Current Events > Football player kills tinder date who was a man, saying they were a woman.

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Umbreon posted...

The status of the victim does nothing to justify their murder. The man who did this is 100% in the wrong, and any attempt to downplay it has transparent intent.

Correct.
cjsdowg posted...

This did was not killed in a hate crime. He was not killed because he was gay. He was killed because he tricked someone. He should not have been killed (full stop). But this is not an was not attack on the community. This was attack on a person because he didn't care about the sexual preferences of someone else.

How do we know the killer didn't initiate everything? Don't blame or accuse the deceased of things based on mere assumption.

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gunplagirl posted...

How do we know the killer didn't initiate everything? Don't blame or accuse the deceased of things based on mere assumption.

So you think this had relations with this guy willingly, then out of a rage for guy people he killed him? That does not add up GG

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cjsdowg posted...

That does not add up GG

Neither does killing someone for having a dick but here we are.

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gunplagirl posted...

Your feelings are valid. Why is it so hard for you to realize other people's feelings for other things are also valid? I've had at least a dozen friends die over the years because of hate crimes, medical abuse, and suicide as a result of a lifetime of mistreatment. Of course I'm going to get upset when someone LGBT gets murdered for being LGBT.

By all rights, I should have been the one to tell you to shove off earlier.

Know what I'm not going to do? Deny the validity or right for you to be upset. Because I'm not some sort of emotional manipulator.

Because it wasnt a hate crime. And you misinterpreted my emotional comment. Fucking shocker from someone who thinks its ok to bring up a dead gf thats still fucking fresh.

He didnt kill the guy because he was gay. He killed him for being catfished. The victim happened to be part of the LGBTQ+ community, but that doesnt mean he was killed for that. Thats why I said youre emotional. I didnt say you couldnt be emotional. I didnt say you couldnt have emotions.

Like I said earlier; go fuck your self for equating what happened here to what happened to me. Youre a piece of shit for bringing that up. Full stop. You literally have no moral ground to stand on. Fuck you.
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can gunplagirl get banned already

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Who the fuck said that LGBTQ+ people need to post a manifesto before engaging in sexual relations.

How hard is it to tell someone "hey, I'm actually a male and just used female pictures and a female name to get you to come over. do you still want to do this?" the first time it happens. Fuck, if the kid beat the shit out of him the first time, especially after doing something like that, throw the book at the kid. That's an actual hate crime.

But when someone gets told "hey this is a female that's been contacting you since you got on campus and that it was a female who engaged in this sexual act" and then you find out it wasn't, that's scarring, no matter how you feel about LGBTQ+ people. I feel like a supporter of their rights and I believe in their equality and in marriage and whatnot, and I'd still be pretty upset if someone said they were one thing and then actually was another. And let's say the shoe was on the other foot and the football player expected it to be a male and the person was a female? It's the same situation in that it's rape by deception, even if there's no rape by deception/fraud laws in that state.

Again it's a sad story that elicits an incredibly strong emotional response in a lot of people because the victim in the assault was a member of the LGBTQ+ community. But that doesn't mean you can write away anything that person did to put themselves in that situation (and no, that's not equating what he did to "wearing slutty clothes and the whole 'they were asking for it' bullshit. the guy knew what he was doing if he was catfishing people) and that they did no wrong.

tl;dr - he didn't kill the person because the person was gay. He killed them because he was deceived and he panicked and created a shitty situation. He deserves punishment for what he did, but it's not a hate crime just because the victim happens to be gay and the kid doesn't deserve the death penalty in any capacity or to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

This is the last post I'm gonna make in this topic because CE refuses to not be emotional in topics like this and people refuse to read all of someones post and just get outraged at snippets.

Or the guy could have not catfished someone.

I don't know why that's allowed for an LGBTQ+ person.

If the sexual preferences were switched in this situation (victim is cis, attacker is LGBTQ+), I'd have the same stance. Victim didn't deserve to get attacked, attacker deserves some punishment but not the entire book thrown at them. I'd argue most of CE wouldn't have the same reaction though. I'd argue you guys wouldn't be as angry at the attacker and wouldn't be as sympathetic to the victim.

Catfishing is rarely a crime. Whether or not you are lgbt. I have no clue why you think it's a lgbt thing. I once got catfished by some 60 years old man on Grindr who pretended to be 25 years old with a fake picture. I was pissed off, but I didn't kill him. He was definitely in the wrong, but if I became violent despite his morally questionable behaviour
That would still be on me.
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Unknown5uspect posted...

Neither does killing someone for having a dick but here we are.

From the information that we had, that isn't what happened. He wasn't kill just because he was gay. From the information that we thus far he was killed because he catfished the guy. Once more that is wrong and should not have happen.

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cjsdowg posted...

From the information that we had, that isn't what happened. He wasn't kill just because he was gay. From the information that we thus far he was killed because he catfished the guy. Once more that is wrong and should not have happen.

Do you genuinely believe that if this guy was catfished by an older woman pretending to be a young woman he would have beaten her to death?

Tenlaar posted...

