Poll of the Day > 'This is really, really bad': scientists on the scorching US heatwave

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FrndNhbrHdCEman 06/18/21 1:07:51 PM #1:	Potentially the worst drought in 1,200 years: scientists on the scorching US heatwave https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/18/us-heatwave-west-climate-crisis-drought The heatwave gripping the US west is simultaneously breaking hundreds of temperature records, exacerbating a historic drought and priming the landscape for a summer and fall of extreme wildfire. Salt Lake City hit a record-breaking 107F (42C), while in Texas and California, power grid operators are asking residents to conserve energy to avoid rolling blackouts and outages. And all this before weve even reached the hottest part of the summer. Among the 40 million Americans enduring the triple-digit temperatures are scientists who study droughts and the climate. Theyd long forewarned of this crisis, and now theyre living through it. The Guardian spoke with researchers across the west about how theyre coping. I feel a little bit lucky because Im in Orange county, relatively close to the coast so the temperatures are not as severe here as they are in other parts of California and the west. Im worried about this summer this doesnt bode well, in terms of what we can expect with wildfire and the worsening drought. This current drought is potentially on track to become the worst that weve seen in at least 1,200 years. And the reason is linked directly to human caused climate change. As a paleoclimatologist my main point, always, is that we are able to look into the past. By looking at tree rings and other paleoclimate records, were able to gain really important perspectives about how climate has varied and changed in the past. And having done that, its clear that what were experiencing now is not natural. This is undoubtedly being caused by human activities, by greenhouse gas emissions. The more we see these extreme events, piled on top of each other, and not just in the western US but globally, the more I think the reality of climate change becomes inescapable. And it feels absolutely overwhelming and sad. We are going to have less water, increased wildfires and more extreme heatwaves. But its also motivating. We need to continue to push for urgent action on climate change This is really, really bad. Here on the eastern side of the Rockies, here in Boulder, were seeing record high temperatures. Thats the case in other parts of the state and in other states. And were seeing smoke plumes not from local fires but from fires in Arizona and Utah. I think for a lot of people, its traumatic. The fires we saw in the last couple of years were really awful, and this year it seems like were on that same trajectory. It kind of feels like deja vu. It does get rough sometime talking about these things year after year. I live in the west, and all my family, pretty much, lives in the west. Most of my friends live in the west. Its where I grew up, and seeing the landscape-scale transformations that are happening here, and seeing how its affecting people is overwhelming sometimes. But actually to me, the most distressing part is that this is very much in line with predictions. Climate scientists have been repeating essentially the same messages and warnings since before I was born. Climate change is a major contributor to, if not the dominant factor, in a lot of the changes that were seeing out west and elsewhere. And it just is going to keep getting worse unless we do something about it. And so far, you know, we have yet to do the kinds of things, on a large enough scale, that are actually going to make a meaningful difference. The extreme heat and the wildfires arent surprising. But it is just surreal to see what you only ever saw before in your research studies and models, actually happening in real life. And youre almost dumbfounded by the speed at which your projections have become reality. Climate change is loading the weather dice against us. We always have a chance of rolling a double six naturally, and getting an intense record breaking summer heatwave. But decade by decade as the world warms, its as if climate change is sneaking in and taking one of those numbers on the dice and turning it into another six, and then another six. And maybe even a seven. So we are seeing that heatwaves are coming earlier in the year, they are longer, they are stronger. Still, public opinion data shows that theres a disconnect, where even though about 72% of people in the US say global warming is happening, only 40% say that they think that it will affect them directly. But we actually did a recent study, looking at climate and weather extremes and we found that really hot, dry conditions are the only thing that most people in the US directly connect to climate change. So right now is a really important time for scientists to communicate with the public that climate change is here, and climate action matters. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:955169695] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Potentially the worst drought in 1,200 years: scientists on the scorching US heatwave https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/18/us-heatwave-west-climate-crisis-drought <quote>The heatwave gripping the US west is simultaneously breaking hundreds of temperature records, exacerbating a historic drought and priming the landscape for a summer and fall of extreme wildfire. Salt Lake City hit a record-breaking 107F (42C), while in Texas and California, power grid operators are asking residents to conserve energy to avoid rolling blackouts and outages. And all this before weve even reached the hottest part of the summer. Among the 40 million Americans enduring the triple-digit temperatures are scientists who study droughts and the climate. Theyd long forewarned of this crisis, and now theyre living through it. The Guardian spoke with researchers across the west about how theyre coping. I feel a little bit lucky because Im in Orange county, relatively close to the coast so the temperatures are not as severe here as they are in other parts of California and the west. Im worried about this summer this doesnt bode well, in terms of what we can expect with wildfire and the worsening drought. This current drought is potentially on track to become the worst that weve seen in at least 1,200 years. And the reason is linked directly to human caused climate change. As a paleoclimatologist my main point, always, is that we are able to look into the past. By looking at tree rings and other paleoclimate records, were able to gain really important perspectives about how climate has varied and changed in the past. And having done that, its clear that what were experiencing now is not natural. This is undoubtedly being caused by human activities, by greenhouse gas emissions. The more we see these extreme events, piled on top of each other, and not just in the western US but globally, the more I think the reality of climate change becomes inescapable. And it feels absolutely overwhelming and sad. We are going to have less water, increased wildfires and more extreme heatwaves. But its also motivating. We need to continue to push for urgent action on climate change This is really, really bad. Here on the eastern side of the Rockies, here in Boulder, were seeing record high temperatures. Thats the case in other parts of the state and in other states. And were seeing smoke plumes not from local fires but from fires in Arizona and Utah. I think for a lot of people, its traumatic. The fires we saw in the last couple of years were really awful, and this year it seems like were on that same trajectory. It kind of feels like deja vu. It does get rough sometime talking about these things year after year. I live in the west, and all my family, pretty much, lives in the west. Most of my friends live in the west. Its where I grew up, and seeing the landscape-scale transformations that are happening here, and seeing how its affecting people is overwhelming sometimes. But actually to me, the most distressing part is that this is very much in line with predictions. Climate scientists have been repeating essentially the same messages and warnings since before I was born. Climate change is a major contributor to, if not the dominant factor, in a lot of the changes that were seeing out west and elsewhere. And it just is going to keep getting worse unless we do something about it. And so far, you know, we have yet to do the kinds of things, on a large enough scale, that are actually going to make a meaningful difference. The extreme heat and the wildfires arent surprising. But it is just surreal to see what you only ever saw before in your research studies and models, actually happening in real life. And youre almost dumbfounded by the speed at which your projections have become reality. Climate change is loading the weather dice against us. We always have a chance of rolling a double six naturally, and getting an intense record breaking summer heatwave. But decade by decade as the world warms, its as if climate change is sneaking in and taking one of those numbers on the dice and turning it into another six, and then another six. And maybe even a seven. So we are seeing that heatwaves are coming earlier in the year, they are longer, they are stronger. Still, public opinion data shows that theres a disconnect, where even though about 72% of people in the US say global warming is happening, only 40% say that they think that it will affect them directly. But we actually did a recent study, looking at climate and weather extremes and we found that really hot, dry conditions are the only thing that most people in the US directly connect to climate change. So right now is a really important time for scientists to communicate with the public that climate change is here, and climate action matters.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/18/21 1:08:34 PM #2:	It's already 115+ here and it's only mid June. We are in for a seriously difficult summer. --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:955169720] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>It's already 115+ here and it's only mid June. We are in for a seriously difficult summer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 06/18/21 1:09:08 PM #3:	As a meteorologist, of course this isnt a surprise. The warming climate is making these dry, hot periods even drier and hotter. Since were in a drought, we dont really have much moisture in the soil. And without that moisture, the sun really heats up the ground and the air much faster. So, really what were seeing in the south-west is, the ground is burning like a hotplate. And were standing on it. But you know, I actually feel kind of optimistic. In the restaurants and beer houses right now, everybody is talking about the weather, and how hot it is. And a few of them will even comment, This is the new normal. And I mean were in Utah! Whatever people believe in, they know its really hot, and the climate is changing and they dont like that. These compounding extreme weather events are really bad but theyre going to keep happening, no matter what. Maybe if theres some good to come out of it, its that people are becoming more aware. And the sooner the general public starts to become aware of this issue, the sooner, hopefully, theyll push for changes to address the crisis. So actually, if you saw me walking around outside this week, I probably had a smile on my face as I listened to some of these conversations. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:955169739] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote><quote>As a meteorologist, of course this isnt a surprise. The warming climate is making these dry, hot periods even drier and hotter. Since were in a drought, we dont really have much moisture in the soil. And without that moisture, the sun really heats up the ground and the air much faster. So, really what were seeing in the south-west is, the ground is burning like a hotplate. And were standing on it. But you know, I actually feel kind of optimistic. In the restaurants and beer houses right now, everybody is talking about the weather, and how hot it is. And a few of them will even comment, This is the new normal. And I mean were in Utah! Whatever people believe in, they know its really hot, and the climate is changing and they dont like that. These compounding extreme weather events are really bad but theyre going to keep happening, no matter what. Maybe if theres some good to come out of it, its that people are becoming more aware. And the sooner the general public starts to become aware of this issue, the sooner, hopefully, theyll push for changes to address the crisis. So actually, if you saw me walking around outside this week, I probably had a smile on my face as I listened to some of these conversations.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArvTheGreat 06/18/21 1:09:36 PM #4:	It gets hot it gets cold they are just using this as bait --- Things are about to get arvified <cite>ArvTheGreat posted [p:955169752] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>It gets hot it gets cold they are just using this as bait </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 06/18/21 1:10:15 PM #5:	Jen0125 posted... It's already 115+ here and it's only mid June. We are in for a seriously difficult summer. Omg. That sounds unbearable. Youd cook going outside! --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:955169785] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>It's already 115+ here and it's only mid June. We are in for a seriously difficult summer.</quote>Omg. That sounds unbearable. Youd cook going outside! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 06/18/21 1:10:32 PM #6:	every year in the last 100 years as been within 5 years of a new hottest year on record. ...but climate change fake, right? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:955169795] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>every year in the last 100 years as been within 5 years of a new hottest year on record. ...but climate change fake, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 06/18/21 1:11:31 PM #7:	ArvTheGreat posted... It gets hot it gets cold they are just using this as bait smacks Arv on the nose with a newspaper --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:955169836] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>ArvTheGreat posted... </cite> <quote>It gets hot it gets cold they are just using this as bait</quote>smacks Arv on the nose with a newspaper </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArvTheGreat 06/18/21 1:12:01 PM #8:	FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... smacks Arv on the nose with a newspaper Assault --- Things are about to get arvified <cite>ArvTheGreat posted [p:955169865] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... </cite> <quote>smacks Arv on the nose with a newspaper</quote>Assault </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 06/18/21 1:17:07 PM #9:	Lokarin posted... every year in the last 100 years as been within 5 years of a new hottest year on record. ...but climate change fake, right? I can remember Zeus arguing it was fake. P sure he was trolling though. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:955170058] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>every year in the last 100 years as been within 5 years of a new hottest year on record. ...but climate change fake, right?</quote>I can remember Zeus arguing it was fake. P sure he was trolling though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 06/18/21 1:23:24 PM #10:	I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4 --- I'm actually really enjoying GodFall. <cite>HornedLion posted [p:955170303] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 06/18/21 1:35:38 PM #11:	https://i.imgur.com/Z3PfRnO.png --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:955170715] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>https://i.imgur.com/Z3PfRnO.