Current Events > Miami apartment building collapses

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Cheap building built by the lowest bidder? Very old building that was never maintained? Bad engineer who designed it poorly? Wtf happened?

I saw on Twitter that there may have been an underground garage in the part that collapsed, which could have flooded whenever there was a hurricane and just over time the structure weakened.

Add the roof equipment to that and boom goes the dynamite.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Cheap building built by the lowest bidder? Very old building that was never maintained? Bad engineer who designed it poorly? Wtf happened?

In virtually all scenarios this is absolutely the fault of the Builders or the Apartment management.

Either there was critical flaws in the structure or management was grotesquely negligent in upkeep.

I suppose there is some small chance of deliberate sabotage or some bizzare unforseeable natural/manmade thing that isnt the fault of them but its doubtful. Thus far seems to be absolutely no indications of any sort of explosives or unusually intense weather beforehand.

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I would be shocked if anyone survived at all.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Cheap building built by the lowest bidder? Very old building that was never maintained? Bad engineer who designed it poorly? Wtf happened?

Personally, I would guess the most likely scenario would be maintenance oversights. The building was finished in 1981, and some elements likely corroded (this could be for a number of reasons). I wouldn't be surprised if there were signs of distress detected in the structure somewhere prior to collapse (somebody mentions the parking garage which would be a great place to ignore).

There are more possibilities, but until the forensic investigation is done it's all speculation.

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Footage of the collapse.
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1408051917964595202

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Thompson posted...

Footage of the collapse.
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1408051917964595202

*Jaw drops*

Thompson posted...

Footage of the collapse.
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1408051917964595202

That is horrifying

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DepreceV2 posted...

That is horrifying

Holy fucking shit.

Guide posted...

I would be shocked if anyone survived at all

After seeing that footage, yeah, its bad

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DepreceV2 posted...

That is horrifying

What makes it even more horrific is that there were actual people inside the collapsing building.

Why I dont like the idea of crowded high rise housing

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Read in another article..

Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett warned that the death toll was likely to rise, saying the building manager told him the tower was quite full at the time of the collapse around 1:30 a.m.

Yeah, not good.

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Thompson posted...

Footage of the collapse.
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1408051917964595202

Jesus Christ...

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A friend of mine mentioned an early theory is that a water main may have ruptured near that foundation. That could undermine the structure very rapidly depending on the soil. Shifts in the foundation can cause extremely high stresses in a building.

Unfortunately it will probably be a while until we are presented with a credible explanation as to what happened. There are a lot of things to examine, and I'm not aware of many collapses of this scope.

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So a building inspector actually visited the place recently as well?

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Jabodie posted...

and I'm not aware of many collapses of this scope.

Controlled implosions.
Make a big hole in the bottom, and the rest of the structure just falls down.

Sinkhole is a very plausible scenario.

Thompson posted...

Footage of the collapse.
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1408051917964595202

I gotta wonder how people are able to get footage of disasters like this. Do they just have a spidey sense for this sort of thing?

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Controlled implosions.
Make a big hole in the bottom, and the rest of the structure just falls down.

Sinkhole is a very plausible scenario.

*unintentional collapses.

But now I'm curious about what the geology of the area is like. A couple years back a sinkhole opened up under a house or two here in Austin.

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mario2000 posted...

I gotta wonder how people are able to get footage of disasters like this. Do they just have a spidey sense for this sort of thing?

Looks like a security camera for the pool.
...or is that a tennis court?

Scorsese2002 posted...

https://twitter.com/ashainthecity/status/1407970865443225601?s=21
https://twitter.com/lulalacroix/status/1407970511838093316?s=21
https://twitter.com/centinelarld/status/1407968280439001091?s=21

wtf how can that guy be in two places at one time
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This is one of those types of deaths that actually keep me up at night sometimes. I'll lay there wondering what it'd be like if my apartment building collapsed and I was trapped under the rubble. It's nightmare stuff honestly.
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This whole situation sucks. Honestly I'd hope I was asleep and it was quick and painless. Being trapped and dying is a nightmare. Can't imagine what went through the minds of the people who woke up due to the noise/shaking from the first half collapsing just to have their half of building collapse seconds later. Scary shit

pikachupwnage posted...