Do you genuinely believe that if this guy was catfished by an older woman pretending to be a young woman he would have beaten her to death?

Do you believe that this guy randomly goes around beating people to death ?


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cjsdowg posted...

Do you believe that this guy randomly goes around beating people to death ?

No, I don't. Now can you actually answer the question?

epik_fail1 posted...

That would still be on me.

Thats why Ive consistently said the attacker deserves some sort of punishment and event suggested at least manslaughter.

But no one wants to see that, they just want to bring up unrelated shit (like my dead gf) to this and then put literally all the blame on the kid. He deserves blame for sure, over 50% of it too, but the victim isnt blameless in this situation. You just cant say that because of the group they attribute to is a persecuted group.
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Perhaps having your deceased girlfriend brought up(Sorry for your loss btw) was a step too far.

Those feelings you felt however, are likely very similar to what LGBTQ+ people feel everytime someone attempts to downplay one of them being murdered.

You claim the victim 'catfished' the murderer, but isn't that claim from the murderer alone? Yes you said that they didn't deserve to be killed... but in a way that was subtly placing some of the blame on the victim. This is a tactic commonly used by anti LGBTQ folks, though I'm not saying you are included in that.

By saying "he panicked", you're lifting blame off of the murderer. You're saying they couldn't control themselves, when they 100% choose to violently murder someone.

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cjsdowg posted...

From the information that we thus far he was killed because he catfished the guy.

So he killed him for having a dick thanks for agreeing with me.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

the victim isnt blameless in this situation.

You realize this is saying "They deserved to be murdered..." in the end?


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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Thats why Ive consistently said the attacker deserves some sort of punishment and event suggested at least manslaughter.

But no one wants to see that, they just want to bring up unrelated shit (like my dead gf) to this and then put literally all the blame on the kid. He deserves blame for sure, over 50% of it too, but the victim isnt blameless in this situation. You just cant say that because of the group they attribute to is a persecuted group.

I mean... being mad is that person didn't disclose his/her? Biological sex is one thing. Killing that person is another. Also the problem is that catfishing law would be very hard to implement. Some 44 years old lie about being 39. Would it be criminal under those hypothetical laws?
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Unknown5uspect posted...

So he killed him for having a dick thanks for agreeing with me.

I didn't agree with shit. If a man is slapped by women and he doesn't hit her back , and slapped by a man and does hit them back. Did he hit someone because he had dick ?

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cjsdowg posted...

He wouldn't. And your point ?

If you think he would not beat a woman who catfished him pretending to be a woman to death but would beat a gay man who catfished him pretending to be a woman to death then how can you argue that the catfishing element was all that motivated the violence and not specifically that he was catfished by a gay man?

Tenlaar posted...

If you think he would not beat a woman who catfished him pretending to be a woman to death but would beat a gay man who catfished him pretending to be a woman to death then how can you argue that the catfishing element was all that motivated the violence and not specifically that he was catfished by a gay man?

What if the attacker was LGBTQ+ and the victim was cis. Would that be a hate crime? Would he have done it because of their orientation?

No. He did it because he was deceived and wouldnt have given consent in that scenario. The different age but same preferred sex argument is moot because theyd likely give consent in that scenario. Even if they didnt, its still not a reason to use their face as your personal punching bag.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

He did it because he was deceived

He wouldn't have done it if there wasn't a dick involved that wasn't his.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

The different age but same preferred sex argument is moot because theyd likely give consent in that scenario.

Oh so this deception is okay. But not when there's penis.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

What if the attacker was LGBTQ+ and the victim was cis. Would that be a hate crime? Would he have done it because of their orientation?

If the attacker would not have reacted that way to an LGBT person but did react that way to a non-LGBT person then yes, the person being non-LGBT would clearly be a deciding factor.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

What if the attacker was LGBTQ+ and the victim was cis. Would that be a hate crime? Would he have done it because of their orientation?

No. He did it because he was deceived and wouldnt have given consent in that scenario. The different age but same preferred sex argument is moot because theyd likely give consent in that scenario. Even if they didnt, its still not a reason to use their face as your personal punching bag.

No I consented to meet a 25 years old guy in that scenario. I did not want to meet somebody that could be my grandfather. I definitely didn't give consent in my case.
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Yikes, that can be traumatic. Being a straight male, finding a "supposed" woman online, meeting up for sex, then AFTER the fact discovering that your sexual partner has been a male the whole time. I can see someone snapping from that. Not condoning killing someone over it though.

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Unknown5uspect posted...

He wouldn't have done it if there wasn't a dick involved that wasn't his.

Oh so this deception is okay. But not when there's penis.

comparing those 2 things is completely ignorant. Unless it involves them being of illegal age. One is a crime in most states and one is not. I get the point but thats a shit comparison.

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Killing him was too far but why are so many people condoning rape by deception?

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undefined posted...

Oh, and sktgamer, if I recall, weren't you the CEman who had a girlfriend pass away? Did anyone tell you not to get emotional over it? No, probably not, because they had some basic degree of empathy.

