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TheVipaGTS 06/19/21 12:17:54 PM #52:	lordofmud posted... As a business owner you can choose whom they want to serve. The market sorts out this kind of thing. but there are protected classes such as race. The LGBT community is a protected class. You cant refuse service to someone and say its because youre black. Or my religion doesnt allow me to serve black people. This is no different. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:955203882] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>lordofmud posted... </cite> <quote>As a business owner you can choose whom they want to serve. The market sorts out this kind of thing.</quote>but there are protected classes such as race. The LGBT community is a protected class. You cant refuse service to someone and say its because youre black. Or my religion doesnt allow me to serve black people. This is no different. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Don 06/19/21 12:18:22 PM #53:	lordofmud posted... As a business owner you can choose whom they want to serve. The market sorts out this kind of thing. Ah yes I too remember that time the free market solved discrimination before the civil rights movement! --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow Don posted [p:955203899] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>lordofmud posted... </cite> <quote>As a business owner you can choose whom they want to serve. The market sorts out this kind of thing.</quote> Ah yes I too remember that time the free market solved discrimination before the civil rights movement! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VTBM 06/19/21 12:18:59 PM #54:	Their business, their policies. --- https://imgur.com/e7sCCSb <cite>VTBM posted [p:955203916] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Their business, their policies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/19/21 12:21:20 PM #55:	VTBM posted... Their business, their policies. Except when it comes to protected classes. Which is why they were fined. Why do we have this conversation every time this happens. Whats so difficult to understand about this for the conservatives here? It seems pretty straight forward. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:955203978] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>VTBM posted... </cite> <quote>Their business, their policies.</quote>Except when it comes to protected classes. Which is why they were fined. Why do we have this conversation every time this happens. Whats so difficult to understand about this for the conservatives here? It seems pretty straight forward. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Target 06/19/21 12:22:36 PM #56:	This baker probably spends more time dealing with lawyers than baking. --- https://imgur.com/JXxiPHm https://imgur.com/JXxiPHm <cite>Blue_Target posted [p:955204022] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>This baker probably spends more time dealing with lawyers than baking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 06/19/21 12:26:08 PM #57:	TheVipaGTS posted... Except when it comes to protected classes. Which is why they were fined. Why do we have this conversation every time this happens. Whats so difficult to understand about this for the conservatives here? It seems pretty straight forward. It's not obvious if you don't consider gay or trans a protected class, the logic most likely being "those are lifestyle choices". --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:955204102] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Except when it comes to protected classes. Which is why they were fined. Why do we have this conversation every time this happens. Whats so difficult to understand about this for the conservatives here? It seems pretty straight forward.</quote>It's not obvious if you don't consider gay or trans a protected class, the logic most likely being "those are lifestyle choices". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 06/19/21 12:29:30 PM #58:	MutantJohn posted... It's not obvious if you don't consider gay or trans a protected class Which the SCOTUS does, hence Bostock v Clayton County. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:955204173] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted... </cite> <quote>It's not obvious if you don't consider gay or trans a protected class</quote>Which the SCOTUS does, hence Bostock v Clayton County. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 06/19/21 1:24:00 PM #59:	Never understood this. My grandfather was very racist and homophobic, he ran a business. His advice to me:. "Your personal feelings don't matter on the job. Everyone's money spends exactly the same, doesn't matter where it's from or who has it.". He actually abided that. Off work he would bitch and complain but at work he was probably the nicest guy you could run in to regardless of who you were. Maybe growing up incredibly poor changes your opinion on how a business should be run. He put everything into getting repeat business. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:955205698] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Never understood this. My grandfather was very racist and homophobic, he ran a business. His advice to me:. "Your personal feelings don't matter on the job. Everyone's money spends exactly the same, doesn't matter where it's from or who has it.". He actually abided that. Off work he would bitch and complain but at work he was probably the nicest guy you could run in to regardless of who you were. Maybe growing up incredibly poor changes your opinion on how a business should be run. He put everything into getting repeat business. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueBoy675 06/19/21 1:24:02 PM #60:	MutantJohn posted... It's not obvious if you don't consider gay or trans a protected class, the logic most likely being "those are lifestyle choices". Good thing the government already ruled on that, huh? --- Hope rides alone <cite>BlueBoy675 posted [p:955205702] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted... </cite> <quote>It's not obvious if you don't consider gay or trans a protected class, the logic most likely being "those are lifestyle choices".</quote>Good thing the government already ruled on that, huh? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 06/19/21 1:29:50 PM #61:	This guy won his case where he is allowed to not sell takes for gay weddings. Wish he lost that one too. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:955205877] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>This guy won his case where he is allowed to not sell takes for gay weddings. Wish he lost that one too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kage_53 06/19/21 1:32:49 PM #62:	Why do lgbt people even go to that specific baker ? <cite>kage_53 posted [p:955205944] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Why do lgbt people even go to that specific baker ? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 06/19/21 1:34:47 PM #63:	kage_53 posted... Why do lgbt people even go to that specific baker ? Often they have no choice. Bakeries that do custom work like that are rare. And same with the quality as a grocery store may not be the quality they want. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:955206000] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>kage_53 posted... </cite> <quote>Why do lgbt people even go to that specific baker ?</quote>Often they have no choice. Bakeries that do custom work like that are rare. And same with the quality as a grocery store may not be the quality they want. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 06/19/21 1:36:13 PM #64:	Flauros posted... why doesnt he just make it and just do a really shit job? This exactly. Still gets the money and makes his stand by doing what he wants --- CE's resident Smash Player \|\| https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:955206039] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Flauros posted... </cite> <quote>why doesnt he just make it and just do a really shit job?</quote>This exactly. Still gets the money and makes his stand by doing what he wants </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 06/19/21 1:37:59 PM #65:	i seriously dont get why someone would deny baking a cake just cause the client in question is gay, trans or whatever. the way i see it, money is money... as a baker, that's what matters at the end of the day. lol <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:955206076] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>i seriously dont get why someone would deny baking a cake just cause the client in question is gay, trans or whatever. the way i see it, money is money... as a baker, that's what matters at the end of the day. lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 06/19/21 1:39:00 PM #66:	Who gives a shit --- Common sense baked a funk cookie - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:955206103] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Who gives a shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 06/19/21 1:41:50 PM #67:	ZevLoveDOOM posted... i seriously dont get why someone would deny baking a cake just cause the client in question is gay, trans or whatever. the way i see it, money is money... as a baker, that's what matters at the end of the day. lol What matters in the end of the day is having your soul, creed, and peace intact. Money is important, yes, but that shit is only material. --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:955206185] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>ZevLoveDOOM posted... </cite> <quote>i seriously dont get why someone would deny baking a cake just cause the client in question is gay, trans or whatever. the way i see it, money is money... as a baker, that's what matters at the end of the day. lol</quote> What matters in the end of the day is having your soul, creed, and peace intact. Money is important, yes, but that shit is only material. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 06/19/21 1:42:52 PM #68:	creativerealms posted... Often they have no choice. Bakeries that do custom work like that are rare. And same with the quality as a grocery store may not be the quality they want. There's flat out a baker across the street. This person is going to this baker for attention. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:955206219] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>creativerealms posted... </cite> <quote>Often they have no choice. Bakeries that do custom work like that are rare. And same with the quality as a grocery store may not be the quality they want.</quote> There's flat out a baker across the street. This person is going to this baker for attention. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 06/19/21 1:44:05 PM #69:	Vicious_Dios posted... What matters in the end of the day is having your soul, creed, and peace intact. Money is important, yes, but that shit is only material. well sure, money isnt the only thing that matters in life but when you got to pay for bills, food, clothing and other stuff, its kind of a big deal... <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:955206245] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Vicious_Dios posted... </cite> <quote>What matters in the end of the day is having your soul, creed, and peace intact. Money is important, yes, but that shit is only material.