Current Events > As a recruiter, it's crazy to see how the market is shifting

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@Cleo_II
Any specific I could do to help my odds for a remote job?

Go on Indeed and search for the position you want. Then in location type remote and youll see tons of posting. Look up companies that are hiring remote workers too and look up their company websites for any open positions.

Just doing a quick search I was able to find a list of companies that are now hiring fully remotely:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.remotive.io/remote-companies/amp/

Dang just like that, I've been away from normal jobs for too long. I appreciate it.

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Darmik posted...

I work in a mortgage processing company and I specifically use their old ass legacy systems to do all sorts of processing but I have no idea how these skills would progress to somewhere else that would be any better.

I nearly moved to some mortgage start up and they offered higher pay but they also wanted me to work late and I thought nah not worth it.

So dunno what to do really. I feel very stagnant and the pay isn't great here but it's a very easy job and I can work from home half of the time and it's scary to risk losing that. I'd love to work for an IT company or in IT but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm tempted to look into coding but I dunno if I have the right mind or work ethic for it. I just wanna do a job, go home and be done with it.

Thats for you to decide. I made the choice to get into agency recruiting and do the grind for a year to get the skills I needed. It was very tough work and extremely stressful. Then I left for an easier job but the skills helped me make a career for myself so it was worth that year of crap work. So up to you if you want to take the risk or not. If youre happy where youre at and dont want to push further, theres nothing wrong with that either. Its nice to be comfortable too.

Any need for a dotnet developer with about 5 years experience including a brief stint in management? I'm not actually looking for a new job but the numbers you're taking are way more than locals are willing to pitch for me

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How much are they offering data analysts? That might be feasible rather than shooting for data scientist.

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

What can I even do in tech with no college degree or no tech qualifications whatsoever?

Getting a degree is expensive but look into potentially getting an associates at a cc or somewhere that offers it. Getting certifications can also be much cheaper but I'm not sure how far you can get with just those. They're still a good starting point though and will show employers that you do have the specific skills needed.

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warlock7735 posted...

Any need for a dotnet developer with about 5 years experience including a brief stint in management? I'm not actually looking for a new job but the numbers you're taking are way more than locals are willing to pitch for me

Im on leave but generally would look for Java software engineers that work on scalable/distributed systems. My hiring teams are generally open to C# folks because the syntax is similar enough but they need the at scale piece too. So it depends on what kinds of applications or platforms youre working on.

Id point you to our careers page to take a look but cant disclose my employer lol. Happy to take a look at your resume if you like and give some pointers though if you want to PM it to me (you can remove your name, etc for privacy)

berlyman101 posted...

How much are they offering data analysts? That might be feasible rather than shooting for data scientist.

The last offer I made to a senior analyst was $130k base salary, 10% bonus and $15k sign on

Junior/Mid would be in the 90-115k range.

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Getting a degree is expensive but look into potentially getting an associates at a cc or somewhere that offers it. Getting certifications can also be much cheaper but I'm not sure how far you can get with just those. They're still a good starting point though and will show employers that you do have the specific skills needed.

Yup my husband is working towards an associate degree and some cloud certifications. Though he has IT experience it was mostly desktop support stuff. Then he got a Linux certification and it bumped up his career quite a bit. Now hes added coding and looking at the cloud certs I mentioned. With no degree. Hes been doing well for himself but he learned everything on his own and it was a lot of work.

Cleo_II posted...

Yeah TPMs are pretty tough to fill these days. Were in the same boat with having a new baby. Not ideal timing but I wasnt looking and cant turn down the opportunities if it means that much more money. Plus I was not wanting to go back to my company anyway

Just curious - what kind of salaries are you seeing on the product manager side lately?
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Cleo_II posted...

The last offer I made to a senior analyst was $130k base salary, 10% bonus and $15k sign on

Junior/Mid would be in the 90-115k range.

Yup my husband is working towards an associate degree and some cloud certifications. Though he has IT experience it was mostly desktop support stuff. Then he got a Linux certification and it bumped up his career quite a bit. Now hes added coding and looking at the cloud certs I mentioned. With no degree. Hes been doing well for himself but he learned everything on his own and it was a lot of work.

These salaries in what part of the country?

Cleo_II posted...

What do you do? What do you want to get into?

I am currently a "Contracts Supervisor" but really what I am doing is strategic sourcing, creating state-wide master contracts.
I've got 8 years of management experience (6 years purchasing / contracting supervision, 2 years engineering supervision), 6 years contracts experience, 2 years buying experience.