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrPrimemaster 06/18/21 1:45:55 PM #12:	Jen what is your electric bill like? Does anyone use that sand evaporation thing to cool down? I've heard using that works in places like Arizona. --- Metroids Suck <cite>DrPrimemaster posted [p:955171080] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Jen what is your electric bill like? Does anyone use that sand evaporation thing to cool down? I've heard using that works in places like Arizona. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 06/18/21 2:04:38 PM #13:	HornedLion posted... I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4 Wtf did I just watch? --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:955171684] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4</quote>Wtf did I just watch? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/18/21 2:05:32 PM #14:	DrPrimemaster posted... Jen what is your electric bill like? Does anyone use that sand evaporation thing to cool down? I've heard using that works in places like Arizona. I'm not sure I don't pay that bill but we have a new build and a brand new a/c unit so the one bill I did see for like March was $35. I haven't heard of that. --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:955171710] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>DrPrimemaster posted... </cite> <quote>Jen what is your electric bill like? Does anyone use that sand evaporation thing to cool down? I've heard using that works in places like Arizona.</quote> I'm not sure I don't pay that bill but we have a new build and a brand new a/c unit so the one bill I did see for like March was $35. I haven't heard of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 06/18/21 2:07:08 PM #15:	Damn that sucks, and I thought 90s in late may/early June were bad We'll probably get to that point in july/August so I'm not looking forward to that --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:955171765] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Damn that sucks, and I thought 90s in late may/early June were bad We'll probably get to that point in july/August so I'm not looking forward to that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 06/18/21 3:38:09 PM #16:	It was 105F in Omaha yesterday. Last time it got that hot anytime in the month of June was in 1953. We're also at less than half our usual rainfall for the year, and that's after a near record winter. --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:955174700] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>It was 105F in Omaha yesterday. Last time it got that hot anytime in the month of June was in 1953. We're also at less than half our usual rainfall for the year, and that's after a near record winter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monopoman 06/18/21 3:50:19 PM #17:	Don't worry guys it still snows in winter, so according to our elected Republicans this is all fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8 <cite>Monopoman posted [p:955175090] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Don't worry guys it still snows in winter, so according to our elected Republicans this is all fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 06/18/21 3:57:35 PM #18:	FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... Wtf did I just watch? LMAO! Did you just casually start watching and then end up watching the whole damn thing? Cause thats exactly what happened to me. --- I'm actually really enjoying GodFall. <cite>HornedLion posted [p:955175301] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... </cite> <quote>Wtf did I just watch?</quote> LMAO! Did you just casually start watching and then end up watching the whole damn thing? Cause thats exactly what happened to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/18/21 4:02:00 PM #19:	Monopoman posted... Don't worry guys it still snows in winter, so according to our elected Republicans this is all fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8 I've seen this argument so many times, and it never gets any less astoundingly stupid. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:955175448] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Monopoman posted... </cite> <quote>Don't worry guys it still snows in winter, so according to our elected Republicans this is all fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8</quote> I've seen this argument so many times, and it never gets any less astoundingly stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 06/18/21 4:02:03 PM #20:	Remember back when Futurama joked about Nuclear Winter canceling out the effects of climate change and that they'd just drop a giant ice cube from Hailey's Comet in the ocean every year because it was the largest source of bug-free ice around? I miss those days. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:955175453] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Remember back when Futurama joked about Nuclear Winter canceling out the effects of climate change and that they'd just drop a giant ice cube from Hailey's Comet in the ocean every year because it was the largest source of bug-free ice around? I miss those days. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 06/18/21 4:04:24 PM #21:	We had near record highs yesterday, and in February we had record lows. It got down to -34.2F (-36.8C) Feb 16th, and it hit 106F (41.1F) here yesterday. --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:955175527] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>We had near record highs yesterday, and in February we had record lows. It got down to -34.2F (-36.8C) Feb 16th, and it hit 106F (41.1F) here yesterday. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joemodda 06/18/21 4:05:52 PM #22:	I'm doing my part by driving a hybrid! ~~Humanity's fucked. Might as well hedonistically enjoy our time on this planet while it's not ravaged by fire~~ --- It's not genocide... it's pesticide... <cite>joemodda posted [p:955175580] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>I'm doing my part by driving a hybrid! Humanity's fucked. Might as well hedonistically enjoy our time on this planet while it's not ravaged by fire </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 06/18/21 4:11:23 PM #23:	If only there had been some warning that this would happen --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:955175762] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>If only there had been some warning that this would happen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 06/18/21 6:36:11 PM #24:	maybe dumbasses should have repaired/built reservoirs long ago --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:955180481] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>maybe dumbasses should have repaired/built reservoirs long ago</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 06/18/21 6:37:25 PM #25:	it was 70 degrees today at 2 a.m. --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:955180538] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>it was 70 degrees today at 2 a.m.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 06/18/21 7:12:34 PM #26:	Summer is looking great. --- Resident Evil: Resistance is best Resident Evil. don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:955181772] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Summer is looking great. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 06/18/21 7:19:40 PM #27:	It seems like it was 105 today. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:955182002] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>It seems like it was 105 today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/18/21 7:27:21 PM #28:	It's 117 here rn at 4:30pm --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:955182222] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>It's 117 here rn at 4:30pm </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocDelicious 06/19/21 2:49:43 AM #29:	There's geological evidence that the entire western half of the US goes through a cycle where every few hundred years the entire fucking thing just burns to the ground. We happened to show up during the downtime that happens between these massive fires. We can't stop nature from doing its thing. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:955194933] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>There's geological evidence that the entire western half of the US goes through a cycle where every few hundred years the entire fucking thing just burns to the ground. We happened to show up during the downtime that happens between these massive fires. We can't stop nature from doing its thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JixHedgehog 06/19/21 7:13:19 AM #30:	It was very warm in Disneyland, close to 100 last Monday, it cooled off to low to mid 80s just in time for us to head home where it was 107 :/ --- Not changing my sig until Nintendo announces the Switch XL 1/12/2017 <cite>JixHedgehog posted [p:955197834] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>It was very warm in Disneyland, close to 100 last Monday, it cooled off to low to mid 80s just in time for us to head home where it was 107 :/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 06/19/21 7:27:14 AM #31:	HornedLion posted... I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4 Thank you, @HornedLion . That video was fascinating. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:955197981] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4</quote>Thank you, @HornedLion . That video was fascinating. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 06/19/21 7:59:42 AM #32:	Canada needs to build a wall to keep American Ice Thieves out --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:955198415] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Canada needs to build a wall to keep American Ice Thieves out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kegran 06/19/21 8:25:26 AM #33:	Just want to point out that weather and climate are two different things. Reporting the weather as climate change has always been erroneous. <cite>Kegran posted [p:955198835] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Just want to point out that weather and climate are two different things. Reporting the weather as climate change has always been erroneous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 06/19/21 9:02:26 AM #34:	DocDelicious posted... There's geological evidence that the entire western half of the US goes through a cycle where every few hundred years the entire fucking thing just burns to the ground. We happened to show up during the downtime that happens between these massive fires. We can't stop nature from doing its thing. what a load of nonsense. Wildfires are happening because of the dramatic loss in wildlife so there is nothing eating the dry plant debris which builds up and makes perfect kindling --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:955199465] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>DocDelicious posted... </cite> <quote>There's geological evidence that the entire western half of the US goes through a cycle where every few hundred years the entire fucking thing just burns to the ground. We happened to show up during the downtime that happens between these massive fires. We can't stop nature from doing its thing.