The bodies are buried under rubble.

This was at 2AM or so IIRC. Absolutely no way the toll doesnt jump several fold minimum.

51 people not accounted for...so, I dont think its looking good. They may not be updating the deaths until they have the bodies.
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I don't know how common it would be in FL but if it was built in the 80's how likely are asbestos problems for responders/nearby people in general?

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MhkaCHemistry posted...

I don't know how common it would be in FL but if it was built in the 80's how likely are asbestos problems for responders/nearby people in general?

You'll have to look up the 1980s building codes in Miami since that was the cusp of when it started to get banned.

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I want to help clear the rubble and search for survivors

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I want to help clear the rubble and search for survivors

Wear a mask. Good luck.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I want to help clear the rubble and search for survivors

I imagine you won't be permitted to because they don't know how unstable the pile may be and you might be putting yourself in danger if it collapses further and traps you.

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theAteam posted...

I imagine you won't be permitted to because they don't know how unstable the pile may be and you might be putting yourself in danger if it collapses further and traps you.

He probably wouldn't be allowed on the pile itself but there's a lot of work to do. If he showed up offering to volunteer it's unlikely they would turn him away completely.

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Most likely a mass casualty event. It happened at night.

Do they have poor building codes down there or was just one of those sinkhole situations? because that thing straight collapse like a Third World country

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I want to help clear the rubble and search for survivors

Wear a mask

something better than a Covid one

What_ posted...

Do they have poor building codes down there or was just one of those sinkhole situations? because that thing straight collapse like a Third World country

sinkhole prone due to the soil composition.
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God damn......
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kingdrake2 posted...

sinkhole prone due to the soil composition.

Are the contractors too cheap to dig down to the bedrock?

Even then, I guess, if the bedrock under the bedrock dissolves, you're still fucked.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Are the contractors too cheap to dig down to the bedrock?

yes. and we're all too cheap in our own unique way.
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seriously tho is anyone going to explain how the guy in op's video was in two places at once???
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wow, the video of the building actually collapsing is genuinely nightmarish

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Cheap building built by the lowest bidder?

Typical "flat slab" construction is not very tolerant of localized failure.
A column gives out, and its load transfers to surrounding columns, while there's no longer anything but flat concrete and rebar supporting the columns above. If any of those other columns fail, the entire structure is likely to fall apart in a cascade of imploding columns.

CNN is saying 30+ people rescued... I wouldn't have expected anyone to survive that

They're also still hearing sounds

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30+ people survived? That's amazing. Hopefully their wounds aren't life threatening.

Heard on scanner of a possible fire breakout ATM


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metallica846 posted...

Contractors cut every corner they can to save money and still get the inspection passed. Way she goes. Make the penalty for this so severe that they dont even think about it.

Unfortunately the contractors who built this are probably dead now. Or very very old

Building apparently went up in 1981.

imagine waking up on that bunk bed

Just a clarification... CNN just said 35 people rescued from the building, but 2 rescued from the rubble

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fohstick posted...

imagine waking up on that bunk bed

I wonder if that gigantic vertical crack appeared after the collapse began.

fohstick posted...

imagine waking up on that bunk bed

ay man turn off the lights

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Surprised only 1 person died. That seems like the kinda thing that kills hundreds like what happened on 9/11 when that collapsed with people inside.

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MelbuFrahma4 posted...

Surprised only 1 person died. That seems like the kinda thing that kills hundreds like what happened on 9/11 when that collapsed with people inside.

so far that's the tally. there will probably be double digits deaths.

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Hold on... is that someone standing by the bunk bed?