Current Events > Conservatives are OUTRAGED over this video on NICKELODEON!! Are you Mad too?

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Conservatives are raging over a Nickelodeon Youtube video which they branded OFFENSIVE when it aired a music video performed by a DRAG QUEEN in honour of pride month!!

Newsmax Host, Grant Stenchfield, oopsa a poo, i mean Stinchfield claims the network has "gone off the deep end" with its "transgender indoctrination" when the children's network posted it on its official Youtube channel

It features 42 y/o performer and RuPaul's Drag Race Alum Andrew Levitt who also goes by the name Nina West

West explains the colours of the rainbow and urges children to be proud of who they are

Grant, who also hosts the daily show on Newsmax warns his guests about what he's about to show them and that it's a "doozy" claiming "Not that i have anything against gay people, whatever it may be, but hteir transgender indoctrination of kids is just out of left field. Do you understand the amount of questions parents are going to get after that?"

Guest Isabella Riley digged deeper and said the network has SINISTER MOTIVES and said "Like you said, i don't have a problem with gay people. I don't care about transgender people. My problem is that you're shoving it down everyone's throats and i reject any pride month that is just celebrating identity politics."

She calls it creepy and makes her never want to have kids and said "I don't want to bring them into a world where this is being pushed on them and it's scary, including critical race theory in public schools. I would never subject my kids to these kids of people living with us now"

Jason Campbell, a research for media matters, a progressive watchdog group posted the segment and said "How strange, people who don't have a problem with gay or transgender people, have a problem with gay or transgender people"

The video already has 10,000 dislikes with only 1k likes

Do you have a problem with this video posted on Nickelodeon?

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I for one, am mad as hell.

I mean, those earrings with THAT lipstick?

UGH

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Full Throttle posted...

Conservatives are raging

literally nonstop since 1980

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Didn't watch the vid, but I assume there's nothing sexual in it (beyond, if you count it as inherently sexual, a drag queen being featured)? If so, nope, I don't see a problem.

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June is conservatives second least favorite month after February

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are they maybe disliking the video because the music sucks and not because its a dude in drag.

Itd be one thing if it was being aired on Teen Nick, but I feel like that subject may be a little mature for the average aged Nick viewer.

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I think the video was beautiful. Same with the Blues clues one. Imagine being a kid in a family described in the songs. It must feel very accepting.

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BabyRoxann posted...

You dont think there are young gay kids or kids with gay parents who would feel more included by content like this?

Maybe I guess. Though in my experience, kids dont really start thinking about sex till theyre a lil older. Like maybe eleven or twelve.

Then again I dont have kids of my own, so maybe Im wrong.

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BabyRoxann posted...

I knew I wasnt straight way before 10. I just didnt know what it was called. Kids know way before they tell you.

Yeah I guess that makes sense. Just because they arent discussing it, dont mean they aint thinking it.

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DJquackquack posted...

Maybe I guess. Though in my experience, kids dont really start thinking about sex till theyre a lil older. Like maybe eleven or twelve.

Then again I dont have kids of my own, so maybe Im wrong.

I'm gay and I'm telling you now I would have liked seeing this video when I was a kid watching nickelodeon or even just on their youtube page.

And yes it means a lot

You don't have to wait until a kid knows he's queer to tell him it's ok to be queer. You can tell them before then, so that they won't feel scared when they find out.

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LeadPipeCinche posted...

are they maybe disliking the video because the music sucks and not because its a dude in drag.

First day, huh?

Black and brown represent the queer and trans people of color

wtf?

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Figured this was going to be about the Blue's Clues song lol

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sutree posted...

wtf?

which part of that confuses you

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Why are trans people and queer/trans PoC the only groups specifically named in the lyrics even when they immediately say that "every letter in LGBTQ+ is equal"? The other colors on the flag are instead used for bland self-esteem platitudes and shoehorned environmentalism. Highlighting those specific disadvantaged subgroups is fine, but it shouldn't come at the cost of completely omitting mention of the rest of the group.

Why did they cast a drag queen (a culture that celebrates radical artifice and superficiality) to deliver a message about "loving who you are on the inside"?

It's vacuous confusing stuff as you expect from a corporation riding the wave. We should make kids proud of who they are but we should try not to make them dumber.