</quote> what a load of nonsense. Wildfires are happening because of the dramatic loss in wildlife so there is nothing eating the dry plant debris which builds up and makes perfect kindling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 06/19/21 9:09:44 AM #35:	Mead posted... what a load of nonsense. Wildfires are happening because of the dramatic loss in wildlife so there is nothing eating the dry plant debris which builds up and makes perfect kindling You laugh in the face of prophecy at your own peril. --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:955199605] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>what a load of nonsense. Wildfires are happening because of the dramatic loss in wildlife so there is nothing eating the dry plant debris which builds up and makes perfect kindling</quote>You laugh in the face of prophecy at your own peril. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kegran 06/19/21 9:10:18 AM #36:	Mead posted... Wildfires are happening because of the dramatic loss in wildlife so there is nothing eating the dry plant debris which builds up and makes perfect kindling Wildfires are natural and many coniferous trees require fire to release or germinate their seeds. Australia also gifted much of the western states with Eucalyptus trees which explode in fire (another tree that requires fire to reproduce) every few years. They also drain their reservoirs every October 1st, then proceed to complain about lack of water. <cite>Kegran posted [p:955199613] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Wildfires are happening because of the dramatic loss in wildlife so there is nothing eating the dry plant debris which builds up and makes perfect kindling</quote>Wildfires are natural and many coniferous trees require fire to release or germinate their seeds. Australia also gifted much of the western states with Eucalyptus trees which explode in fire (another tree that requires fire to reproduce) every few years. They also drain their reservoirs every October 1st, then proceed to complain about lack of water. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sodium-chloride 06/19/21 9:44:03 AM #37:	HornedLion posted... I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4 I only watched half of this but it is both fascinating and fucking horrifying. Definitely will watch the rest. Please recommend more things like this lol <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:955200205] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4</quote> I only watched half of this but it is both fascinating and fucking horrifying. Definitely will watch the rest. Please recommend more things like this lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 06/19/21 1:13:18 PM #38:	Its been 22 here since 8am. Thankfully its clouded over. <cite>zebatov posted [p:955205336] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Its been 22 here since 8am. Thankfully its clouded over. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 06/19/21 4:08:58 PM #39:	DocDelicious posted... There's geological evidence that the entire western half of the US goes through a cycle where every few hundred years the entire fucking thing just burns to the ground. We happened to show up during the downtime that happens between these massive fires. We can't stop nature from doing its thing. people used to do controlled burns so wildfires wouldn't be so bad. they were forced to stop doing them... --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:955210215] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>DocDelicious posted...</cite> <quote>There's geological evidence that the entire western half of the US goes through a cycle where every few hundred years the entire fucking thing just burns to the ground. We happened to show up during the downtime that happens between these massive fires. We can't stop nature from doing its thing. </quote> people used to do controlled burns so wildfires wouldn't be so bad. they were forced to stop doing them...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bshwalker 06/19/21 4:48:58 PM #40:	Kegran posted... Wildfires are natural and many coniferous trees require fire to release or germinate their seeds. Australia also gifted much of the western states with Eucalyptus trees which explode in fire (another tree that requires fire to reproduce) every few years. They also drain their reservoirs every October 1st, then proceed to complain about lack of water. True to a point. Last year, a fire in Sequoia National park destroyed 10% of the Sequoias. These trees were thousands of years old. If the intensity of fires toady have been common all along, none of those trees wouldve been that old. It is true that fire is what allows the seeds to sprout. The fire that allows this to happen is a very low, cleansing, fire that burns dense undergrowth (more like a smoldering fire rather than flames) exposes the soil and keeps the trees spaced