Current Events > A link from NPR and Vanity Fair that might get me moderated on GameFaqs

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https://www.npr.org/2021/06/17/1007539626/did-covid-19-leak-from-a-lab-a-reporter-investigates-and-finds-roadblocks

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

That's all I'm posting, 2 links from very well respected sources, let's see if the censorship dystopia we live in takes it down.

Btw, @COVxy you said you wanted evidence. There you go.

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the links won't get you taken down. You being a weird asshole will get you moderated

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Drpooplol posted...

the links won't get you taken down. You being a weird asshole will get you moderated

Your lips to Allen's ears.

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NPR is a very well respected source now?

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another topic where joe can fake being the intellectual in
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From the Vanity Fair article:
A months long Vanity Fair investigation, interviews with more than 40 people, and a review of hundreds of pages of U.S. government documents, including internal memos, meeting minutes, and email correspondence, found that conflicts of interest, stemming in part from large government grants supporting controversial virology research, hampered the U.S. investigation into COVID-19s origin at every step. In one State Department meeting, officials seeking to demand transparency from the Chinese government say they were explicitly told by colleagues not to explore the Wuhan Institute of Virologys gain-of-function research, because it would bring unwelcome attention to U.S. government funding of it.

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thronedfire2 posted...

NPR is a very well respected source now?

It isn't? They are like the CNN of radio

Lmfao tag

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So where is the evidence that sars-cov-2 is the product of bioengineering?

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COVxy posted...

So where is the evidence that sars-cov-2 is the product of bioengineering?

The State Department investigators pushed on, determined to go public with their concerns. They continued a weeks-long effort to declassify information that had been vetted by the intelligence community. On January 15, five days before President Joe Bidens swearing in, the State Department released a fact sheet about activity at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, disclosing key information: that several researchers there had fallen ill with COVID-19-like symptoms in autumn 2019, before the first identified outbreak case; and that researchers there had collaborated on secret projects with Chinas military and engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

(You presumably are capable of reading the article yourself, btw)

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That is not evidence that sars-cov-2 was bioengineered.

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joe it is sad you just decided to go full qanon with the 'covid is a bioweapon despite no evidence to that point' and being full antivaxx

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COVxy posted...

That is not evidence that sars-cov-2 was bioengineered.

From the Vanity Fair article:
A months long Vanity Fair investigation, interviews with more than 40 people, and a review of hundreds of pages of U.S. government documents, including internal memos, meeting minutes, and email correspondence, found that conflicts of interest, stemming in part from large government grants supporting controversial virology research, hampered the U.S. investigation into COVID-19s origin at every step. In one State Department meeting, officials seeking to demand transparency from the Chinese government say they were explicitly told by colleagues not to explore the Wuhan Institute of Virologys gain-of-function research, because it would bring unwelcome attention to U.S. government funding of it.

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joe40001 posted...

The State Department investigators pushed on, determined to go public with their concerns. They continued a weeks-long effort to declassify information that had been vetted by the intelligence community. On January 15, five days before President Joe Bidens swearing in, the State Department released a fact sheet about activity at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, disclosing key information: that several researchers there had fallen ill with COVID-19-like symptoms in autumn 2019, before the first identified outbreak case; and that researchers there had collaborated on secret projects with Chinas military and engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

(You presumably are capable of reading the article yourself, btw)

all that shows is you dont actually know the definition of evidence...

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That is also not evidence that sars-cov-2 was bioengineered.

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andel posted...

joe it is sad you just decided to go full qanon with the 'covid is a bioweapon despite no evidence to that point' and being full antivaxx

I am not currently, nor have I ever suggested that it was a bioweapon.

What I have suggested is the same things being reported in the article.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

Please, just read it. I'm done curating it for lazy insulting people who can't be bothered to read but will still dismiss with the conviction of a thousand angry Karens.

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COVxy posted...

That is also not evidence that sars-cov-2 was bioengineered.

The lab does gain of function research.
A months long Vanity Fair investigation, interviews with more than 40 people, and a review of hundreds of pages of U.S. government documents, including internal memos, meeting minutes, and email correspondence, found that conflicts of interest, stemming in part from large government grants supporting controversial virology research, hampered the U.S. investigation into COVID-19s origin at every step. In one State Department meeting, officials seeking to demand transparency from the Chinese government say they were explicitly told by colleagues not to explore the Wuhan Institute of Virologys gain-of-function research, because it would bring unwelcome attention to U.S. government funding of it.