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I watched the video,

It is a bit much.

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I do wonder if there is anything where even LGBT+ would go "yeah, that's overstating it". Like surely there has to be some limit to what you can do in the name of "pride" before you are overstepping.

I wonder what some such people would think that would be.

Also, idk particularly after adding black and brown, LGBT+ seems more and more like an organization defined by it's omissions.

Like clearly if there was an organization that was like "everybody not named Bob Davidson should take pride in themselves" then the guy named Bob Davidson would be like "Bro, what the fuck?" And sure the organization could be like "that's not meant as an insult Bob" But I mean, I'm sure most of us would understand Bob's position on this.

They are getting pretty close to the point of saying "everybody who is not straight, not cis, or not white (or Asian?) should take pride in themselves"

Am I the only one getting that vibe?

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Drag queens upset people so much for some reason

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HokagoTeaTime posted...

Why are trans people and queer/trans PoC the only groups specifically named in the lyrics even when they immediately say that "every letter in LGBTQ+ is equal"?

because the six colors on a pride rainbow were designed to stand for those things she said they stand for.

And the trans + black segment were added on more recently to specifically include those groups, as an alternative version of the pride flag.

Why did they cast a drag queen to deliver a message about "loving who you are on the inside"?

because drag queens are all about loving who you are on the inside, even though they also enjoy the aesthetic of glam camp (which you mistake for genuine superficiality)

It's vacuous confusing stuff and it's making kids dumber

no it ain't, you just don't get it

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joe40001 posted...

idk particularly after adding black and brown, LGBT+ seems more and more like an organization defined by it's omissions

putting black and brown on the flag doesn't mean black people count as lgbt

it just helps shine light on the specific experiences of black lgbt people. we also use that version of the flag to make black lgbt people feel welcome in the community, to try to combat some of the racism in the lgbt community.

There are many versions of the pride flag, that's just one of them.

It does not mean that black people are now LGBT.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N733Ofj2cVQ

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Wetterdew posted...

putting black and brown on the flag doesn't mean black people count as lgbt

it just helps shine light on the specific experiences of black lgbt people. we also use that version of the flag to make black lgbt people feel welcome in the community, to try to combat some of the racism in the lgbt community.

There are many versions of the pride flag, that's just one of them.

It does not mean that black people are now LGBT.

You sure about that?

Also what's different being a black/brown LGBT versus a non-Black/Brown LGBT?

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joe40001 posted...

I do wonder if there is anything where even LGBT+ would go "yeah, that's overstating it". Like surely there has to be some limit to what you can do in the name of "pride" before you are overstepping.

I wonder what some such people would think that would be.

Also, idk particularly after adding black and brown, LGBT+ seems more and more like an organization defined by it's omissions.

Like clearly if there was an organization that was like "everybody not named Bob Davidson should take pride in themselves" then the guy named Bob Davidson would be like "Bro, what the fuck?" And sure the organization could be like "that's not meant as an insult Bob" But I mean, I'm sure most of us would understand Bob's position on this.

They are getting pretty close to the point of saying "everybody who is not straight, not cis, or not white (or Asian?) should take pride in themselves"

Am I the only one getting that vibe?

Has Bob Davidson historically held down everyone else in the world? Has Bob Davidson always been privileged to have the world accept him?

LGBT people can be imprisoned and killed in half the world and half the people in the other half think LGBT existence is offensive to their religion. 90% of people are straight and cis, and you're here going "idk maybe LGBT pride has gotten out of hand and hurts straight people?"

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joe40001 posted...

You sure about that?

Also what's different being a black/brown LGBT versus a non-Black/Brown LGBT?

Victim rates, for one

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Remember when conservatives got upset over drag queens volunteering to read at the library.

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Didnt watch the video since Im at work (waiting for outlook to load), but a drag queen does seem like an odd choice.

Its very stereotypical and very on-the-nose. Also, kind of inappropriate if, as many of you are saying, they chose to highlight transexuals. Ill watch it later to form a more informed opinion, though.

hockeybub89 posted...

Has Bob Davidson historically held down everyone else in the world? Has Bob Davidson always been privileged to have the world accept him?