evenly. I have lived in California for almost my entire life and have regularly visited Sequoia and Yosemite national parks. The changes within those parks, that people like to claim happen on a regular basis, do not occur within one mans lifetime. Glaciers are gone, rivers and lakes are dried up, and large sections of trees are dying. The Joshua tree that used to be in my area by the thousands are gone and are beginning to grow further north in places that they have never grown before. Vegetation that used to only grow in the Palm Springs area and could not exist closer to Los Angeles are now moving on their own towards Los Angeles while Palm Springs is turning into sand. All of these things have occurred within the last 30 years. I could go on and on but the bottom line is that man has interfered with the climate in California and its a fact. I seriously doubt that CA is the only place on the planet that has taken the steps to mess things up. --- Minimum Wage = "I would pay you less, but it's illegal." <cite>bshwalker posted [p:955211265] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Kegran posted... </cite> <quote>Wildfires are natural and many coniferous trees require fire to release or germinate their seeds. Australia also gifted much of the western states with Eucalyptus trees which explode in fire (another tree that requires fire to reproduce) every few years. They also drain their reservoirs every October 1st, then proceed to complain about lack of water.</quote>True to a point. Last year, a fire in Sequoia National park destroyed 10% of the Sequoias. These trees were thousands of years old. If the intensity of fires toady have been common all along, none of those trees wouldve been that old. It is true that fire is what allows the seeds to sprout. The fire that allows this to happen is a very low, cleansing, fire that burns dense undergrowth (more like a smoldering fire rather than flames) exposes the soil and keeps the trees spaced evenly. I have lived in California for almost my entire life and have regularly visited Sequoia and Yosemite national parks. The changes within those parks, that people like to claim happen on a regular basis, do not occur within one mans lifetime. Glaciers are gone, rivers and lakes are dried up, and large sections of trees are dying. The Joshua tree that used to be in my area by the thousands are gone and are beginning to grow further north in places that they have never grown before. Vegetation that used to only grow in the Palm Springs area and could not exist closer to Los Angeles are now moving on their own towards Los Angeles while Palm Springs is turning into sand. All of these things have occurred within the last 30 years. I could go on and on but the bottom line is that man has interfered with the climate in California and its a fact. I seriously doubt that CA is the only place on the planet that has taken the steps to mess things up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 06/19/21 6:14:28 PM #41:	If global warming is real, then wHy ArE tHeRe sTiLL mOnkEys --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:955213614] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>If global warming is real, then wHy ArE tHeRe sTiLL mOnkEys </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 06/19/21 10:03:33 PM #42:	Ill believe in global warming when it stops being freezing cold in the winter with several-foot snow storms, thank you very much. ~~stop seething, Im~~ ~~kidding~~ --- Bah weep grannah weep ni ni bon <cite>rexcrk posted [p:955220242] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Ill believe in global warming when it stops being freezing cold in the winter with several-foot snow storms, thank you very much. stop seething, Im kidding </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 06/19/21 10:03:51 PM #43:	Metalsonic66 posted... If global warming is real, then wHy ArE tHeRe sTiLL mOnkEys cuz of macaque --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:955220249] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted... </cite> <quote>If global warming is real, then wHy ArE tHeRe sTiLL mOnkEys</quote> cuz of macaque </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 06/19/21 10:10:28 PM #45:	Lokarin posted... cuz of macaque before bed, i play with macaque, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:955220450] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>cuz of macaque</quote>before bed, i play with macaque, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 06/20/21 12:05:18 AM #46:	HornedLion posted... I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4 https://youtu.be/9yegdG8F8oM --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:955224138] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>I think people in this thread need to see this: https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4</quote>https://youtu.be/9yegdG8F8oM </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 06/20/21 6:52:15 PM #47:	HornedLion posted... LMAO! Did you just casually start watching and then end up watching the whole damn thing? Cause thats exactly what happened to me. Lol. I did! Was expecting it to go somewhere story wise but felt confused by the end. adjl posted... I've seen this argument so many times, and it never gets any less astoundingly stupid. Amen. Mead posted... If only there had been some warning that this would happen Ya. To bad