</quote> well sure, money isnt the only thing that matters in life but when you got to pay for bills, food, clothing and other stuff, its kind of a big deal... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 06/19/21 1:48:12 PM #70:	How the hell does a cake shop stay afloat anyways? --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:955206349] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>How the hell does a cake shop stay afloat anyways? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/19/21 1:49:23 PM #71:	kage_53 posted... Why do lgbt people even go to that specific baker ? The point is they shouldnt be doing this. At all. Apply that logic to the civil rights movement. If they wont serve black people why even go there? Just go somewhere elseno. At some point you need to pick a battle and fight it. We cant handwave bigotry anymore. Dont stand for it. Fight against it. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:955206381] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>kage_53 posted... </cite> <quote>Why do lgbt people even go to that specific baker ?</quote>The point is they shouldnt be doing this. At all. Apply that logic to the civil rights movement. If they wont serve black people why even go there? Just go somewhere elseno. At some point you need to pick a battle and fight it. We cant handwave bigotry anymore. Dont stand for it. Fight against it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 06/19/21 1:54:32 PM #72:	Strip them of their protections. If you have the right to discriminate based on your religion I should be able to refuse to serve you based on your religion Christians Privilege is real. --- Devil's Advocate <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:955206524] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Strip them of their protections. If you have the right to discriminate based on your religion I should be able to refuse to serve you based on your religion Christians Privilege is real. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/19/21 1:56:42 PM #73:	TheVipaGTS posted... The point is they shouldnt be doing this. At all. Apply that logic to the civil rights movement. If they wont serve black people why even go there? Just go somewhere elseno. At some point you need to pick a battle and fight it. We cant handwave bigotry anymore. Dont stand for it. Fight against it. Fight all you want, Mr. Consistency. He's just going to win again because he's not refusing to do service with transgender or homosexual people, he's not taking a custom cake order. The protected classes are more than welcome to buy a generic Happy Birthday Tim (Tina) cake from his cake shop. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:955206588] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>The point is they shouldnt be doing this. At all. Apply that logic to the civil rights movement. If they wont serve black people why even go there? Just go somewhere elseno. At some point you need to pick a battle and fight it. We cant handwave bigotry anymore. Dont stand for it. Fight against it.</quote>Fight all you want, Mr. Consistency. He's just going to win again because he's not refusing to do service with transgender or homosexual people, he's not taking a custom cake order. The protected classes are more than welcome to buy a generic Happy Birthday Tim (Tina) cake from his cake shop. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 06/19/21 2:05:38 PM #74:	Squall28 posted... There's flat out a baker across the street. This person is going to this baker for attention. I didn't know that. So they went into the bakery knowing they would be turned away? How could they know that? Unless the owner of said bakery advertises that fact, which to me would be the bakery wanting attention. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:955206805] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>There's flat out a baker across the street. This person is going to this baker for attention.</quote>I didn't know that. So they went into the bakery knowing they would be turned away? How could they know that? Unless the owner of said bakery advertises that fact, which to me would be the bakery wanting attention. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/19/21 2:06:35 PM #75:	creativerealms posted... I didn't know that. So they person went into the bakery knowing they would be turned away? How could they know that? Unless the owner of said bakery advertises that fact, which to me would be the bakery wanting attention. Could it be the famous lawsuit filed against this same baker? --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:955206824] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>creativerealms posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't know that. So they person went into the bakery knowing they would be turned away? How could they know that? Unless the owner of said bakery advertises that fact, which to me would be the bakery wanting attention.</quote>Could it be the famous lawsuit filed against this same baker? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 06/19/21 2:07:13 PM #76:	I demand to be able to refuse service to Christians. As long as they get to do it I should be able to do it to them. No Christians Allowed. Please go get your Pizza elsewhere as this is a privately owned Pizzeria. I find your beliefs abhorrent and refuse to serve you. --- Devil's Advocate <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:955206839] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>I demand to be able to refuse service to Christians. As long as they get to do it I should be able to do it to them. No Christians Allowed. Please go get your Pizza elsewhere as this is a privately owned Pizzeria. I find your beliefs abhorrent and refuse to serve you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 06/19/21 2:10:04 PM #77:	SSJPurple posted... I demand to be able to refuse service to Christians. As long as they get to do it I should be able to do it to them. No Christians Allowed. Please go get your Pizza elsewhere as this is a privately owned Pizzeria. I find your beliefs abhorrent and refuse to serve you. That's fair. Then I'll take my business elsewhere. There. See how fucking easy that was? Everybody wins. --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:955206905] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>SSJPurple posted... </cite> <quote>I demand to be able to refuse service to Christians. As long as they get to do it I should be able to do it to them. No Christians Allowed. Please go get your Pizza elsewhere as this is a privately owned Pizzeria. I find your beliefs abhorrent and refuse to serve you.</quote> That's fair. Then I'll take my business elsewhere. There. See how fucking easy that was? Everybody wins. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/19/21 2:11:29 PM #78:	Vicious_Dios posted... That's fair. Then I'll take my business elsewhere. There. She how fucking easy that was? Everybody wins. It's not even what the cake shop guy is being sued for. The anti-Christian pizzeria would have to be sued for refusing to make a custom pro-Christ pizza, while still serving Christians the same normal pizzas everyone can buy. Which is absurd. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:955206938] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Vicious_Dios posted... </cite> <quote>That's fair. Then I'll take my business elsewhere. There. She how fucking easy that was? Everybody wins.</quote>It's not even what the cake shop guy is being sued for. The anti-Christian pizzeria would have to be sued for refusing to make a custom pro-Christ pizza, while still serving Christians the same normal pizzas everyone can buy. Which is absurd. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 06/19/21 2:12:23 PM #79:	Vicious_Dios posted... That's fair. Then I'll take my business elsewhere. There. She how fucking easy that was? Everybody wins. Difference being im not allowed to do that legally, while they are. See the problem? One group gets to discriminate while simultaneously being legally protected from it themselves. --- Devil's Advocate <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:955206963] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Vicious_Dios posted... </cite> <quote>That's fair. Then I'll take my business elsewhere. There. She how fucking easy that was? Everybody wins.</quote> Difference being im not allowed to do that legally, while they are. See the problem? One group gets to discriminate while simultaneously being legally protected from it themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Don 06/19/21 2:17:53 PM #80:	Vicious_Dios posted... That's fair. Then I'll take my business elsewhere. There. See how fucking easy that was? Everybody wins. No lmfao. First off, the idea that Christians wouldn't be shrieking to the heavens if this were to happen is hysterically dumb. We are talking about the same group of people who collectively had a mental breakdown over the publisher of Dr. Seuss making a business decision. Secondly, if we took this to its final conclusion where anyone could discriminate against anyone for religious reasons or whatever, it wouldn't be that Christians and LGBT+ people suffer equally or are equally prosperous, and the free market wouldn't fix anything. The society that we would be living in is the one we had pre civil rights. Basically LGBT+ are shunned and terrorized out of existence and evangelical Christians rule over our society. There is literally historical precedent for this. Your dumb libertarian utopia would never exist. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow Don posted [p:955207107] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Vicious_Dios posted... </cite> <quote>That's fair. Then I'll take my business elsewhere. There. See how fucking easy that was? Everybody wins.</quote> No lmfao. First off, the idea that Christians wouldn't be shrieking to the heavens if this were to happen is hysterically dumb. We are talking about the same group of people who collectively had a mental breakdown over the publisher of Dr. Seuss making a business decision. Secondly, if we took this to its final conclusion where anyone could discriminate against anyone for religious reasons or whatever, it wouldn't be that Christians and LGBT+ people suffer equally or are equally prosperous, and the free market wouldn't fix anything. The society that we would be living in is the one we had pre civil rights. Basically LGBT+ are shunned and terrorized out of existence and evangelical Christians rule over our society. There is literally historical precedent for this. Your dumb libertarian utopia would never exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 06/19/21 2:19:34 PM #81:	Yeah, I don't buy it. If I wanted a cake tailor made exactly how I want it, I'm not going to go to Rainbow Lucifer's Pastries to get me a Pro-Christ cake. They have their certain clientele, and me as a fucking gentleman, I'll screw off. Even if they agreed to make it, they're not going to do it out of good faith and might even spit in the batter. Why risk it? I don't need that shit. Instead, I'll, and get this, go somewhere else where I'm not only tolerated, but celebrated. --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:955207157] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I don't buy it. If I wanted a cake tailor made exactly how I want it, I'm not going to go to Rainbow Lucifer's Pastries to get me a Pro-Christ cake. They have their certain clientele, and me as a fucking