LGBT people can be imprisoned and killed in half the world and half the people in the other half think LGBT existence is offensive to their religion. 90% of people are straight and cis, and you're here going "idk maybe LGBT pride has gotten out of hand and hurts straight people?"

Ok, so see for somebody like hockeybub, the implicit reading of the omissions meaning isn't a bug but a feature.

hockeybub, do you feel like LGBT+ as an organization is better when an important fundamental principle of it is being anti-cis/straight/white?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Victim rates, for one

Black people are more likely to be the victims of murder in general, that is not just a trans thing.

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abandon thread

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BabyRoxann posted...

... the original pride flag meant those things. This isn't something they added for the sake of this song.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT)#Origin

Well that's egg on my face, but the core problem is still present and highlighted by the song's description of the "Progress" flag, where the original rainbow colors have only abstract meaning while T/QTPOC get their own explicit colors. That flag has its own meaning which is valuable in certain political contexts, but is it the best roadmap to use when introducing/welcoming kids to the LGBTQ+ umbrella? Why do some of the kids have to settle for poems about nature and healing? Do we need to introduce these kids to the external nuance of intersectionality before they even have a way to describe their own internal experience? How about a more general introduction before we get into political specifics.

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joe40001 posted...

Ok, so see for somebody like hockeybub, the implicit reading of the omissions meaning isn't a bug but a feature.

hockeybub, do you feel like LGBT+ as an organization is better when an important fundamental principle of it is being anti-cis/straight/white?

Is it possible for you to participate in a topic without being a complete and utter fucking wombat?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Drag queens upset people so much for some reason

they break gender norms unapologetically, and revel in it. They act boldly and confidently. The derision people have for gender-nonconforming people bounces right off of drag queens because they revel in breaking the rules and aren't trying to appear "normal" to appease anybody. This upsets some people because they have no "ammo" against drag queens when they realize drag queens don't care if they don't approve of them

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joe40001 posted...

Ok, so see for somebody like hockeybub, the implicit reading of the omissions meaning isn't a bug but a feature.

hockeybub, do you feel like LGBT+ as an organization is better when an important fundamental principle of it is being anti-cis/straight/white?

What is the LGBT+ organization? And no, because what the fuck are you talking about?

Do you find health awareness months to generally be anti-healthy able-bodied people?

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It's utterly bizarre how many guys have a "What about me?!" response to nearly every single thing that has nothing to do with them.

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hockeybub89 posted...

And no, because what the fuck are you talking about?

So would you be ok with pride being more universal? "All races, genders, sexual orientations should take pride in themselves"?

hockeybub89 posted...

Do you find health awareness months to generally be anti-healthy able-bodied people?

No because health messaging seems to be much more universal. Health things will be like "Everybody can be healthy" some pride things are more like "Specifically letter people should be proud"

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joe40001 posted...

Black people are more likely to be the victims of murder in general, that is not just a trans thing.

the rate of violence toward black trans women is more dramatic than what you would expect even taking that into account

On top of the higher violence rates, it's also to welcome black lgbt people who have historically been isolated and subjected to racism even within the lgbt community. There's no harm in making a version of the pride flag that acknowledges and welcomes black people.

personally I like the original six-color flag and I also like the version with the triangles. I think they both look good and I like that both versions exist.

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Darmik posted...

It's utterly bizarre how many guys have a "What about me?!" response to nearly every single thing that has nothing to do with them.

Conservatives have a perpetual victim complex

joe40001 posted...

So would you be ok with pride being more universal? "All races, genders, sexual orientations should take pride in themselves"?

No because health messaging seems to be much more universal. Health things will be like "Everybody can be healthy" some pride things are more like "Specifically letter people should be proud"

Literally "All Lives Matter". Come on, bro.

What they are saying is "We matter too. Despite the historical oppression and best attempts to keep it that way, we are not ashamed of the way we were born."

What you're doing is the equivalent of running into an autism awareness parade and reminding everyone that neurotypical people are humans too.

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Wetterdew posted...

the rate of violence toward black trans women is more dramatic than what you would expect even taking that into account

I don't think that's actually accurate though.

IIRC the average murder rate for black trans is less than the national average murder rate, which is even less than the average murder rate of black cis males.


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BabyRoxann posted...

Is that joe user serious

buckle up

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