People working at the lab showed COVID like symptoms in autumn 2019:

the State Department released a fact sheet about activity at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, disclosing key information: that several researchers there had fallen ill with COVID-19-like symptoms in autumn 2019

You yourself defined gain of function research as bioengineering. I never made that definition, you literally did. I don't even like that definition because it gives the wrong impression. But that's your definition so:

People presenting with COVID like symptoms in late autumn worked in a lab that did gain of function research.

Are you really trying to tell me that's not evidence that COVID could plausibly be the product of gain of function research?

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Since when is Vanity Fair considered a valid and unbiased source when it comes to anything political?

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I'm telling you that it is not indeed evidence that sars-cov-2 was the product of bioengineering.

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Maybe if joe keeps posting enough he'll be banned

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Maybe if joe keeps posting enough he'll be banned

It'd make my day, no doubt.

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COVxy posted...

I'm telling you that it is not indeed evidence that sars-cov-2 was the product of bioengineering.

I'm not saying the word "bioengineering" only you keep saying that word. I say gain of function research.

That you keep using the word "bioengineering" is just bad faith gaslighting and I'm done with it.

Read the damn article, I'm sure it has tons more data points. I'm not your nanny or tutor who has to mama bird you every bit of data because you are too lazy to read yourself.

One more bad faith asinine post from you and I'm really done even pretending you can be reasoned with.

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joe40001 posted...

I'm not saying the word "bioengineering" only you keep saying that word. I say gain of function research.

Yes, gain of function research is bioengineering...

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Researchers having COVID-19 like symptoms and the lab doing GoF research doesnt mean they were doing that research on COVID-19. Thats not the only kind of research they do at that lab.

This is why I call you a fake intellectual. You act like youre an expert because you did 10 minutes of research when youre not. DR tried to explain this to you Memorial Day weekend and you still refuse to understand.

This shit doesnt mean what you think it means.
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From NPR interview:

EBAN: Sure. So gain-of-function research is something that has divided the virology community for years. In 2011, a virologist named Ron Fauchier basically manipulated an avian flu pathogen and created what he declared was, you know, the most infectious virus that's ever been known. That kind of research is called gain of function, where you're essentially manipulating a pathogen to see if you can increase its transmissibility to humans. Well, why would you do that research? Supporters claim that essentially all of virology is doing gain-of-function research. Viruses gain functions and lose functions all the time - and that you want to do this kind of research to gauge the risks out there. And it also helps to accelerate vaccine production. But there are critics who say, why would you go and take a pathogen from the middle of nowhere, bring it back to a lab in a crowded urban area and try to make it more infectious, potentially running the risk of unleashing it into the human community? And as - one scientist likened it to looking for a gas leak with a lighted match.

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But the research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology was also conducted under much lower safety protocols, for example, a BSL-2 laboratory, which some people have likened to basically the controls of an American dentist's office. And the Wuhan Institute of Virology was working on live SARS-like viruses in BSL-2 labs.

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I document a meeting that took place in December of 2020, which I got contemporaneous documentation for, which shows that there were, again, State Department officials - a State Department official who said, you know, if you're going to dig into this gain-of-function research, you are, you know, opening a can of worms. And you should not be doing this.

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This debate culminated, actually, in a document that both sides agree is legitimate, which is a January 15, 2021 fact sheet that the State Department put out, which is based partly on classified information and partly on open source information, which says a number of - we have information that a number of researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology fell sick in the autumn of 2019 - so that's prior to the official outbreak of the pandemic - and that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was conducting classified military research.

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So as an example of that, this critical database that contains about 22,000 viral samples was taken offline several months before the official outbreak of the pandemic and has not been restored. That is the institute's inventory of all the samples that they had in their files, essentially. It's like the filing cabinet of virus sequences. So that is offline.
GROSS: Wait. So that would tell us whether the coronavirus that caused the pandemic was one of the viruses they were specifically working with?
EBAN: Right. Well, that would be one way to gauge it. You know, it's imperfect. But one of the questions is, is there a viral sequence in there that is a closer progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 than the other viral sequences that are known?

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Researchers having COVID-19 like symptoms and the lab doing GoF research doesnt mean they were doing that research on COVID-19. Thats not the only kind of research they do at that lab.

This is why I call you a fake intellectual. You act like youre an expert because you did 10 minutes of research when youre not. DR tried to explain this to you Memorial Day weekend and you still refuse to understand.

This shit doesnt mean what you think it means.

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The mods reviewed my dispute about deleting the old topic where the only claims I made were the ones that NPR just reported on and upheld their removal of the topic.

We truly live in a society...

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joe, just cut the shit lol.

Find a better more productive hobby, find a nice guy/gal, get away from this. You're obsessing. This is bad for you.

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