Who the fuck says shit like this? Stay on the internet to socially interact for now. You'll get there one day!

Question. If a woman says she's 135 and we have sex but she was actually 165 and I murder her, how much of the blame falls on her?

30-40%? I mean, she did catfish me on this hypothetical...

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CultOfPcnality posted...

One is a crime in most states and one is not.

This is a complete fabrication.

CultOfPcnality posted...

comparing those 2 things is completely ignorant. Unless it involves them being of illegal age. One is a crime in most states and one is not. I get the point but thats a shit comparison.

A guy I know went to California and met a girl there who told him she was 19(he was 21), but she was actually 17. He almost went to prison for this. He is extremely lucky they dropped the case, but he has kept screenshots of the lie. You probably should ask for IDs when meeting someone online I think.

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It doesn't matter what happened beforehand

To BRUTALLY HURT SOMEONE and then you LEAVE THEM TO DIE mean you get no sympathy, no matter what happened

Just fucking kill this animal

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Umbreon posted...

Question. If a woman says she's 135 and we have sex but she was actually 165 and I murder her, how much of the blame falls on her?

30-40%? I mean, she did catfish me on this hypothetical...

I mean... they are kinda supposed to be already dead at that age. Not sure how the law would work when it comes to this.
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epik_fail1 posted...

I mean... they are kinda supposed to be already dead at that age. Not sure how the law would work when it comes to this.

Not if she's a short woman(Unless I googled wrong)

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gunplagirl posted...

Oh, and sktgamer, if I recall, weren't you the CEman who had a girlfriend pass away? Did anyone tell you not to get emotional over it? No, probably not, because they had some basic degree of empathy.

..... wow. what a fucking shitty thing to say. like, i get you're hyper emotional over this, but, damn, that was uncalled for.

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Tenlaar posted...

If you think he would not beat a woman who catfished him pretending to be a woman to death but would beat a gay man who catfished him pretending to be a woman to death then how can you argue that the catfishing element was all that motivated the violence and not specifically that he was catfished by a gay man?

@cjsdowg why did you delete your post acknowledging that he wouldn't have beaten a woman to death and bounce?

This will probably be 2nd degree murder.

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EbonTitanium posted...

This will probably be 2nd degree murder.

That's what he got charged with

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SO it seems that sexual preferences means nothing of you are Cishet.

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cjsdowg posted...

SO it seems that sexual preferences means nothing of you are Cishet.

Well that's not an answer for why you posted that you don't believe the guy would have murdered a woman who catfished him and then deleted it.

Fucking CE. This topic has left me disgusted with basically everyone.

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cjsdowg posted...

SO it seems that sexual preferences means nothing of you are Cishet.

What does this have to do with the 100% unjustified murder?

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cjsdowg posted...

SO it seems that sexual preferences means nothing of you are Cishet.

No, that just means you can't kill somebody over them or that's gay/trans panic. It's been explained every which way. If you are violent towards someone due to their or your sexuality or sexual preferences, that's bad.

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Tenlaar posted...

@cjsdowg why did you delete your post acknowledging that he wouldn't have beaten a woman to death and bounce?

I mistaking thought I was talking to the You when I was talking to Unknown.

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Anyone saying "the victim tricked people" make me fucking sick.

Even if a woman has a penis, is she just supposed to not talk to anyone ever?

Do you tell all your business to people before a first date?

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cjsdowg posted...

SO it seems that sexual preferences means nothing of you are Cishet.

Oh okay so it's because the football player was straight and because the other guy had a dick.

Not sure why you want to keep arguing what was literally reported to have happened.

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legendary_zell posted...

No, that just means you can't kill somebody over them or that's gay/trans panic. It's been explained every which way. If you are violent towards someone due to their or your sexuality or sexual preferences, that's bad.

No one is saying that you should be able to kill someone for being gay. People are saying that he was not killed for being gay. But (from what has been suggested) that he was killed because he trick to someone into something that he otherwise would not have given consent for. Who here as said that football player should get off ?

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BlueTigerLion posted...

Death penalty

Robot2600 posted...

Anyone saying "the victim tricked people" make me fucking sick.

Even if a woman has a penis, is she just supposed to not talk to anyone ever?

Do you tell all your business to people before a first date?

1. He is being reported that he is not women, but a gay man.
2. If it is something that might change consent of the other person I would tell them.

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Robot2600 posted...

Do you tell all your business to people before a first date?

This wasn't a "first date," it was specifically a pre-arranged sexual encounter.

Robot2600 posted...

Anyone saying "the victim tricked people" make me fucking sick.

Even if a woman has a penis, is she just supposed to not talk to anyone ever?

Do you tell all your business to people before a first date?

People on Grindr litterally asked for height, weight and dick size after 3 seconds.

But honestly I do believing disclosing what kind of genitals you have should be a thing. However, if that person does not tell you, it doesn't justify murder.
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metallica846 posted...

Have some empathy.....*brings up dead girlfriend*

That was an incredibly fucked up post. If I was sktgamer, my account would be banned rn for the response Id give to that post. Props to him for being able to keep a level head.

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