karen screams at you because you only put two shots of vanilla in her latte instead of three.

Who the fuck would put up with that for literally not enough money to live on? You cannot make it on your own on minimum wage anywhere in the country.

Wow. This is one of the best posts i have seen in a long time. Spot on bro. Dude no one wants to work shit jobs. The problem is when you have no money to start off with. See, if you start off with nothing you are already behind because you are going to have to pick up the slack that your ancestors didn't. If you at least start with something, you can snowball that money and create more wealth. For example, what we are doing right now is a luxury. Just having a conversation about stuff, if we didn't have the money to pay for our telephone bills we would be screwed. There are people out there, right now, that use phones not to talk to strangers anonymously cuz they are bored but to create content, learn, build a brand and create wealth. That kind of attitude takes you places. When you do not own stuff for the sake of showing what socio economic class you belong to but instead use the stuff you have to make you money you turn into a money machine. Now everything you do has a dollar value attached to it.

The rich and powerful are holding you down, everyone. Not the person working 50 hours a week for $10/hr.

So many people are against welfare and relying on the government, yet they have no problem with millions of full time jobs being literally unlivable, and are angry that workers would demand more from their employers.

But it's ok because they heard of a millionaire who lived out of a car and ate their own shit, so if they can do it, then fuck you and your bills. Nevermind that they aren't millionaires either.

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Systems Administrator

must have CCIE
must know 30 different programming languages
must be a database architect
must be a security expert ( networking layer, OS layer, building security layer and user layer)
must be fine spending 8 hours a day doing help desk and the other 8 hours a day after hours catching up on your actual job
must be an expert business analyst
must be an electrician and have the appropriate cabeling licences and certs
must be a plumber with the appropriate plumbing licences and certs
ROCKSTAR printer technician (we have over 200 printers, some people have multiple on the same desk lol)
have a passion for maintaining building infrastructure including coffee machines and ovens
have a passion for home calls
if the cleaners dont clean one weekend its your job to clean before Monday morning to make up for it
must have a Ph.D or equivalent
must be certified with X Y Z medical equipment
$25k a year

we cant find any appropriate workers! We need to import people from overseas at rock bottom prices since theres a skill shortage!

oh wait, theres a pandemic and now we cant import low price workers? Aw shit dude

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Systems Administrator

must have CCIE
must know 30 different programming languages
must be a database architect
must be a security expert (both networking layer, OS layer and user layer)
must be fine spending 8 hours a day doing help desk and the other 8 hours a day after hours catching up on your actual job
must be an expert business analyst
must be an electrician and have the appropriate cabeling licences and certs
must be a plumber with the appropriate plumbing licences and certs
ROCKSTAR printer technician (we have over 200 printers, some people have multiple on the same desk lol)
have a passion for maintaining building infrastructure including coffee machines and ovens
have a passion for home calls
if the cleaners dont clean one weekend its your job to clean before Monday morning to make up for it
must have a Ph.D or equivalent
must be certified with X Y Z medical equipment
$25k a year

we cant find any appropriate workers! We need to import people from overseas at rock bottom prices since theres a skill shortage!

oh wait, theres a pandemic and now we cant import low price workers? Aw shit dude

Entry level jobs want experience. Like wtf?

Theres some business up the street from my house that is always begging people to work there. They require a masters degree and only pay $15/hr.

Masters Degree should = $50-70k starting pay

_Rinku_ posted...

Best case scenario for minimum wage:

40 hours x $7.25/hr = $290 per week. Sounds decent... until taxes kick in. Expect to lose about 30% of that to taxes, social security, etc. You're looking at maybe $200/week after all of that.

Is this your first week on the job? Assuming your boss didn't outright revoke your offer or write you up constantly for not having the uniform, your uniform cost is gonna come out of that first check. You wouldn't believe how much some of these places charge for a hideous polo with the establishment name on it.

This also assumes that you get 40 hours a week. Virtually no minimum wage, retail, food service, etc. job offers full time hours. What they will do is give your three four hour shifts, an eight hour shift, give you your schedule the week of, and demand complete availability so you can't even get a second job. Your schedule will never be consistent. Your amount of hours will never be consistent. You will always run a skeleton crew that can just barely get everything done while 250lb Karen screams at you because you only put two shots of vanilla in her latte instead of three.

Who the fuck would put up with that for literally not enough money to live on? You cannot make it on your own on minimum wage anywhere in the country.

I'm retail with full time hours. Of course being in the union also helps with that.

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IMO casual work should be heavily restricted to only be allowed in cases where theres not enough work to justify a full or part time employee

like if youre a Walmart and you have 50 employees working 2.5 days a week on a casual basis, Walmart should be slapped with an excessive fine and be instructed to hire a minimum of 25 full time employees.

hockeybub89 posted...

The rich and powerful are holding you down, everyone. Not the person working 50 hours a week for $10/hr.

So many people are against welfare and relying on the government, yet they have no problem with millions of full time jobs being literally unlivable, and are angry that workers would demand more from their employers.

But it's ok because they heard of a millionaire who lived out of a car and ate their own shit, so if they can do it, then fuck you and your bills. Nevermind that they aren't millionaires either.

this can't be emphasized enough

I always laughed at the old "You're expendable" talking point, and how it always turns into "Wont you come back? We cant hire anyone that does the job you do" when I bail for greater opportunities elsewhere. Yet never does it occur to them to offer more money . . .

Whats funny is, low-end people are very much not expendable up here. Places are shuttering because they flatly cannot staff entire shifts. At the same time, quit an IT or medical job and watch hundreds of degree'd fast food workers and gas station attendants dog-pile it in desperation so they can justify their crushing debt. Because the guy serving you fries likely IS a college graduate. Those jobs are the genuinely expendable ones it seems.

It'll swing around surely. we just need our population to grow 1000% and have all the newcomers not even have GEDs. Any day now . . .

Proletariats unite and take back what's yours!

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Meanwhile burger king night shift is probably running just fine. We ran on 2 people all the time when I worked there.

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Zeus posted...

It's almost like paying people more money to not work has an adverse effect on the labor market or something.

you really think brick and mortar stores were doing just fine before the pandemic?

lmao

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