no one warned us. /s bshwalker posted... Last year, a fire in Sequoia National park destroyed 10% of the Sequoias. These trees were thousands of years old. If the intensity of fires toady have been common all along, none of those trees wouldve been that old. It is true that fire is what allows the seeds to sprout. The fire that allows this to happen is a very low, cleansing, fire that burns dense undergrowth (more like a smoldering fire rather than flames) exposes the soil and keeps the trees spaced evenly. I have lived in California for almost my entire life and have regularly visited Sequoia and Yosemite national parks. The changes within those parks, that people like to claim happen on a regular basis, do not occur within one mans lifetime. Glaciers are gone, rivers and lakes are dried up, and large sections of trees are dying. The Joshua tree that used to be in my area by the thousands are gone and are beginning to grow further north in places that they have never grown before. Vegetation that used to only grow in the Palm Springs area and could not exist closer to Los Angeles are now moving on their own towards Los Angeles while Palm Springs is turning into sand. All of these things have occurred within the last 30 years. I could go on and on but the bottom line is that man has interfered with the climate in California and its a fact. I seriously doubt that CA is the only place on the planet that has taken the steps to mess things up. I know what you mean. Most of SoCal is rapidly changing from what us locals remember. Like Santa Clarita. The entire area is almost as hot as nearby desert towns these days. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:955248730] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>LMAO! Did you just casually start watching and then end up watching the whole damn thing? Cause thats exactly what happened to me. </quote>Lol. I did! Was expecting it to go somewhere story wise but felt confused by the end. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>I've seen this argument so many times, and it never gets any less astoundingly stupid.</quote>Amen. Mead posted... </cite> <quote>If only there had been some warning that this would happen</quote>Ya. To bad no one warned us. /s bshwalker posted... </cite> <quote>Last year, a fire in Sequoia National park destroyed 10% of the Sequoias. These trees were thousands of years old. If the intensity of fires toady have been common all along, none of those trees wouldve been that old. It is true that fire is what allows the seeds to sprout. The fire that allows this to happen is a very low, cleansing, fire that burns dense undergrowth (more like a smoldering fire rather than flames) exposes the soil and keeps the trees spaced evenly. I have lived in California for almost my entire life and have regularly visited Sequoia and Yosemite national parks. The changes within those parks, that people like to claim happen on a regular basis, do not occur within one mans lifetime. Glaciers are gone, rivers and lakes are dried up, and large sections of trees are dying. The Joshua tree that used to be in my area by the thousands are gone and are beginning to grow further north in places that they have never grown before. Vegetation that used to only grow in the Palm Springs area and could not exist closer to Los Angeles are now moving on their own towards Los Angeles while Palm Springs is turning into sand. All of these things have occurred within the last 30 years. I could go on and on but the bottom line is that man has interfered with the climate in California and its a fact. I seriously doubt that CA is the only place on the planet that has taken the steps to mess things up.</quote>I know what you mean. Most of SoCal is rapidly changing from what us locals remember. Like Santa Clarita. The entire area is almost as hot as nearby desert towns these days. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 06/20/21 7:29:58 PM #48:	It's cool and breezy and rainy today :D --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:955249942] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>It's cool and breezy and rainy today :D </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 06/20/21 8:35:37 PM #49:	When I took the dog for a walk this morning it was only 78 F, but it was also 99% relative humidity. Ugh! --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:955251919] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>When I took the dog for a walk this morning it was only 78 F, but it was also 99% relative humidity. Ugh! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 06/22/21 4:47:57 AM #50:	papercup posted... It's cool and breezy and rainy today :D Lucky. Its a swampy hell here. captpackrat posted... When I took the dog for a walk this morning it was only 78 F, but it was also 99% relative humidity. Ugh! Eww gross. Humidity is one of the worst factors. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:955299849] in 'This is r... [t:79520862]...</cite> <quote>papercup posted... </cite> <quote>It's cool and breezy and rainy today :D</quote>Lucky. Its a swampy hell here. captpackrat posted... </cite> <quote>When I took the dog for a walk this morning it was only 78 F, but it was also 99% relative humidity. Ugh!</quote>Eww gross. Humidity is one of the worst factors. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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