gentleman, I'll screw off. Even if they agreed to make it, they're not going to do it out of good faith and might even spit in the batter. Why risk it? I don't need that shit. Instead, I'll, and get this, go somewhere else where I'm not only tolerated, but celebrated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/19/21 2:25:25 PM #82:	ThePrinceFish posted... Fight all you want, Mr. Consistency. He's just going to win again because he's not refusing to do service with transgender or homosexual people, he's not taking a custom cake order. The protected classes are more than welcome to buy a generic Happy Birthday Tim (Tina) cake from his cake shop. Has he done custom cakes in the past? Thats a nice way to get around we dont serve Asian people. But keep letting them play this game. Keep hand waving bigotry. Go you! --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:955207317] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>Fight all you want, Mr. Consistency. He's just going to win again because he's not refusing to do service with transgender or homosexual people, he's not taking a custom cake order. The protected classes are more than welcome to buy a generic Happy Birthday Tim (Tina) cake from his cake shop.</quote>Has he done custom cakes in the past? Thats a nice way to get around we dont serve Asian people. But keep letting them play this game. Keep hand waving bigotry. Go you! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Don 06/19/21 2:28:23 PM #83:	Vicious_Dios posted... Yeah, I don't buy it. If I wanted a cake tailor made exsctly how I want it, I'm not going to go to Rainbow Lucifer's Pastries to get me a Pro-Christ cake. They have their certain clientele, and me as a fucking gentleman, I'll screw off. Even if they agreed to make it, they're not going to do it out of good faith and might even spit in the batter. Why risk it? I don't need that shit. Instead, I'll, and get this, go somewhere else where I'm not only tolerated, but celebrated. The difference here is that there is absolutely no risk for this country to transform into one wherein you need to hide your Christianity just to survive. On the other hand we only just recently transformed into a society where LGBT+ no longer need to hide their identity for their wellbeing and survival. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow Don posted [p:955207389] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Vicious_Dios posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, I don't buy it. If I wanted a cake tailor made exsctly how I want it, I'm not going to go to Rainbow Lucifer's Pastries to get me a Pro-Christ cake. They have their certain clientele, and me as a fucking gentleman, I'll screw off. Even if they agreed to make it, they're not going to do it out of good faith and might even spit in the batter. Why risk it? I don't need that shit. Instead, I'll, and get this, go somewhere else where I'm not only tolerated, but celebrated. </quote> The difference here is that there is absolutely no risk for this country to transform into one wherein you need to hide your Christianity just to survive. On the other hand we only just recently transformed into a society where LGBT+ no longer need to hide their identity for their wellbeing and survival. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/19/21 2:28:38 PM #84:	TheVipaGTS posted... Has he done custom cakes in the past? Thats a nice way to get around we dont serve Asian people. But keep letting them play this game. Keep hand waving bigotry. Go you! It's a shame the Supreme Court didn't have you around to point out the bigotry when they declared that Colorado was targeting this guy for his religious beliefs. Whatever it takes to make you feel smug and righteous. Enjoy another failed cash grab in the name of "progress". --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:955207397] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Has he done custom cakes in the past? Thats a nice way to get around we dont serve Asian people. But keep letting them play this game. Keep hand waving bigotry. Go you!</quote>It's a shame the Supreme Court didn't have you around to point out the bigotry when they declared that Colorado was targeting this guy for his religious beliefs. Whatever it takes to make you feel smug and righteous. Enjoy another failed cash grab in the name of "progress". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/19/21 2:29:14 PM #85:	Shadow Don posted... The difference here is that there is absolutely no risk for this country to transform into one wherein you need to hide your Christianity just to survive. On the other hand we only just recently transformed into a society where LGBT+ no longer need to hide their identity for their wellbeing and survival. Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service? --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:955207410] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted... </cite> <quote>The difference here is that there is absolutely no risk for this country to transform into one wherein you need to hide your Christianity just to survive. On the other hand we only just recently transformed into a society where LGBT+ no longer need to hide their identity for their wellbeing and survival.</quote>Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/19/21 2:29:59 PM #86:	ThePrinceFish posted... It's a shame the Supreme Court didn't have you around to point out the bigotry when they declared that Colorado was targeting this guy for his religious beliefs. Whatever it takes to make you feel smug and righteous. Enjoy another failed cash grab in the name of "progress". Point is, Im not an idiot. He can use whatever excuse he wants to get by the law. You and i both know it isnt perfect so stop pretending it is. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:955207423] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>It's a shame the Supreme Court didn't have you around to point out the bigotry when they declared that Colorado was targeting this guy for his religious beliefs. Whatever it takes to make you feel smug and righteous. Enjoy another failed cash grab in the name of "progress".</quote>Point is, Im not an idiot. He can use whatever excuse he wants to get by the law. You and i both know it isnt perfect so stop pretending it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 06/19/21 2:30:17 PM #87:	TheVipaGTS posted... Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service? reread post --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:955207430] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service?</quote> reread post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/19/21 2:30:36 PM #88:	TheVipaGTS posted... Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service? reading sure is hard when you're high on your own righteous fumes --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:955207441] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service?</quote>reading sure is hard when you're high on your own righteous fumes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/19/21 2:30:44 PM #89:	Shablagoo posted... reread post Oh my bad. I did read that wrong. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:955207446] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>reread post</quote>Oh my bad. I did read that wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 06/19/21 2:31:49 PM #90:	TheVipaGTS posted... Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service? Thats the point they dont. They are legally protected from being denied service while they can turn around and deny service to whoever they want. --- Devil's Advocate <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:955207476] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service?</quote> Thats the point they dont. They are legally protected from being denied service while they can turn around and deny service to whoever they want. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sheiky-Baby 06/19/21 2:32:53 PM #91:	Seems like an easy way to get paid. Goto that particular bake shop, ask them to make a cake about something they are clearly against, see them refuse, sue/take them to court. --- Don't you dare die on me, or else I will never speak with you again! <cite>Sheiky-Baby posted [p:955207506] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Seems like an easy way to get paid. Goto that particular bake shop, ask them to make a cake about something they are clearly against, see them refuse, sue/take them to court. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Don 06/19/21 2:32:54 PM #92:	TheVipaGTS posted... Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service? You read that wrong. His argument is that if we allow businesses to deny service to anyone then all is fair. What I'm saying is if this were the case then Christians would not experience the same threat or rejection from American society that LGBT+ and other marginalized groups would face. TheVipaGTS posted... Oh my bad. I did read that wrong. no worries --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow Don posted [p:955207507] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Christians have to hide their identity? Where are Christians being denied service?</quote> You read that wrong. His argument is that if we allow businesses to deny service to anyone then all is fair. What I'm saying is if this were the case then Christians would not experience the same threat or rejection from American society that LGBT+ and other marginalized groups would face. TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Oh my bad. I did read that wrong.</quote> no worries </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 06/19/21 2:36:14 PM #93:	Every transgender person in the state should go to this cake shop now. He'll either make money or lose money, his choice --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:955207584] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Every transgender person in the state should go to this cake shop now. He'll either make money or lose money, his choice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 06/19/21 2:58:06 PM #94:	Why does CE always feed the alt-right trolls --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:955208163] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Why does CE always feed the alt-right trolls </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silvergokuZ 06/19/21 3:24:45 PM #95:	It's a complicated issue, put it this way growing up I was a shy nerdy guy (and found out in adulthood I have mild autism) I was refused service for certain places for seeming strange. As annoyed as I got, in some ways its their own choice, they should be able to turn away whom they don't feel comfortable with. On the other hand they discriminated. But we get to a point where anything can be discrimination or percieved to be. --- The red car and the blue car had a race. Good old blue he took the milky way. <cite>silvergokuZ posted [p:955208909] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>It's a complicated issue, put it this way growing up I was a shy nerdy guy (and found out in adulthood I have mild autism) I was refused service for certain places for seeming strange. As annoyed as I got, in some ways its their own choice, they should be able to turn away whom they don't feel comfortable with. On the other hand they discriminated. But we get to a point where anything can be discrimination or percieved to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/19/21 3:31:01 PM #96:	Honestly, I question any LGBT person who doesn't research their baker before asking for a cake to be made. I think discriminating based on LGBT status in relation to cake making is stupid, but so is LGBT people fishing for a lawsuit. Like as stupid as it is to not bake a cake for the purpose of being discriminatory it's also pathetic seeing people clutch their pearls over someone not making a cake for an LGBT person. This is all just really petty stuff. I don't give a flying crap about an LGBT person having trouble finding someone to make them a cake. I care about suicide rates in LGBT youth. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:955209125] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I question any LGBT person who doesn't research their baker before asking for a cake to be made. I think discriminating based on LGBT status in relation to cake making is stupid, but so is LGBT people fishing for a lawsuit. Like as stupid as it is to not bake a cake for the purpose of being discriminatory it's also pathetic seeing people clutch their pearls over someone not making a cake for an LGBT person. This is all just really petty stuff. I don't give a flying crap about an LGBT person having trouble finding someone to make them a cake. I care about suicide rates in LGBT youth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Payzmaykr 06/19/21 3:33:09 PM #97:	The Bible teaches us to not cast judgement and treat everyone how we would want to be treated. Judgement is Gods department, not ours. Churches are where man reinterprets Gods words and oftentimes politicizes them. <cite>Payzmaykr posted [p:955209205] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>The Bible teaches us to not cast judgement and treat everyone how we would want to be treated. Judgement is Gods department, not ours. Churches are where man reinterprets Gods words and oftentimes politicizes them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CobraGT 06/19/21 6:10:46 PM #98:	skermac posted... If i was a business owner I wouldnt turn away anyone, why lose a sale? One would think but some people are control freaks. --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 <cite>CobraGT posted [p:955213518] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>skermac posted... </cite> <quote>If i was a business owner I wouldnt turn away anyone, why lose a sale?</quote> One would think but some people are control freaks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 06/19/21 7:11:41 PM #99:	Shadow Don posted... two reasons 1) These people hate LGBT+ people so passionately that business comes second. Lots of them would straight up burn the country to the fucking ground before we have a gay president 2) Unfortunately this type of behavior can be profitable these days. If this thing becomes another major scandal all this baker has to do is open a gofundme and he gets six figures easily. i will sell to anyone to make a profit, poor business decision turning a customer away for any reason --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:955215308] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>Shadow Don posted... </cite> <quote>two reasons 1) These people hate LGBT+ people so passionately that business comes second. Lots of them would straight up burn the country to the fucking ground before we have a gay president 2) Unfortunately this type of behavior can be profitable these days. If this thing becomes another major scandal all this baker has to do is open a gofundme and he gets six figures easily.</quote> i will sell to anyone to make a profit, poor business decision turning a customer away for any reason </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 06/19/21 7:13:43 PM #100:	TommyG663513 posted... Like as stupid as it is to not bake a cake for the purpose of being discriminatory it's also pathetic seeing people clutch their pearls over someone not making a cake for an LGBT person. This is all just really petty stuff. I don't give a flying crap about an LGBT person having trouble finding someone to make them a cake. I care about suicide rates in LGBT youth. It's amazing that you can be standing right on top of something so blindingly obvious and still not see it. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:955215369] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Like as stupid as it is to not bake a cake for the purpose of being discriminatory it's also pathetic seeing people clutch their pearls over someone not making a cake for an LGBT person. This is all just really petty stuff. I don't give a flying crap about an LGBT person having trouble finding someone to make them a cake. I care about suicide rates in LGBT youth.</quote>It's amazing that you can be standing right on top of something so blindingly obvious and still not see it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 06/19/21 7:47:37 PM #101:	creativerealms posted... This guy won his case where he is allowed to not sell takes for gay weddings. He didn't win shit. The SCOTUS just said that lower courts were mean to him and left it at that. The question of whether a business can refuse service to queer people remains unanswered. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:955216419] in CO Baker r... [t:79522372]...</cite> <quote>creativerealms posted... </cite> <quote>This guy won his case where he is allowed to not sell takes for gay weddings.</quote>He didn't win shit. The SCOTUS just said that lower courts were mean to him and left it at that. The question of whether a business can refuse service to queer people remains unanswered. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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