I currently work for the state so I knowingly get paid like half of what I am worth, last time I applied somewhere and ended up getting an offer was last March, got an offer that was $180k salary, $40k signing bonus, $40k in performance based bonuses for a Director of Purchasing at a temporary labor company.

I don't know what I want to do. I want something much lower stress. I want work that can only be done while at work so I don't spend my nights and weekends second guessing shit. The problem with contracts is 100% of contracts can be improved, its just a matter of how much knowledge you have going in.

So I am trying to explore completely new paths. Become a mechanic, do a few years at a shop, start my mobile mechanic business. Or become a cabinet maker, I think I have that skillset already, just need to refine it.

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g980 posted...

Just curious - what kind of salaries are you seeing on the product manager side lately?

Its been a little while since I worked on those but I think around 140-160k for seniors

The X Dawg posted...

These salaries in what part of the country?

Southern California

KILBOTz posted...

I am currently a "Contracts Supervisor" but really what I am doing is strategic sourcing, creating state-wide master contracts.
I've got 8 years of management experience (6 years purchasing / contracting supervision, 2 years engineering supervision), 6 years contracts experience, 2 years buying experience.

I currently work for the state so I knowingly get paid like half of what I am worth, last time I applied somewhere and ended up getting an offer was last March, got an offer that was $180k salary, $40k signing bonus, $40k in performance based bonuses for a Director of Purchasing at a temporary labor company.

I don't know what I want to do. I want something much lower stress. I want work that can only be done while at work so I don't spend my nights and weekends second guessing shit. The problem with contracts is 100% of contracts can be improved, its just a matter of how much knowledge you have going in.

So I am trying to explore completely new paths. Become a mechanic, do a few years at a shop, start my mobile mechanic business. Or become a cabinet maker, I think I have that skillset already, just need to refine it.

Did you take the offer or turn it down? Thats a damn good offer! But yeah more money means more stress. One of the companies Im talking to has the highest earning potential but its very stressful and not as healthy work life balance as I have now so I dont know how I feel about it yet. If its crazy enough of a jump I might consider it and do 2-3 years and then jump to something less stressful once Ive made a lot of money. But hard to think of that when I also have a newborn. I guess Ill see, that would depend on if they even want to make an offer and they are picky.

I turned it down. I made enough early in my career and invested it smart enough I won't accept an offer if money is the only thing a job has to offer, and this job just seemed high stress with only a good paycheck in offer.

My ideal sort of job is one that is outdoors most of the time but not physically demanding work. Let's me walk a lot, doesn't have to deal with john q public all the time and makes at least $60k. I'm open to going back to school, just need to figure out what path I actually want to take.

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What markets are best right now?

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DarkProto05 posted...

What markets are best right now?

Cybersecurity and analytics imo. People operations is big now too because companies want to scale but need folks to actually hire and create processes to do so.

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Dont we all? Its just a matter of if we can afford to be or not

Jesus you all making money. I'm in school in algebra pre requisite. For a stem program. Im a supervisor for a minimum wage job. Would absolutely love a good paying desk job. Would love for my 30's to be a LOT better than my 20's.
Been finding the drive hard with how much money I have to invest in school, and the years it takes to get a bachelors.
I feel like a slave.

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@AzNDarkSamurai posted...

What can I even do in tech with no college degree or no tech qualifications whatsoever?

Go into biotech, start in manufacturing and work up. Even manufacturing temps are being pulled in at $21 right now.

This of course depends on you having any biotech around you but its a very good time to jump in if youre interested.

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CountDog posted...

Jesus you all making money. I'm in school in algebra pre requisite. For a stem program. Im a supervisor for a minimum wage job. Would absolutely love a good paying desk job. Would love for my 30's to be a LOT better than my 20's.
Been finding the drive hard with how much money I have to invest in school, and the years it takes to get a bachelors.
I feel like a slave.

I can totally relate. I worked so hard for my degree too. I didnt really start making money until I hit 30 and changed my career. I was stagnating before that and hated my field so much. I had to think of what my skills were and where I could apply them to make more. I took a big risk. My husband wasnt on board at all initially but I turned his opinion around when I went from $65k a year to $100k the next. Its not just about working hard but working smart. I knew engineering wasnt for me and that I was good with people, so I became a tech recruiter instead. Again it was a risk because I had no idea if I would be good and I started off totally commission based.

Just set small goals for yourself and work on achieving one at a time and you will get there. My 20s sucked but my 30s have been amazing.

Yeah I do software support and have to do everything under the sun, its bullshit

I want to quit